the future of tgps and link lists (maybe)

[Tommy]

This morning when I woke up I had a sort of idea

(not that I am seriously considering it)

what if ALL the tgps and linklists charged the surfers a small price for access

like 5.00 a month

people like pk worldsex and the hun could be multi millionares overnight

maybe the submited gallerys they would be posting might be from other tgp owners premoting their tgp ??

maybe in 4 to 5 years this might be the way things go

if ya think about how the adult internet would change because of this, It would be very far reaching

before anyone panics, this is just a what if fantasy thread

[LowryBigwood]

I could see something like that happening if the link list and tgp owners had to check age, like paysites do. I'd think it could be a good thing for everyone and a lot less free porn. Just a newbies 1.5 cents.

[selena]

Anything that reduces the amount of totally free porn is a great idea, imho.

[Verbal]

Yeah, I had also wondered why TGPs don't charge the surfers a small "surfing fee". The thing is though, everyone would have to agree to this model, and there is no shortage of TGPs that would stay open for free. But yeah, it would be interesting to do a test and see how it works.

[Tommy]

well I dont think if it happened it would have anything to do with decreasing the amaount of free porn, I think it would be about money

right now the real money is made by the program owners and not by the people controling most of the traffic (customers) that senerio doesnt fly in any other buisness model

[Cleo]

It would only work if all the places did it together and I don't see everyone ever agreeing to this or anything else, but it would be nice.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Cleo

It would only work if all the places did it together and I don't see everyone ever agreeing to this or anything else, but it would be nice.

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Tommy

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

And it is ironic that webmasters now pay for the privilege of giving away porn for free.
Make the surfers pay for access too, dammit.

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by Tommy

3- 4 years ago everyone said the same thing about paid submits

True, but getting webmasters to cough up some dough for the privilege of submitting and getting surfers to cough up even one dollar is two very different things.

I think most surfers would look for other sites that aren't charging a fee.

[bret]

Originally Posted by CD Smith

True, but getting webmasters to cough up some dough for the privilege of submitting and getting surfers to cough up even one dollar is two very different things.

I think most surfers would look for other sites that aren't charging a fee.

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free. some do, you can't throw up a bunch of crap and expect somone to pay for it. if you have a good established reputation and provide quality product, people will pay for it. would you pay to submit to john doe's fly-by-night submitter page? but you have no problem paying someone you know and trust in the industry, dr. bizzaro, shemp, et al.

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

[PayAsYouClick]

Originally Posted by bret

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free. some do, you can't throw up a bunch of crap and expect somone to pay for it. if you have a good established reputation and provide quality product, people will pay for it. would you pay to submit to john doe's fly-by-night submitter page? but you have no problem paying someone you know and trust in the industry, dr. bizzaro, shemp, et al.

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

I totally agree. Trust is as important to webmasters as it is with surfers. It takes time and lots of people to work together to gain respect and trust.

- cheryl

[CD Smith]

Originally Posted by bret

the same could be argued for paid submissions.. the submitters would go where it is free.

No, not really. In some cases, yes, but where the site is really huge and it's traffic valuable (Like Shemp's, Doc Bizarro, Elephant list, and dozens of others) submitters are motivated to pay, at least the serious ones are. It also cuts down on cheaters because as we all know cheaters aren't usually into paying money for anything.

With smaller less busy TGP's, yes... having paid submissions probably isn't the way to go, thus some submitters would stick with submitting to them.

Originally Posted by bret

the trust factor is huge with all the scammers out there, and they scams just keep increasing. if the surfer develops a relationship with your site, you earn their trust, and eventually maybe even their dollars.

I don't really see the parallell between submitting webmasters paying a fee and charging the surfer a user fee though, other than the fact that both are fees. Other than that, I wouldn't be surprised if your traffic took a significant drop once the fee was put in place. It's no secret that MOST surfers simply do not want to pay for anything, much less porn. A common signup ratio in this biz is 1 signup in every 500 uniques. Some see 1:200, 1:300, some see as bad as 1:5000 or worse..... I doubt that would magically change just because it is a favorite TGP now charging.

Hey, I could be wrong, but at this point in the discussion I don't think I am.

[LowryBigwood]

Good point Tommy.

But if they are paying us for the porn, it's no longer free.

I don't have any doubt your bookmarkers would pay the monthly fee, but what about new traffic, with all the other available porn out there? How would the industry come together and sort of conform to this new idea? Of course the larger players such as yourself would have to venture out there first.

[selena]

Sorry, Tommy, I didn't post real clear, but in my mind, if they are paying to surf, it's not totally free anymore. Didn't word that right, I don't think.

[Ramster]

Interesting concept that has been thought of before.

Another cool option is the guy that has a TGP for his members. It's inside the members area or has a link to it from the members area.

Just thinking out loud.

[Porn Meister]

There've been lists before that try to get an email address out of a surfer after a few "free" visits. Once entered, the cookie was updated so it didnt block access anymore.
Not the same, but similar concept.
Also I've seen 1 paysite who sells submit spots where the galleries are listed inside a paysite members area. Again, not directly related, but I think goes to show the content value currently available for free.

Seems like a valid concept idea.. although I'm not sure where the line would be between "free" and "pay" site as far as regulations etc.

[LowryBigwood]

Selena, that's the way I was thinking as well. No longer free to surfers if they're paying webmasters for access to their directories.

It will be interesting to see what happens if this does get tested.

[swedguy]

For every place to goes "paid to view", there will be 10 "free to view" that will take its place. I think the old die hard followers might pay, but getting new surfers will be a hard task.

[ClickBuster]

Only one thing came to my mind after reading this thread and that listed content is not your content. After all it's just a tool for you to generate income. Maybe if you share your revenue... oooh even better - you will pay PPC or PPI to sponsors because you'll use their free content to promote their sites LOL. Which actually will turn things around wouldn't it - and here's how the idea of a paysite was born You can't have a free content listing and require som fee to be paid for it in order to view it, because in some time people will just start grabbing promo content from the sponsors and not even link to them - what will happen is people building *free* sites and galleries just for the $5 monthly... and in some moment the sponsor content will stop and here we come to what you were talking about - end of the free porn promoting - nobody will give it away free and everybody (including you guys) will in the same position as if time went back 5 years. In that case I'm for the $5 monthly fee, because I'm new to the biz and I would like to have an equal start with you all

Now, I don't want to be rude (but this post was so funny), but please stop dreaming Tommy. The story knows 100k of people that have denyed the future, so you may be also predicting it, but my logic just stops me from believing it.

[Tommy]

well the gallerys and sites listed at the tgp are still free

maybe think of it as a fee for assembling the list everyday and doing the updates

other industrys are plagued by lawsuits some good and some bad
but liablity lawsuits govern the way they do buisness

and I am sure its only a matter of time before it happens here

what if some kid gets caught jerking off to whatever tgp
and the parents feel the kid has become addicted to porn and the tgp has correpted the kids morals etc etc and the parents sue for millions of dollars

if one person won, overnight there would be thousands of lawsuits

what then ????????????

[Greenguy]

We tried that - it was called AVS

Seriously - there are already sites doing this with charging pennies for gallery links & whatnot.

If EVERYONE did it, then it'd work. Not you'll never get everyone in the entire world to do it.

[Brav]

I don't see it happening, it will be like TGP2, some will like it some won't. I think it would be nearly impossible to get everyone to do it.

I have seen some sites charging for access to their "huge archives" though.

[Tommy]

Avs Is a lot different and millions of people bought avs memberships
and it would still be a good thing if visa didnt have regulations against it

avs sort of pretended to be a safe guard against kids viewing porn but it was really a paysite with lots of different subsites

first of all they charged like 30 to 40 bucks or a trial with a 40 dollar recur
the list was free to see
and you had to put your password in at every site
most avs's dont add as many new sites as a tgp adds gallerys daily
avs's listed sites not gallerys
and most of those sites were a lot worse then the sites listed and free link sites


and when you think about it why would anyone buy an avs membership when they could just surf over to link o rama and find it for free.
But surfers bought millions of those passes and paid big money for em

[Pusher]

I agree with swedguy...there will always be people who will offer porn for free...in fact if some LLs and TGPs started charging a nominal fee, they would see it as an opportunity to increase their traffic!

[Tommy]

I am just saying anything is possable

Now lets take it a step further.
The trades you have with other tgps and linksites
could have revshare codes in the link urls