Are surfers really reading the rules?

[alessandro]

I've got a ton of free sites lately that seem to be submitted by people who actually don't read all rules or don't know exactly what they do, because their free sites are top quality but I have to decline them because they're either broking the old famous "No more than 3 links to sponsors per page" or "Do not use the word ENTER within the anchor texts of the sponsor links".

I wanted to post this thoughts here because I can't email every submitter and explain this individually, so as the most of my submitters hang out here, maybe I can help them a bit by not letting them wasting their time and energy building GOOD free sites which get declined for broking some extremely old and known rules.

Finally, submitters pay more attention on small details to avoid working for nothing .

[Emerald]

Shouldnt your title be Submitters instead of surfers?

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by alessandro

"Do not use the word ENTER within the anchor texts of the sponsor links".

just a quick clarification, do you mean anywhere on the site or just on the index page?

[virgohippy]

I get annoyed by the number of links issue too, but I'm so hungry for submissions I've become more lenient on that issue than I was a couple months ago... that and MrYum's arguement about "ad space intent" as opposed to raw number of links.

But lucky for me I've only had to be a hardass about misleading "enter" sponsor links on the warning page a few times.

Personally, I don't mind "enter" sponsor links on pages other than the warning page, though I don't think I've ever used it on a freesite myself. Seems to me that once the experienced surfer has "entered" the site...

[Licker4U]

Originally Posted by virgohippy

that and MrYum's arguement about "ad space intent" as opposed to raw number of links.

Thank you Mr. Yum. I just didn't know how to say it

Now, if we can get the word out to two or three more...LOL

[Jeremy]

Surfers??? They don't give a stuff about rules. All they care about is content.

As for webmasters reading, erm yeah.... ;-)

[Jim]

Webmasters don't read any rules anywhere. Take a look at the Thread I stuck on the top of Products and Services. And yet, I still get people bumping their threads just saying "bump...for webmasters that didn't read this".

[dareutwo]

Use your blacklist.

[Fonz]

I have 4 simple rules in place for webmasters to request a partner account at smilingpussylinks. You'd be surprised how many mess up that application...

[MightyMidget]

alessandro: well I haven't seen u accept my last 3 so if I'm doing something I shouldn't you have to tell me what that is...

http://www.fetishmum.com/UnderJasminsSkirt/s1x/
http://www.fetishmum.com/OrientalTemptations/s1x/
http://www.fetishmum.com/FacialWhoresGalore/s1x/

[Jel]

Assuming you mean "Are submitters really reading the rules?" which I (and prolly) everyone else thinks you mean; sad fact is that as you get more submitters, you get more freesites that are frankly, absolute shit.

Nothing you can do except delete/ban/send rejection emails as and when, and thank the lord that as a smaller place, you get less crap running through your system than places like Tommy's Bookmarks et al.

Getting more shit = (hopefully) getting more *good submits*, so rejecting those means that of decent submitters, they'll get more accepts.

Good submitters are absolute gold dust; so keep those submitters happy, and fuck the rest = a good LL. Submitters are happy, and so *should* the surfers be. If it means rejecting 90% of submits... so be it.

[alessandro]

Sorry for not replying faster, I had some offline stuff that kept me bussy.

Yes, I mean submitters, not surfers, no matter the reason, it is a mistake so I apologize for it. It was about submitters not surfers .

Ponygirl, I don't mind if ENTER is used on main, or gallery pages, but when there are more than 2 ENTER words on the index page. You get it .

Off-topic: Jeremy, I'll have your submit page link up soon, sorry for not being faster.

Jim, from your experinces as from mine, it seems that most webmasters/submitters don't read rules .

MightyMidget, I'm a bit behind with reviews, everything should get up to date by the end of this week. Other than that, your sites are in the que, at a glance they look good and there should be no problem in order to get them listed .

Jel, you're perfectly right, the more submits I get the more shit. However, when I'm not too pressed by time I send emails telling those submitters who got declined what was the reason for which their sites got declined so that they get a second chance to get listed. If they fuck up the second time too, then they should probably look for a new job .

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by alessandro

Ponygirl, I don't mind if ENTER is used on main, or gallery pages, but when there are more than 2 ENTER words on the index page. You get it

yes, thanks for clarifying that

I'm lucky, I have some really good submitters and I find I'm doing a lot less rejecting these days. And I agree with Jel, good submitters are very valuable to a growing LL.

I send out reject emails, but only to the people I think will read them. I just wish people would check every once in a while to see if anything has changed - there's a few LLs that have updated recips in the last little while and they're not being used. (pet peeve lol). You can certainly tell who does read them

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by ponygirl

yes, thanks for clarifying that

I'm lucky, I have some really good submitters and I find I'm doing a lot less rejecting these days. And I agree with Jel, good submitters are very valuable to a growing LL.

I send out reject emails, but only to the people I think will read them. I just wish people would check every once in a while to see if anything has changed - there's a few LLs that have updated recips in the last little while and they're not being used. (pet peeve lol). You can certainly tell who does read them

Couldn't agree more on all counts

Although I do still get a lot of really crappy submissions...I also get some damn fine sites from regulars. Thanks to each and every one of em

[stuveltje]

they dont read and they will never read (oke maybe 2 will read) strange is i bow the rules a bit by allowing some things on the main and gallery pages. even against the rules.....to admit, if i wont do that i will have a big problem with some linksites, i decline already a huge amound, but damn i need to list some sites...and if i have to do that then i still will pick the persons who i know from this bizz already for some time.

[tigermom]

I read the rules as a submitter. Read them carefully even, but only when I start with a new LL. If I break any rules, I appreciate being told as to why. Have to say though, I submitted over 100 sites so far, and only very very few have ever been rejected by anyone... and then I was told why

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by tigermom

I read the rules as a submitter. Read them carefully even, but only when I start with a new LL. If I break any rules, I appreciate being told as to why. Have to say though, I submitted over 100 sites so far, and only very very few have ever been rejected by anyone... and then I was told why

well what keep you from emailing the linksite or ask the board where those linksites are hanging around where you submitted too? thats my point...dont wait till a linksite email you, you can ask yourself too. if yu cound the rejection emails then you dont have an ral cound of the linksites you are listed, because most dont send out emails, you can see in your stats if you get listed or not

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

well what keep you from emailing the linksite or ask the board where those linksites are hanging around where you submitted too? thats my point...dont wait till a linksite email you, you can ask yourself too.

For myself, I usually get a reason with the decline message. But there have been a couple of times when a reason wasn't given with a decline message, so I did contact the webmaster, and asked what I could do. So far, everything's been an easy fix.

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by tigermom

I read the rules as a submitter. Read them carefully even, but only when I start with a new LL. If I break any rules, I appreciate being told as to why. Have to say though, I submitted over 100 sites so far, and only very very few have ever been rejected by anyone... and then I was told why

Same deal for me too, all around.

It's not difficult to read through the same list of yada yada on each site once, and pick out where there may be some issues. Although, about once a month or two I'll sift through the rules on various lists, just to be sure I'm on the up and up.

Seems to me reviewers can tell when a mistake isn't intentional. I'm sure submission history plays a big part in that assesment too.

[stuveltje]

oke need to post this, if you guys and gals are reading the rules why you submit a page with 20 linkbacks if the linksite you are submitting to say "dont burrie my link between 20 linkbacks" or "maximum linkbacks allowed 16" and you still submit a site with 20 linkbacks?

[virgohippy]

Most times I see that rule it seems like it applies to the standard recips... those big, ugly ones that are meant to be loud and obnoxious.

However, I use custom text recips, and it's my practice to build sites with 20 custom text recips, and maybe one or two mirrors with 12-16.

If it's a new list, I'll stick the site in with 11-19 others. If I get a message saying it's a problem (which hasen't happened yet) then I'll make a note, and either stop submitting to them or drop them in with a smaller number of other recips.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Most times I see that rule it seems like it applies to the standard recips... those big, ugly ones that are meant to be loud and obnoxious.

However, I use custom text recips, and it's my practice to build sites with 20 custom text recips, and maybe one or two mirrors with 12-16.

If it's a new list, I'll stick the site in with 11-19 others. If I get a message saying it's a problem (which hasen't happened yet) then I'll make a note, and either stop submitting to them or drop them in with a smaller number of other recips.

why waiting for a message if the rules say dont burry my links between 20 linkbacks, means to me you are not reading the rules either? my notice is that most dont like the 20 linkbacks deal, yeah i was and sometimes am a free site submitter too btw thats how i started this bizz as a free site submitter, the 20 or more linbacks sites is a thing i see alot lately, and making your own text linkbacks i dont mind, but what if the rules say, "only 16 linkbacks" or "dont burry my link between 20 others", my point dont push it , read the rules and keep checking the rules, because not all wont email back if your sites gets declined for what reason, if you dont ask you wont know

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by stuveltje

why waiting for a message if the rules say dont burry my links between 20 linkbacks, means to me you are not reading the rules either? my notice is that most dont like the 20 linkbacks deal, yeah i was and sometimes am a free site submitter too btw thats how i started this bizz as a free site submitter, the 20 or more linbacks sites is a thing i see alot lately, and making your own text linkbacks i dont mind, but what if the rules say, "only 16 linkbacks" or "dont burry my link between 20 others", my point dont push it , read the rules and keep checking the rules, because not all wont email back if your sites gets declined for what reason, if you dont ask you wont know

You're right. If I don't get a message, I should ask. I'd just hate to bug someone who's yet to list a site of mine only because they have a long back log.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by virgohippy

You're right. If I don't get a message, I should ask. I'd just hate to bug someone who's yet to list a site of mine only because they have a long back log.

ever think of the fact that some linksites do that on purpose a backlog for some days? i work for 3 linksite owners who want me to keep a backlog, reason...to grab the ones who change their sites, also a reason i dont tell on the board how many days that backlog is......you know cheaters dont read rules, but they sure read webmaster boards btw the longest backlog i ever seen was from fetish bank, it took them about more then 2 years to list my sites, and i knew my sites where by the their rules, so i didnt needed to ask, and yep when i dont get accepted i will ask on this board

[ronnie]

Sadly most dont read anything or they dont know enough english, not a dig, just see more and more poor english, even worst then mine. And lucky if 1% actually read or respond to decline e-mails. Get so tired of seeing "Enter To..", "Join To.."

Even more, to see some many people wasting their time, making and submitting sites that will not get listed.

ronnie