Index doorway trick (or some magic :)

[SortLinks]

To the attention of LL owners and posters!

Looks like some sly guys who post free sites to SortLinks,
begin to use very simple technique to generate doorways.

Theoretically
".. One can put 2 indexes: index.htm and index.html in one folder and then in .htaccess
set any of these pages as default page for the folder... so someone's recips (on the other page) will got off"


Example:
http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/te...ring/index.htm
See the page google indexes :
http://216.239.59.104/search?sourcei...ng%2Findex.htm
Sortlink's recip is out there

some of those guys use this trick to google-cache their own page instead of recips page
http://www.thepantyhose.ws/foot-jobs/index.htm (see google cache)...and all of his free sites.


To free site posters: These are doorways. Please DO NOT use such technique
PLEASE USE structure like that:
domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

To Link List owners: Check your listed sites, I think you may find these examples easily at your LL.
Please watch carefully and post cheaters there...

[Joe]

Hm, interesting.

Nice catch too.

[MadMax]

for what it's worth, the assfuck who owns thepantyhose.ws is blacklisted by me as well as all his other domains. This is just the latest on him. Do a board search and you'll come up with a thread or two in "cheaters"

[Kinky]

it isn't a trick, it has been posted here numerous times to put recips on .htm and .html because every list is starting to demand that they are on an index page... if there are both index.htm and index.html files in the same directory .html is the default and that is what google caches

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by kinky

because every list is starting to demand that they are on an index page

Just curious, how does someone submit to multiple LL's then? Duplicate the page and put it in a new folder? I don't do freesites anymore, but was curious about the process

[Mishi]

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Just curious, how does someone submit to multiple LL's then? Duplicate the page and put it in a new folder?

I think the best way is the example given in the post which started the thread:

domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

You would have one set of images in the site's main directory, referred to as 'site1' above. Then you'd make copies of the html pages, put them in subdirectories, and link to the images in the main directory. Some people copy only the index page and put it in a subdirectory, then link it back to a single main page, but jumping directories can get you rejected at some lists. There are, of course link lists that you'll want to put on the sites true index because of the value of their traffic, or it's abundance.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I think the best way is the example given in the post which started the thread:

domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

You would have one set of images in the site's main directory, referred to as 'site1' above. Then you'd make copies of the html pages, put them in subdirectories, and link to the images in the main directory. Some people copy only the index page and put it in a subdirectory, then link it back to a single main page, but jumping directories can get you rejected at some lists. There are, of course link lists that you'll want to put on the sites true index because of the value of their traffic, or it's abundance.

Ah, I see. So why wouldn't you submit to the top 12 lists only? If you submit to say 120 linklists, putting 12 LL's Recips per page, you're creating 10 duplicate pages and would probably end up getting hosed in the SE's for the duplicate page penalty?

I've noticed this with my tgp gallery pages, I used to SEO all the pages and use text sales pitch. They do get indexed in google, but I get killed because of the the fact there's x number of duplicate pages created.

Sure reducing the LL's to the top 12 would cut down on the initial burst of traffic, but wouldn't it help you in the long run in SE traffic if you did that?

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Some people copy only the index page and put it in a subdirectory, then link it back to a single main page, but jumping directories can get you rejected at some lists.

I did that recently and got turned down at several big lists and I have decided to go back to having multiple directories. As a free site builder I want to standardize my work and make my templates easy to use and not have to change them all the time. It's easier just to put everything in a directory and duplicate it as UW shows.

---art

[ronnie]

Others would argue, the more "different" link backs you have is better. 120 links from 120 different urls is better than 12. So they say...

ronnie

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by ronnie

Others would argue, the more "different" link backs you have is better. 120 links from 120 different urls is better than 12. So they say...

ronnie

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

Course thats a very big question, how much in similarity is duplicate? According to SE's. Probably something that does'nt have a accurate answer.

ronnie

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by ronnie

Course thats a very big question, how much in similarity is duplicate? According to SE's. Probably something that does'nt have a accurate answer.

ronnie

The warning text on most freesites is pretty lengthy though...if you came up with enough variations you might do alright into tricking the spiders.

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

The warning text on most freesites is pretty lengthy though...if you came up with enough variations you might do alright into tricking the spiders.

Yeah,
The best may ever is to use the structure of first post, and modify each doorway's main and gallery pages by hand (pretty much of code-jerking

But as long as every singly index page is filled with diffrent recips this example alone serves well.

[airdick]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

I wonder if the 120 linkbacks would negate the duplicate page penalty. I'm thinking it wouldn't...I guess you could always change the index page enough so it wouldn't be an exact duplicate. Say, change the alt tags and the warning for entering the site might be enough to remove that penalty.

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by airdick

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

Now there's a thought...hmm, interesting.

[Mcbethar]

Originally Posted by airdick

Once the page is full of different recips links it's no longer a duplicate, right?

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps

Mcbethar

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Mcbethar

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps

Mcbethar

TY, looks like a good way to check.

[airdick]

Originally Posted by Mcbethar

Here you got an useful tool (posted by PointingPercy on another thread on the SEO forum) to see if your site may be falling victim to the Google duplicate content filter. Apparently a duplicate rating of 75 - 80% is pretty bad news for your SEP's.
http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php - Duplicate content tool.
Hope it helps

Mcbethar

Assuming that the tool actually reflects Google's reality, the more text-based recip tables you use on your mirrored warning pages the better.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by SortLinks

To the attention of LL owners and posters!

Looks like some sly guys who post free sites to SortLinks,
begin to use very simple technique to generate doorways.

Theoretically
".. One can put 2 indexes: index.htm and index.html in one folder and then in .htaccess
set any of these pages as default page for the folder... so someone's recips (on the other page) will got off"


Example:
http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/te...ring/index.htm
See the page google indexes :
http://216.239.59.104/search?sourcei...ng%2Findex.htm
Sortlink's recip is out there

some of those guys use this trick to google-cache their own page instead of recips page
http://www.thepantyhose.ws/foot-jobs/index.htm (see google cache)...and all of his free sites.


To free site posters: These are doorways. Please DO NOT use such technique
PLEASE USE structure like that:
domain.com/site1/d1/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d2/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html
domain.com/site1/d3/index.html,main.html, gallery.html ,gallery2.html

To Link List owners: Check your listed sites, I think you may find these examples easily at your LL.
Please watch carefully and post cheaters there...

Japamor posts here, maybe he'll reply?

ronnie

[japamor]

Hi All
I've already swapped several Emails with Sortlinks over this. I thought that using index.html and index.htm was just normal practice. I certainly didn't realise that Google always defaulted to the .html.

I presume then that .htm sites have no real use to Free Site makers?
All I can say is that in future all my sites will be on a true index. My apologies to LL owners who've been on my .htm sites.
We live and learn.
japamor

[Jeremy]

Google has this URL in it's DB & look at the "Google Cache of":

http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/teenblondefingering/

which would be whatever the default index page is on the server.

My guess is Google's trying to be "intelligent" about people looking for blah.com/ndex.html or blah.com/index.htm and defaults to blah.com/ if it has it.

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

Google has this URL in it's DB & look at the "Google Cache of":

http://www.japamor.com/sites/teen/teenblondefingering/

which would be whatever the default index page is on the server.

My guess is Google's trying to be "intelligent" about people looking for blah.com/ndex.html or blah.com/index.htm and defaults to blah.com/ if it has it.

I think it caches default page.
the one that is first exist in .htaccees directive:

"Directory index index.html index.htm index.php "
and the one which of course appears after "/" by default

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by SortLinks

I think it caches default page.
the one that is first exist in .htaccees directive:

Though I only have recently starting posting, I've been around this biz for more than year watching, learning, listening. Here are a couple thoughts with all due respect to those it affects.
Its an old bitch between submitters and LL's who want to be on the index.html page. Other than about 12 - 15 LL's, most don't DESERVE to be on the html page... period and those that INSIST on it are petty. Check your server records and if they don't send traffic ask for hardlink exchange somewhere and DUMP them saving yourelf time on the submits they'll come around eventually.
If a LL on its rules page insists on index.html placement, he gets what he asks for, and then the submitter is clever enough to use htaccess to get around it (I would never do this and I really don't know why anyone would, where's the benefit, just piss people off?) then it seems to me a bargain was made and kept and there shouldn't be any crying later. A deal is deal. Stand up. Besides, a majority of webmasters I've seen (most new ones less than a year or so) don't even know what or how to use htaccess.
http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/
More importantly think about the long term. Its not just clicks now, its PR later too. Any page with inbound links from decent sites is going to gain PR. I've done searches and often found several pages from the same site in the results. I almost always check these out on the thought that there must be something there if so many pages are indexed (they will be indexed if you change your content around and work keywords). PR benefit accruses to the LL' too regardless where the pages are or what they end in and actually PR benefit to an LL is greater because the inbound link is usually focused on a category page.
Finally, for submitters making doorwways, I recommend making them logical and intuitive:

yoursite/teens/jan/
yoursite/anal/feb/

or

yoursite/tits/0065a
yoursite/milfs/0065b

and then sticking an index page into the
teens, anal, tits, milfs, directory. This is because surfers (especially porn surfers) are pretty clever themselves and if they like your pages they'll keep digging and just delete off the page id and try and peek into the directory. Your index will come up and you can keep them longer and maybe sell them.
Finally, its really about your site 'cause they'll check that out too and if its quality maybe even bookmark it and come back, and back. I've found that really most of my sales come from my site pages which brought surfers in from a free site submit.
You don't have to and shouldn't just rely on free site sales. If you're not equipped to be here for years then you shouldn't even try. Properly contstructed doorway content (all pages except maybe the pics directory) should be in its own directory, new text, reordered keywords, etc. because there is also going to be a "content size" benefit from the SE's regardless of the placement of that particular page in search. In otherwords you will get a slight ding of your overall sites importance from SE's on the basis of your total site size. IMHO

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by DJilla

Though I only have recently starting posting, I've been around this biz for more than year watching, learning, listening. Here are a couple thoughts with all due respect to those it affects.
Its an old bitch between submitters and LL's who want to be on the index.html page. Other than about 12 - 15 LL's, most don't DESERVE to be on the html page... period and those that INSIST on it are petty. Check your server records and if they don't send traffic ask for hardlink exchange somewhere and DUMP them saving yourelf time on the submits they'll come around eventually.
If a LL on its rules page insists on index.html placement, he gets what he asks for, and then the submitter is clever enough to use htaccess to get around it (I would never do this and I really don't know why anyone would, where's the benefit, just piss people off?) then it seems to me a bargain was made and kept and there shouldn't be any crying later. A deal is deal. Stand up. Besides, a majority of webmasters I've seen (most new ones less than a year or so) don't even know what or how to use htaccess.
http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/
More importantly think about the long term. Its not just clicks now, its PR later too. Any page with inbound links from decent sites is going to gain PR. I've done searches and often found several pages from the same site in the results. I almost always check these out on the thought that there must be something there if so many pages are indexed (they will be indexed if you change your content around and work keywords). PR benefit accruses to the LL' too regardless where the pages are or what they end in and actually PR benefit to an LL is greater because the inbound link is usually focused on a category page.
Finally, for submitters making doorwways, I recommend making them logical and intuitive:

yoursite/teens/jan/
yoursite/anal/feb/

or

yoursite/tits/0065a
yoursite/milfs/0065b

and then sticking an index page into the
teens, anal, tits, milfs, directory. This is because surfers (especially porn surfers) are pretty clever themselves and if they like your pages they'll keep digging and just delete off the page id and try and peek into the directory. Your index will come up and you can keep them longer and maybe sell them.
Finally, its really about your site 'cause they'll check that out too and if its quality maybe even bookmark it and come back, and back. I've found that really most of my sales come from my site pages which brought surfers in from a free site submit.
You don't have to and shouldn't just rely on free site sales. If you're not equipped to be here for years then you shouldn't even try. Properly contstructed doorway content (all pages except maybe the pics directory) should be in its own directory, new text, reordered keywords, etc. because there is also going to be a "content size" benefit from the SE's regardless of the placement of that particular page in search. In otherwords you will get a slight ding of your overall sites importance from SE's on the basis of your total site size. IMHO

Personally I dont see the point in wasting time changing keywords, text alt tags etc on all freesite mirrors making them appear unique to SEs because that time could be spent making your next properly unique freesite. The time it takes you to rewrite say 4 mirrors you probably could have made 3 more new freesites. Thats just the way I see it. I do think it is a good idea but from a time management perspective it doesn't really seem worth it. Thats just me though

The only time i feel it would be worth it is if SEs start to penalize your whole site for excessive duplicate content rather than just giving your duplicate freesites one representative listing. But I have not seen any strong evidence for this as yet.