Don't be an idiot!

dirtyjumbo · 2005-03-12, 04:22 PM

Don't be an idiot like me, ALWAYS back up your stuff!
Last week my HD crashed and I didn't have a backup. Result: I lost all my program files, a shitload of content, etc..
Don't think it can't happen to you, it's gonna happen sooner or later..

jscott · 2005-03-12, 04:22 PM

fuck that sucks man, good luck rebuilding

LadyB · 2005-03-12, 06:02 PM

ugh.. that happened to me once a few years back. Sucks for sure

Had another hard drive crash last year but luckily that time I had backups of all of my stuff. It definately pays to take the time to do it.

babymaker · 2005-03-12, 07:05 PM

i need to do this, what is best way to back up my harddrive, it is 80 gigs i believe and probably about 80% full at this point, should i buy second hardrive, or what do you do? i have been getting nervous about this lately and now seeing this post reminds me, i am on windows XP. please let me know easiest way, have a cd burned as well, can i save to a bunch of disks?? would be a hell of a lot of them.

Cleo · 2005-03-12, 07:15 PM

For the backup challenged the Maxtor One Touch is a good solution. I don't use this myself but I know lots that do,

Shannon G · 2005-03-14, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

For the backup challenged the Maxtor One Touch is a good solution. I don't use this myself but I know lots that do,

Damn, that's cool!

... and easy! Looks like I'm gonna be breaking out the cc. lol

Much nicer than saving everything to disks and such. Thanks!

Lunatic · 2005-03-12, 07:19 PM

That sucks. What I like to do is when I get a new PC take the hard drive out of the old PC , put it in the new one and then it's just point and click to make backups of your files. That Maxtor One Touch looks like a good idea too.

babymaker · 2005-03-12, 07:20 PM

thanx, cleo!

that was fast! it looks nce kind of expensive i can buy a second hardrive cheap if someone lets me know just how to dump this one to the new one for back-up. i am sure it can't be that tough.

babymaker · 2005-03-12, 07:22 PM

hey! thats what i want to know lunatic, where is the point and click n windows XP, i just have never done it, but really now need to can buy a harddrive off my comuter guy cheap

Lunatic · 2005-03-12, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by babymaker

hey! thats what i want to know lunatic, where is the point and click n windows XP, i just have never done it, but really now need to can buy a harddrive off my comuter guy cheap

Actually I meant copy and paste your files to the other hard drive. You can just transfer the files you want to backup to the new hard drive, or if you want to make an exact copy of the old hard drive to the new one you can use some software. The software is good for making backups too. Here's a link that tells you how to make transfers and backups pretty easily.
http://www.infinisource.com/features/copy-hd.html

babymaker · 2005-03-12, 07:44 PM

nice! not too hard, thanx! lunatic and cleo!

will buy a 2nd hardrive soon and copy it. just want to be sure, most of my stuff is backed up on my 2 servers but have a lot of other things i need on my HD would be a massive pain in the ass if it crashed

RawAlex · 2005-03-12, 07:49 PM

I have also used a program called casper which not only clones disks, but but can clone smaller disks onto larger drives and format up all the extra space at the same time. It's a pretty powerful program.

Hard drives are cheap and plentiful these days. Don't miss the chance (this comes from a man with about 15 hard drives in the house).

Alex

Cleo · 2005-03-12, 07:49 PM

You can get pretty good deals on the Maxtor drives by going to www.pricegrabber.com or one of the mail order places like PC Mall.
http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/de...pno~404171.asp

Joe · 2005-03-12, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

You can get pretty good deals on the Maxtor drives by going to www.pricegrabber.com or one of the mail order places like PC Mall.
http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/de...pno~404171.asp

IMO, Maxtor drives are sub-par in terms of HD quality and build.

I'd recommend you get Seagate or Western Digital drives.

Just my $0.02.

Cleo · 2005-03-12, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

IMO, Maxtor drives are sub-par in terms of HD quality and build.

I'd recommend you get Seagate or Western Digital drives.

I agree.

But for someone that just needs something real simple to use and not that expensive just for backup they do the job.

cd34 · 2005-03-12, 11:39 PM

While I personally don't like Maxtor/Quantum, having a backup -- even on a cheap drive that isn't spinning 95% of the time is still better than taking a risk and not having a backup.

If you do a backup through an external drive, whether USB, Firewire or whatever and then unplug it and leave it in a file cabinet until your next backup, you still have a much better chance at recovering that data should there be an issue.

MeatPounder · 2005-03-12, 11:55 PM

Hmmm
Cannot understand anyone nowadays not running at least a simple raid 1 on their critical systems. The second Hard drives are cheap enough, and most newer computers with their SATA drives don't even need a controller card to accomplish this.
A raid 1 clones every single thing to the second drive mirroring the primary drive..a tad intensive on older systems, but definately worth it for the absolute redundancy.
The primary dies, you always have a perfect copy available.
Of course one of the higher raids accomplish so much more with the added striping(thus higher performance), but rebuilding an array is beyond most people I've found.
Of course for absolutely vital data, removable backups are important too...even the online options are great and affordable.
But a basic mirror at a minimum should absolutely be part of ones security.

cd34 · 2005-03-13, 12:09 AM

Raid doesn't prevent accidental deletion of a directory tree.
Raid doesn't help if your machine is stolen or burns in a fire.
Raid doesn't help if you get a virus that overwrites your MBR. Raid will faithfully write those changes to the mirror.

Don't get me wrong, Raid is good, but, its still no substitute for making backups, preferably off-site backups.

And I couldn't get Raid-1 working in my laptop -- so, nightly, my laptop is backed up to a storage server that maintains 5 generations on raid. And those are backed up to a disk that goes in the safe on a monthly basis. Recently, I've decided that another backup needs to be maintained at the local bank.

MeatPounder · 2005-03-13, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cd34

Raid doesn't prevent accidental deletion of a directory tree.
Raid doesn't help if your machine is stolen or burns in a fire.
Raid doesn't help if you get a virus that overwrites your MBR. Raid will faithfully write those changes to the mirror.

Don't get me wrong, Raid is good, but, its still no substitute for making backups, preferably off-site backups.

And I couldn't get Raid-1 working in my laptop -- so, nightly, my laptop is backed up to a storage server that maintains 5 generations on raid. And those are backed up to a disk that goes in the safe on a monthly basis. Recently, I've decided that another backup needs to be maintained at the local bank.

You are absolutely right.
Though the first and third are usually quite easily fixed and everything recovered...not always possible with a hard drive failure, and always expensive when it is possible.
You would be surprised how many people actually do their "backups" to a partition on the same drive, or even a second fixed drive in their system and think they are safe.
The Raid is an inexpensive and easy option that only protects against a catastrophic hard drive failure.
It should only be a part of a comprehensive plan to secure your data.
It all depends on how vital you think the data is, and how far you feel you need to go to protect it.
Removable backups are a must either with a removable drive, usb drive, cd/dvd etc...and a copy of that should always be kept in another location then the original...a different building if possible. And as I mentioned with just about everyone having broadband now a days online options are quite attractive for added security

Head Boy · 2005-03-13, 05:50 AM

Just make sure you aren't backing up all the malware and crap that XP lets in these days.

Whatever happened to mirroring and duplexing as alternatives to Raid

zack2004 · 2005-03-13, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Head Boy

Whatever happened to mirroring and duplexing as alternatives to Raid

Mirroring and duplexing = raid1

Head Boy · 2005-03-13, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zack2004

Mirroring and duplexing = raid1

Shows how long it is since I built servers.

I might have a go at duplexing when I switch to Linux - it would make sense for a PC used to build web pages and store content.

SirMoby · 2005-03-13, 07:51 AM

These look expensive until you have a system crash http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10491. I have a couple of them and they run a bit hot and are noisy but they're damn fast. Automated backup software is all of about $50 these days.

Cleo · 2005-03-13, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

These look expensive until you have a system crash http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10491. I have a couple of them and they run a bit hot and are noisy but they're damn fast. Automated backup software is all of about $50 these days.

I've opened up dead LaCie FireWire drives and they have Maxtor drives in them. Kind of pissed me off since LaCie drives tend to cost more then Maxtors.

I personally have a bunch of FireWire drives that I rotate and even keep some off premises just in case something really bad happens.

I keep two versions of my entire boot drive that I've cloned using Carbon Copy Cloner. I also do nightly versioned backups of my laptop's home folder where I keep eight previous versions of all my data using a automatic program called DataBackup.

Last year when the drive in my laptop died I was back up and running in ten minutes booted from an external FireWire drive until my new internal drive arrived and didn't loose anything.

Over at Angel's place we have a bunch of RAIDs made from cheap FireWire drives but as cd34 mentioned they do not protect against data corruption. Since the data is noting but raw video and jpegs on a Mac system which doesn't get viruses it is a risk that we have decided to accept. We have archived important stuff to another set of FireWire drives.

Opti · 2005-03-13, 08:56 AM

http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/g.../features.html

it's $69 and works for me, I hope, as I've never done a restore.

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2005-03-12, 07:15 PM	#5
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2005-03-12, 07:19 PM	#7
Lunatic Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 200	That sucks. What I like to do is when I get a new PC take the hard drive out of the old PC , put it in the new one and then it's just point and click to make backups of your files. That Maxtor One Touch looks like a good idea too. __________________

2005-03-12, 06:02 PM	#3
LadyB WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 43	ugh.. that happened to me once a few years back. Sucks for sure Had another hard drive crash last year but luckily that time I had backups of all of my stuff. It definately pays to take the time to do it.

2005-03-12, 07:20 PM	#8
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	thanx, cleo! that was fast! it looks nce kind of expensive i can buy a second hardrive cheap if someone lets me know just how to dump this one to the new one for back-up. i am sure it can't be that tough. __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-03-12, 07:22 PM	#9
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	hey! thats what i want to know lunatic, where is the point and click n windows XP, i just have never done it, but really now need to can buy a harddrive off my comuter guy cheap __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-03-12, 07:44 PM	#11
babymaker Someone Turn Off The Damn Heat! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Sewer....err.philly i mean Posts: 1,366	nice! not too hard, thanx! lunatic and cleo! will buy a 2nd hardrive soon and copy it. just want to be sure, most of my stuff is backed up on my 2 servers but have a lot of other things i need on my HD would be a massive pain in the ass if it crashed __________________ *Get ElevatedX W/Hosting 99MO!*

2005-03-12, 07:49 PM	#12
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	I have also used a program called casper which not only clones disks, but but can clone smaller disks onto larger drives and format up all the extra space at the same time. It's a pretty powerful program. Hard drives are cheap and plentiful these days. Don't miss the chance (this comes from a man with about 15 hard drives in the house). Alex

2005-03-12, 11:39 PM	#16
cd34 a.k.a. Sparky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL, USA Posts: 2,396	While I personally don't like Maxtor/Quantum, having a backup -- even on a cheap drive that isn't spinning 95% of the time is still better than taking a risk and not having a backup. If you do a backup through an external drive, whether USB, Firewire or whatever and then unplug it and leave it in a file cabinet until your next backup, you still have a much better chance at recovering that data should there be an issue. __________________ SnapReplay.com a different way to share photos - iPhone & Android

2005-03-12, 11:55 PM	#17
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	Hmmm Cannot understand anyone nowadays not running at least a simple raid 1 on their critical systems. The second Hard drives are cheap enough, and most newer computers with their SATA drives don't even need a controller card to accomplish this. A raid 1 clones every single thing to the second drive mirroring the primary drive..a tad intensive on older systems, but definately worth it for the absolute redundancy. The primary dies, you always have a perfect copy available. Of course one of the higher raids accomplish so much more with the added striping(thus higher performance), but rebuilding an array is beyond most people I've found. Of course for absolutely vital data, removable backups are important too...even the online options are great and affordable. But a basic mirror at a minimum should absolutely be part of ones security.

2005-03-13, 12:09 AM	#18
cd34 a.k.a. Sparky Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: West Palm Beach, FL, USA Posts: 2,396	Raid doesn't prevent accidental deletion of a directory tree. Raid doesn't help if your machine is stolen or burns in a fire. Raid doesn't help if you get a virus that overwrites your MBR. Raid will faithfully write those changes to the mirror. Don't get me wrong, Raid is good, but, its still no substitute for making backups, preferably off-site backups. And I couldn't get Raid-1 working in my laptop -- so, nightly, my laptop is backed up to a storage server that maintains 5 generations on raid. And those are backed up to a disk that goes in the safe on a monthly basis. Recently, I've decided that another backup needs to be maintained at the local bank. __________________ SnapReplay.com a different way to share photos - iPhone & Android

2005-03-13, 05:50 AM	#20
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2005-03-13, 07:51 AM	#23
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	These look expensive until you have a system crash http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10491. I have a couple of them and they run a bit hot and are noisy but they're damn fast. Automated backup software is all of about $50 these days.

2005-03-13, 08:56 AM	#25
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	http://www.symantec.com/sabu/ghost/g.../features.html it's $69 and works for me, I hope, as I've never done a restore.