Getting Pay Sites Listed

[linsys]

Can someone give me an idea why I'm having such a hard time getting my pay site listed with the LLs?

http://www.cathrina-model.com

Any and all feedback is very much appreicated.

[amadman]

Hello linsys.

I think most ll only list paysites that they are affiliates of.

I see that you have an affiliate program but it only pays %50 on initial sales.

This could be a real stopping block when it comes to getting webmasters to sign up to promote your site.

[amadman]

One more thing if you do want to get more trafic from ll's on your own.

You should build free sites that promote your pay site. Then submit those to the ll's

[linsys]

You mean something like this

http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/001/

I was setting up free.cathrina-model.com, but those wheren't getting listed on another board I was told that subdomains might get reviewed but probably not listed.

How is that free site?

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by linsys

You mean something like this

http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/001/

That freesite doesn't fit the rules of most LL's.

Some things that catched my eye:
1. Put more recips on your index (at least 6-8).
2. Put a title on your site, not only in your <title></title> tag.
3. Make your site so that it looks the same in every screen resolution, put everything in a 750pix wide table or so. It doesn't looks that good when your site is all stretched out in a higher screen resolution.
4. Keep your theme, color schemes, fot types, ... the same all over your site. Now your index page and your gallery pages seem to be part of completely different sites.
5. Put a main page behind your index page with links to your galleries on that page.
6. I would put my thumbnails closer together if I was you, now there's too much blank space

for an example of a "good" freesite check out a few of these hosted ones:
http://sammy4u.com/tgp/new/freesites...ats=NTE0OjQ6MQ
http://sites.oraldojo.com/hfs/busty_...x/?smilinpussy
http://www.littlethumbs.com/free/mad...?coupon=837554
(notice these don't have recip tables on them because they're hosted freesites provided by sponsors)

If there's anything else please let me know

[amadman]

Originally Posted by linsys

You mean something like this

http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/001/

I was setting up free.cathrina-model.com, but those wheren't getting listed on another board I was told that subdomains might get reviewed but probably not listed.

How is that free site?

Looks like you have worked on it a bit since fonz's post.

But could still work on some of his suggestions.

Plus from what I see now you have a bit of open space between the rows of pics. I would close that up a bit to make it look nicer.

You could go with smaller size pics. 1000x750 is large my anyones standards.

Also you will want more than one advert per page. Most linklists allow 3/page.

[linsys]

What's a good deal on an affiliate program? Just wondering... I will be running multiple sites like cathrina-model I have 8 models lined up with about 2-3 more wanting to signup per week.. .which is crazy out of control... I'm not sure I can keep up..

So I'm gonna want a good affiliate program... I was considering getting a domain for that something like <MyGirls>-Affiliate.com or what ever... so that all my sites would like to that.. you know like everyone elese see.

I was looking at lightspeedcash as an example and they are offering 30-$35/signup... that's equal to or less then a signup to one of their sites...

Are most webmasters only promoting the profit sharing programs or sites which offer them $30 per signup?? I could do the $30/signup not sure about the profit sharing, mainly because of technical limitations... I guess I could write one...

[amadman]

Originally Posted by linsys

What's a good deal on an affiliate program? Just wondering... I will be running multiple sites like cathrina-model I have 8 models lined up with about 2-3 more wanting to signup per week.. .which is crazy out of control... I'm not sure I can keep up..

So I'm gonna want a good affiliate program... I was considering getting a domain for that something like <MyGirls>-Affiliate.com or what ever... so that all my sites would like to that.. you know like everyone Else see.

I was looking at lightspeedcash as an example and they are offering 30-$35/signup... that's equal to or less then a signup to one of their sites...

Are most webmasters only promoting the profit sharing programs or sites which offer them $30 per signup?? I could do the $30/signup not sure about the profit sharing, mainly because of technical limitations... I guess I could write one...

Hello linsys,

Sorry about the slow reply. I went to bed

I was actually going by the %50/initial that was listed on the webmaster join page. With the site being $19.95 that gives the wm less than $10/join and no chance of making more from that sale.

If you are new to this then I would not suggest using a pay per sign model. Setting up a pps model requires a strong understanding of the different ways to make money from your site.

Most new programs start off paying %50 on initial and recurring charges. Not as appealing to some wm's but is a safer bet for getting your feet wet.

CCbill is a place were alot of the new ones start and migrate from once they get larger. Sure you have to pay the $750 but that is just an expense of a paysite anymore. And if you can not pay that then you definitely do not want to be starting a payper sign program.

[linsys]

Hmmmm... after doing more research it looks like most people are using CCBill, I was hoping to avoid their $750 Visa sign up fee considering I already have a merchant account and authorize.net account for my IT Consulting business (I was using PartyKey to avoid the visa fee but still help webmasters have a little more faith in my paying them, instead of using my own merchant account)... Maybe that is the best way to go my own merchant account and purchase some sort of affiliate program...

Hmmmmm I guess this might be something to rethink...

[linsys]

As Far as adverts, I was just promoting my paysite with this free site.. I guess I could add a banner as well for cathrina-model.com or other girls as I'm designing 4 more right now with like 8 others on the way...

Thanks for the feedback I will make some changes later today and ask for more feedback.

[linsys]

I also got a rejection from Richards Realm stating the page loaded too slow... I did a speed test on this site this is what I got:

Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 244.84 seconds
28.8K 122.52 seconds
33.6K 105.05 seconds
56K 63.11 seconds
ISDN 128K 19.47 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 1.87 seconds

Maybe I should put less pics on the page... most link sites want 20 min, and 10 per page.. I have 16 on the main page... so I could cut down on the thumbnail quality not size just cut the image like 75% in quality... and make the main image smaller like 800 height...

[linsys]

I tested one of the "Good" free sites listed above and I get about the same speed results from http://www.websiteoptimization.com.... so I'm a little confused...

[amadman]

Just took another peek and I see what your speed issue is. I see thumbs as much as 20k each.|shocking|

That just will not do. You need to get them down a bit. I try to keep mine below 4k each.

[linsys]

See my Thumbs where auto created by a php script I have... it uses the full quality image and then resizes them down and makes a new image with the new dimentions.. I guess I will have to do some of this manually..

[linsys]

Ok I'll try again. How is this

http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/004/

I fixed the following

1) Download Speed, went from 60sec for a 56K model to 14sec for 56k a modem
2) Changed my Entrance To Use the Same Style Sheet As The Main Site
3) Created a Site Title
4) Added more recpts to the main index page
5) Changed the Table Size to 750pix
6) Created a Main Page With Links to My 2 Free Galerys
7) Put My Thumbnails Closer Together

Any more feedback would be appreciated..

So I guess what I need to do is basicly create multiple dirs like
<URL>/cathrina/04
<URL>/cathrina/05
<URL>/cathrina/06
<URL>/cathrina/07
etc...
All with the same data and submit them to different link lists and add those links lists recpt to the index page... right? I saw someone on this board post that very thing.. and I think he was getting good feed back..

Also would link lists add multiple free sites if I created them with a different design? And different pics?

[linsys]

If Green Guy could share his opinion with me as well that would be great, I would like to make sure that I'm following the proper path to getting listed on hist site and others of similiar quality.

[amadman]

You have come along way linsys. And looking much better.

There are a few more things I could suggest but since I can be a bit nit picky lets wait and see what others say first.

[linsys]

Nit Pick away... I think I need to promote the paysite more... I finally got listed on richards realm, and they just sent me 240 uniques already this morning, of those only about 3 made it to my pay site...

Also I should have listed each galery with a different title to richards realm because both are listed with the same name, dough. Anyway I know that TGPs are the worst traffic... so...

[linsys]

Amadman,

Just listed this site with you. Hope it meets your requirements...

[Useless]

Let me have a crack at it...
Referring to this last one: http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/004/

On your index you'll typically want 10-16 recips. Most link lists are happy with that number range. Place an advertising banner for you site somewhere on that page. It's a waste of prime space. The index will have a higher PR than the rest of the free site and will be indexed the highest. Advertise on it. Make your Enter link bigger so it can be easily found. Drop that link to D*sney before you get a cease and desist order. They don't appreciate you linking from an adult site. There isn't a good reason for an exit link anyway. Make them go back were they came from. Plus, all of that copyright jargon on the bottom of your page means nothing. The copyright is inherent. Warning thieves means nothing to them. They know better, but if they plan on nabbing your pics, they are going to.

On your main.htm...
You're asking too many questions. Avoid questions that can be answered with a 'no'. Don't ask them what they want. Tell them what the want. Tighten everything up a bit. It's all so spread apart. Bring that second link to your site up closer to the gallery links. No one is going to see it down there.

On your galleries...
The thumbs are a good size. You need to working on that text though. "Incase you want to see more of her..." Screw that! There is no 'in case'. Tell them why they NEED to see more. Tell them that these sample are lame compared to what this little hottie has on her site. Tell them that the movie of her stripping will have them drooling, they're gonna want to lick that tattoo off of her back... You have the same exact text on each gallery page. Don't do that. If it didn't make them click-thru on the first gallery, it's not going to do the trick the second time around. Also, it was already mentioned that your big pics are too big. Shrink them down to 600 on the long side, but keep them clear. Your pics are big, grainy, and dark. Keep them in order. They are completely out of order on the first gallery. Second gallery looks right though.

Keep at it and you'll be a master in no time.

[amadman]

I will list it as it is but here are a few other things to look at.

First on the main page you should get at least one of your gallery links to show with out having to scroll at 1024x768. The way you have it now could be considered a fpa by some ll. It is a strike for me and can get a site to not be listed if there are other things I don't like.

Second there is still a bit of empty space especially on the top of pages. This should not hurt you listings but still could be closed up a bit to look neater.

Third the recips could look a little neater. Could maybe space them out a bit and maybe try to even out the rows. For example make it 3x3 instead of 4x2.

Finally you still could get another advert on those pages.
Could fill in that empty space on top with one. Or maybe have a 'Click here to see more of model name' type of link on the bottom.

In the future once you have a few free sites then you can make a site that lists
those too. Then you will be able to link to it from new sites you build.

[amadman]

One more thing. The dimensions of your pics are still a bit on the large side.
I would not go any larger than 800 pixels on the longest side. With the low end being around 600 pixels on the longest side.

[linsys]

Question for all your seasoned masters out there.. I created a Free Site

http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/004/

I then listed my gallery pages with Richards Realm who has sent me a little over 1500 uniques today which is great, however the point of this free site is to promote my pay site, of the 1500 visitors I received today I ONLY received 16 visits to my pay site...

Any comments on this for me? I know that TGP traffic has the worse turnover but is 16 visits to my paysite out of 1500 sound right? Is that high? Low?

Suggestions on making that number higher?

The way I see it is if I list 5 gallerys per day that will give me about 5,000 hits lets say to my TPG then I should see about 80 hits to my pay site...

This was only 331.89 MB of traffic which isn't bad.. I don't think.. I still need to cut down on the size of the full images like I have bene told, that will be done tonight..

On a FINAL Note I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK... I mean this has BEEN SOO USEFULL Hopefully I can get to the point where I can help others out as well.

[linsys]

Also GG if I submit my site again, my pay site that is

http://www.cathrina-model.com/

Does it look good enough to get listed if I supply you with a username and password? I think I have fixed all my issues...

[linsys]

I think I got it...

Here is my latests free site..

http://www.links-o-porn.com/fs/cathrina/005/

My only concen is the add on the main page... is it too big?