Have you lost of art of talking to the surfer?

MrMaryLou · 2005-03-09, 07:45 PM

Have you lost of art of talking to the surfer?

Well let’s think about this for a bit. Have you really thought about what you saying to the surfer when you’re writing text?

As you all know I review few sites and I am seeing a trend of just “ENTER HERE TO SEE” type links and less of romancing the surfer or stroking them into the sale are you really willing to leave it up to the tour to sell them or are you going to make the pre sale?

I would love some input on this

plateman · 2005-03-09, 07:54 PM

I most always try and talk and convince them I am there friend and am really showing them a good site and a good deal.. the way I look at it is.. most LL have the links under "free" and its hard to sell them no matter what you say and can type till your fingers fall off BUT when that friendly text is seen by the se surfers - that = $$$ sales BUt over do it and have it all mix together and it will be worse than a plain page with a banner and pictures on it IMHO..

dareutwo · 2005-03-09, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

As you all know I review few sites and I am seeing a trend of just “ENTER HERE TO SEE” type links and less of romancing the surfer or stroking them into the sale are you really willing to leave it up to the tour to sell them or are you going to make the pre sale?

I agree. I can't remember the last text ad only site listed.

Hey Tony, if you give me a ride to the mall I'll suck your cock on the way.
I have the pictures.Tonys Dick Sucking

Joe · 2005-03-09, 08:01 PM

The thing I don't like is the lack of creativity in the adult industry.

Take for example freesites, I'd say a good many are just a cookie-cutter template slapped with a "Gallery 1" "Gallery 2", and a few sponsor links here and there. That's it.

Be creative. I find that my conversions skyrocket if I take a more personal approach, and design a freesite in such a way so that it has that personal 1st-person talking feel.

Joe · 2005-03-09, 08:02 PM

Also, if you have writer's block, I find that JizzHut.com has the inspiration to juice up the perverted thoughts a little.

Some of their descriptions are so cleverly written.

Bill · 2005-03-09, 08:31 PM

The situation is a bit more complicated than that.

My experience is that sometimes a simple approach works just as well as a story/personal touch approach to getting the click and the sale.

I've been amazed at how often a very simple sales text get's the sale.

It often depends on where in the site you are placing the ad. And the overall sales concept of the site.

Robbo · 2005-03-09, 08:53 PM

I take it on a site by site basis for my own. I try to create a vibe for each site and work it in in different ways and elements. Often trying to work a smile or a laugh. Sometimes they get rushed though too as far as the last few text links or whatnot if it`s a site that`s been on the burner a while.

I have seen enough of the plain enter this site text you mention though. It could be that in between the real good site builders and the absolute shit spammers there are alot of webmasters that are just middle of the road. Some have the tech stuff down pat but can`t even match an ad to their site. Some have sex in their blood but could`nt write an email let alone html. Perhaps they are a good portion of the "get rich quick mentality" webmasters that have not reached the wall yet. The learners who are not there yet. And of course weak tired templates.

Always good to check yourself though!

Rorschach · 2005-03-09, 09:09 PM

I used to get all hung about making good ads, then I realised that sales are more a function of traffic numbers than salesmanship... it's that 80/20 thing. A simple ad that takes 20% of the work required to make a "good" ad will still get 80% of the clicks that the good one would have... you are trading a lot of time for those last few percentage points of CTR and a better ratio. I'd rather spend that time using 20% techniques to get more traffic... it's all about the numbers.

Joe · 2005-03-09, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rorschach

I used to get all hung about making good ads, then I realised that sales are more a function of traffic numbers than salesmanship... it's that 80/20 thing. A simple ad that takes 20% of the work required to make a "good" ad will still get 80% of the clicks that the good one would have... you are trading a lot of time for those last few percentage points of CTR and a better ratio. I'd rather spend that time using 20% techniques to get more traffic... it's all about the numbers.

But the thing is, it only takes a few more minutes (and some brain power) to crank out some creative writing.

Which would you rather click on?

Girl Rides Dick

or

Gigantic, black dicks slam a babe in all of her tight love holes

Traffic numbers do come into play, but what's the use of bulk traffic if none of them will click on an enticing link?

Cleo · 2005-03-09, 09:13 PM

I always try to write good sales text and just use a banner for its visual attraction to pull the surfer into my sales text.

MadMax · 2005-03-09, 09:48 PM

When building free sites (which I don't do nearly enough of) I always use a lot of text with strategically placed banners...sometimes I feel like too much. I try to balance my pitch between telling them what the sponsor site is offering and trying to get them worked up. I agree that most free sites rely way too much on banners. If I'm using a given banner or graphic ad I try to match the sales text to what the ad is showing to (hopefully) increase the impact of both.

mikeyddddd · 2005-03-10, 06:25 AM

I think you have to do something different.

For example, I posted my Geo IP thread on another board with the title "This is a PHP test - Do NOT click here".

One webmaster said "It's reverse psychology. When it says don't click, people just click".

Another said "hehehehehe its toooooo damn hard not to click".

Linkster · 2005-03-10, 07:16 AM

One thing that always has worked for me - if you look at the Sunday newspaper sales ad copy - look at what they are using to entice/sell in short sentences
The second thing I do is try to write text which becomes an extension of the paysites tour page - matching text to their tour text (if its worth a shit) seems to work well

Joe · 2005-03-10, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

One thing that always has worked for me - if you look at the Sunday newspaper sales ad copy - look at what they are using to entice/sell in short sentences
The second thing I do is try to write text which becomes an extension of the paysites tour page - matching text to their tour text (if its worth a shit) seems to work well

On the same note, having a similar design/color scheme to the paysite tends to work in favor of higher conversions.

2005-03-09, 07:45 PM	#1
MrMaryLou i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 11,247	Have you lost of art of talking to the surfer? Have you lost of art of talking to the surfer? Well let’s think about this for a bit. Have you really thought about what you saying to the surfer when you’re writing text? As you all know I review few sites and I am seeing a trend of just “ENTER HERE TO SEE” type links and less of romancing the surfer or stroking them into the sale are you really willing to leave it up to the tour to sell them or are you going to make the pre sale? I would love some input on this __________________ <a href="http://www.greenguysboard.com/onthebench/">Join Me For On The Bench </a>

2005-03-09, 07:54 PM	#2
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	I most always try and talk and convince them I am there friend and am really showing them a good site and a good deal.. the way I look at it is.. most LL have the links under "free" and its hard to sell them no matter what you say and can type till your fingers fall off BUT when that friendly text is seen by the se surfers - that = $$$ sales BUt over do it and have it all mix together and it will be worse than a plain page with a banner and pictures on it IMHO.. __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2005-03-09, 08:01 PM	#4
Joe The information superhighway showed the average person what some nerd thinks about Star Trek Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Posts: 337	The thing I don't like is the lack of creativity in the adult industry. Take for example freesites, I'd say a good many are just a cookie-cutter template slapped with a "Gallery 1" "Gallery 2", and a few sponsor links here and there. That's it. Be creative. I find that my conversions skyrocket if I take a more personal approach, and design a freesite in such a way so that it has that personal 1st-person talking feel. __________________ <a href="http://www.joes-porn-shack.com/cgi-bin/links2/add.cgi"><img src="http://www.joes-porn-shack.com/images/joes120x60.gif" width="120" height="60" alt="Submit to Joe's Porn Shack"></a> Joe's Porn Shack = Golden SE traffic

2005-03-09, 08:02 PM	#5
Joe The information superhighway showed the average person what some nerd thinks about Star Trek Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Posts: 337	Also, if you have writer's block, I find that JizzHut.com has the inspiration to juice up the perverted thoughts a little. Some of their descriptions are so cleverly written. __________________ <a href="http://www.joes-porn-shack.com/cgi-bin/links2/add.cgi"><img src="http://www.joes-porn-shack.com/images/joes120x60.gif" width="120" height="60" alt="Submit to Joe's Porn Shack"></a> Joe's Porn Shack = Golden SE traffic

2005-03-09, 08:53 PM	#7
Robbo No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Greenguy County, NY Posts: 236	I take it on a site by site basis for my own. I try to create a vibe for each site and work it in in different ways and elements. Often trying to work a smile or a laugh. Sometimes they get rushed though too as far as the last few text links or whatnot if it`s a site that`s been on the burner a while. I have seen enough of the plain enter this site text you mention though. It could be that in between the real good site builders and the absolute shit spammers there are alot of webmasters that are just middle of the road. Some have the tech stuff down pat but can`t even match an ad to their site. Some have sex in their blood but could`nt write an email let alone html. Perhaps they are a good portion of the "get rich quick mentality" webmasters that have not reached the wall yet. The learners who are not there yet. And of course weak tired templates. Always good to check yourself though! __________________ The hardest thing for an intelligent man to understand is stupidity.

2005-03-09, 08:31 PM	#6
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	The situation is a bit more complicated than that. My experience is that sometimes a simple approach works just as well as a story/personal touch approach to getting the click and the sale. I've been amazed at how often a very simple sales text get's the sale. It often depends on where in the site you are placing the ad. And the overall sales concept of the site.

2005-03-09, 09:09 PM	#8
Rorschach Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 115	I used to get all hung about making good ads, then I realised that sales are more a function of traffic numbers than salesmanship... it's that 80/20 thing. A simple ad that takes 20% of the work required to make a "good" ad will still get 80% of the clicks that the good one would have... you are trading a lot of time for those last few percentage points of CTR and a better ratio. I'd rather spend that time using 20% techniques to get more traffic... it's all about the numbers.

2005-03-09, 09:13 PM	#10
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I always try to write good sales text and just use a banner for its visual attraction to pull the surfer into my sales text. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-03-09, 09:48 PM	#11
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	When building free sites (which I don't do nearly enough of) I always use a lot of text with strategically placed banners...sometimes I feel like too much. I try to balance my pitch between telling them what the sponsor site is offering and trying to get them worked up. I agree that most free sites rely way too much on banners. If I'm using a given banner or graphic ad I try to match the sales text to what the ad is showing to (hopefully) increase the impact of both.

2005-03-10, 06:25 AM	#12
mikeyddddd A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Irving, TX Posts: 57	I think you have to do something different. For example, I posted my Geo IP thread on another board with the title "This is a PHP test - Do NOT click here". One webmaster said "It's reverse psychology. When it says don't click, people just click". Another said "hehehehehe its toooooo damn hard not to click". __________________ mikey likes it

2005-03-10, 07:16 AM	#13
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	One thing that always has worked for me - if you look at the Sunday newspaper sales ad copy - look at what they are using to entice/sell in short sentences The second thing I do is try to write text which becomes an extension of the paysites tour page - matching text to their tour text (if its worth a shit) seems to work well __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash