2257 or .xxx which will it be?

[xxxjay]

2257 or .xxx which will it be?

Let me start by saying that I support neither 2257 or dot xxx.

The government wants to step and clean up the internet. On one hand, we have 2257 – a draconian records keeping regulation that is near impossible to comply with, with pop inspections by armed federal agents, and harsh sentences.

On the other hand we have dot xxx. I can totally see what is coming down the pike with this one. The government and ICANN can easily create a mandatory “virtual red light district” and say they’ve done something about porn. For too many years this industry has been sleeping saying “they can’t regulate the world” – well, maybe they can.

Now, assuming you have to deal with one or the other: heavy 2257 enforcement or dot xxx – which is it going to be?

A lot of people seem to think dot xxx is worse. I don’t agree. Sure, I can see the implications – even for my main source of income Jays XXX Links (which derives a shitload of traffic from search engines) is going to lose a ton of backlinks and it will cripple my traffic for the short term – it has a huge legion of bookmarkers and a name brand…it will survive. There is a great article by Gregory A. Piccionelli that gave me some of these ideas:

http://www.xbiz.com/article_piece.ph...ng=porn%20wars

Now, this only operates under the assumption that the government slows its roll on a full frontal 2257 assault and applies the law where it is really needed:

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9002

I don’t feel like the government has the money or the time for a full on 2257 assault. I will most likely use it as a backup when they are going after some extreme stuff that they really do want to nail on an obscenity charge. On top of that, I don’t feel 2257 has a ton of jury appeal and taking so many people to court is just not in their budget.

There are some on the far-far right that say dot xxx would legitimize porn or whatever – these people will never be satisfied till all adult entertainment has been eradicated. I know most people are too young to remember the 18th amendment, but it moved “demon alcohol” underground for 13 years. A “noble experiment” was a fabulous disaster.

What all of these people need to remember is that NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY – if the kids want to see hardcore porn – they will see hardcore porn. I snuck peeks at magazines when I was a kid, so did you, and so will this generation – it is part of growing up. I’m all for doing something that will keep it harder to keep kids off porn sites, but ultimately that is the responsibility of the parents.

The opposition needs to face facts…the genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back. If we need to throw them a bone so they can ease up on their moral crusade – what is it going to be dot xxx or 2257?

This should be interesting.

[guitar riff]

I'd go with the xxx but not getting gouged too would be nice

60 bux for a 8.95 domain damn LOL

[Wenchy]

IMHO, no matter what US webmasters do, we're f*cked. The government of this wonderful country of ours CANNOT police the world-wide web no matter how much they want to, a fact they seem reticent to accept.

Sure, they might be able to make life hell on earth for WMs in the States with 2257 and/or dot xxx, but it will have NO EFFECT on porn being published on the net in other countries. Effectively what will happen is that US webmasters, being forced to comply or risk an extended stay in a local "butt-slamming prison", will simply be run out of business. We are one country in a web of many and what happens within our borders will only open things up for those we've all been trying to keep out.

The bottom line is people want hardcore, which is why paysites sell memberships... BUT, there has been such an extensive proliferation of free hardcore for the past several years that surfers are spoiled by the free ride. Logic dictates that if they can't get it from us they'll find it elsewhere... it's really that simple.

Frankly I'm not in favor of either of the choices presented, Jay. This 2257 crap is a joke which I am confident will be struck down by the higher courts in the land, and I'm not at all interested in purchasing a buttload of new domains as I'm perfectly happy with the ones I have. I suppose if I absolutely had to choose one or the other I would have to go with the dot xxx, but I would want a lot more details first and some assurance that we would be free to pursue business as usual with little or no interference from Big Brother. Oh, and it would be nice if BB would let us in on his secret to controlling the rest of the planet too.

It'll be interesting to see what other opinions are...

[tickler]

Probably the .XXX if forced, but, I am in a different country anyways.
WWW does stand for World-Wide-Web.
Maybe they should make it XXX-US for a TLD.

About what's coming, some more reading:
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=228556

[Useless]

I was just thinking of putting a reservation on jays.xxx


I'm not worried about either. I have on my side. Well, I have him on my desk, more or less in front of me.

[Fido]

It sounds to me like you would ask me if I want to be shoot to the leg or to the hand.

[shima]

Screw that, I'm not in US, so I don't give a flying flip about 2257 or .xxx enforcement.

To all you Americans I can only suggest a company offshore.
(Hit me up if interested)

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by shima

Screw that, I'm not in US, so I don't give a flying flip about 2257 or .xxx enforcement.

To all you Americans I can only suggest a company offshore.
(Hit me up if interested)

Do me a favor - write to my congress-people for me. Let them know EXACTLY how you feel. Do that for each US state. I'll get you names and addresses.

I started this post as a joke, but now that I think of it...it might be amusing for our so-called representatives to hear exactly how much our overseas friends/competitors care about US laws...with lots and lots of letters...hmm...

Not that it would make a difference, but I like the idea of flooded mailboxes and confused politicians.

[Lemmy]

I don't have a ton of irreplaceable domains, so if forced I would naturally go with .xxxx

[GunnCat]

Originally Posted by Mishi

Do me a favor - write to my congress-people for me. Let them know EXACTLY how you feel. Do that for each US state. I'll get you names and addresses.

I started this post as a joke, but now that I think of it...it might be amusing for our so-called representatives to hear exactly how much our overseas friends/competitors care about US laws...with lots and lots of letters...hmm...

Not that it would make a difference, but I like the idea of flooded mailboxes and confused politicians.

As if congress gives a shit.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by shima

Screw that, I'm not in US, so I don't give a flying flip about 2257 or .xxx enforcement.

To all you Americans I can only suggest a company offshore.
(Hit me up if interested)

Probably the reason you see the numbers so skewed on the side of dot xxx is because dot xxx would even the playing field and foriegn webmasters would no longer be at such a huge competeitive advantage not having to worry about 2257 in the US.

[SirMoby]

It sepends really. If they give .com owners the ability to get the .xxx version then I don't mind .xxx so much. On the other hand .xxx could just be a way for squatters with an inside track to gain access to millions of adult domains.

If people don't want to see porn then I don't want them on my sites. I'm happy to keep it away from them. Many of them have serious perversions and find it too tempting to stay in a hotel room alone where they can get access to softcore simulated sex movies. I want it our of my emails, I don't want it in pop ups and I certainly don't want it on my speakers.

People will pay a premium to surf the adult Interent.

[Cleo]

I don't see it as being either or so I didn't vote.

I would like just a standardised tag that I could put on all my pages.

[RawAlex]

Jay, it isn't a choice. There is a a decent chance that we get both... so why choose?

2257 is a paperwork nightmare of a law, never passed by the house, senate, or signed by the president. Little bureaucrats re-writing laws without the real power to do so. It's a laugh a minute.

.xxx is like setting up a porn slum and rounding us all up. While I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is some sort of concentration camp, I will say that it will make it VERY easy for ISPs, browser manufactures, etc to block us out.

More importantly, it would make it possible for bandwidth providers and peering points to specifically block the end IPs for porn sites, refusing routes, blocking access, and generally making it impossible for porn to operate.

When porn gets moved into a walled off slum, it won't be hard to shut us of completely.

When that happens, and if we are forced down that road, it will be the time I leave this business.

Alex

[pornrex]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Jay, it isn't a choice. There is a a decent chance that we get both... so why choose?

2257 is a paperwork nightmare of a law, never passed by the house, senate, or signed by the president. Little bureaucrats re-writing laws without the real power to do so. It's a laugh a minute.

.xxx is like setting up a porn slum and rounding us all up. While I wouldn't go so far as to suggest it is some sort of concentration camp, I will say that it will make it VERY easy for ISPs, browser manufactures, etc to block us out.

More importantly, it would make it possible for bandwidth providers and peering points to specifically block the end IPs for porn sites, refusing routes, blocking access, and generally making it impossible for porn to operate.

When porn gets moved into a walled off slum, it won't be hard to shut us of completely.

When that happens, and if we are forced down that road, it will be the time I leave this business.

Alex

The Adult Industry is a multi-billion dollar industry that is going nowhere, puh-lease.

All this hype about 2257 is well over-rated. Every business has to have a set of standards that they must adhere to in order to be considered reputable and 'clean'.

After reading so many threads/comments/opinions and going over so much of the amendments and inclusions of 2257, I find that it really is no biggie, provided that the models ID's are legitimate and that you have the doc's to back up any challenges should it come to that.

As for the dot XXX fiasco - honestly, a buddy of mine did tell me about this 6 months ago and I thought nothing of it then. However, forcing all porn domains to go .XXX is unconstitutional, no matter where you are from, and I don't give a fuck if your from the US or from Timbukfive.

The last time they 'policed' something this extreme, it became a witch hunt and 6 million people (a disputable figure by the way) got gassed in several chambers in parts of northern europe in WWII. Did we learn from the mistake? I guess not! It seems those same lunatic principles or ideals are ever so slowly creeping into the US Lawmakers mindset everyday which is VERY nervy at best.

As for those of you that don't give a shit about American law? You people are dumber than a steaming pile of shit roasting on a hot sunny day. How would you feel if America, under its present regime (they have a few more years left to go to term, right?) began to lobby its trading partners and either coax them into adhering to 2257 or force them to adhere through sanctions or embargos? I am very certain that governments around the world will be paying close attention to the US and how they police 2257 regulations on American soil. Once data starts to filter in and results provided around the globe you can bet a nickel to my dollar that other countries won't be too far behind. Look at the Olympics with respect to steroid and performance 'enhancers' and look at Cuba, which after I last checked, STILL has an embargo on their ass.

To answer your original question Jay, I would rather deal with 2257 any fucking day of the week! Having the proper documentation in place is like gold. Other linklists will only want to do business with those guys and gals that put up and not with those that can't.

The dot XXX route sounds like it could get REALLY ugly in no time at all and if Raw Alex is right about the slums then they may as well just turn on those ovens again.

[Mr. Blue]

One doesn't not mean the other won't be enforced. How about this as an outcome: they make you get xxx domains and still 2257 you...so basically you're the government's bitch the second you buy into this .xxx thing.

No thanks...2257 is basically bookkeeping...I can live with that...this is a hiccup in the industry and everyone is overreacting. Most likely the law won't stand as is, but even if it does it's just a matter of bookkeeping and some annoyances.

Do your bookkeeping, drink some beers, have some sex...relax.

[Mr. Blue]

Oh, and vote for Hillary

[2msacras]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Oh, and vote for Hillary

No way, vote for Barack Obama.

[bestdutchrates]

As for those of you that don't give a shit about American law? You people are dumber than a steaming pile of shit roasting on a hot sunny day. How would you feel if America, under its present regime (they have a few more years left to go to term, right?) began to lobby its trading partners and either coax them into adhering to 2257 or force them to adhere through sanctions or embargos? I am very certain that governments around the world will be paying close attention to the US and how they police 2257 regulations on American soil. Once data starts to filter in and results provided around the globe you can bet a nickel to my dollar that other countries won't be too far behind. Look at the Olympics with respect to steroid and performance 'enhancers' and look at Cuba, which after I last checked, STILL has an embargo on their ass.[quote]

you are referring to "the coalition of the willing" right?

[Robbo]

I want my old country back.

[Linkster]

I think we need to just carry on and stop trying to scare all the WMs that dont know any better - this shit keeps cycling around every few years and has been going on longer than any of you have been in the biz - the more time you spend worrying about this shit the less time you have to worry about just getting the docs you should have had for the last 10 years and making sure you redirect any pics pages you have out there if you dont have the docs

And stop trying to start fucking scare stories everywhere

[tickler]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Little bureaucrats re-writing laws without the real power to do so. It's a laugh a minute.

Another funny thing is that a lot of the politicians are lawyers. What ever passes for a bar association should yank their licenses for going so far out of bounds.

Originally Posted by Linkster

I think we need to just carry on and stop trying to scare all the WMs that dont know any better

Absolutely, regulations get challenged/ammended all the time.

I've had to spend almost 25% of my time with the legal department over the last 20 years involved with getting US regulations changed.

[Doug E]

linkster wrote :

And stop trying to start fucking scare stories everywhere

fear mongering is good for those outside of the US with capital. must be a lot of folks waiting to buy up some cheap unreal-estate when the panic sets in. wish i had something in the bank.

[Jeka]

What you should do is put a big warning up on all your index sites for the surfers and start a "No 2257" campaign. Let them buy t-shirts and write to the government.
There are 100's of million people surfing for porn every day and I think about 40% of all men surf the net for porn regularly (seen that on tv).

[terry]

xxx, same as most of you