2257???

Jim · 2005-07-12, 11:46 AM

Now, correct me if I am wrong but only the members of The Free Speech Coalition protected by the delay? Where are all the non member arrests?

Just curious...has anyone even been looked at by the law?

Useless · 2005-07-12, 11:49 AM

I don't know if this counts, but I was arrested just the other day for tea-bagging a lady in the produce section of the grocery store.

Cleo · 2005-07-12, 11:50 AM

I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now?

sue-fl · 2005-07-12, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now?

That would be me Cleo....

Wish I hadn't but I was torn between what to do and what not to do. I'm at that point once again. I have so much content that I had purchased when I first started. No ids or blacked out ones. Call me chicken but not sure if i should or shouldn't use them. Guess I should and not worry about it right??.....

MeatPounder · 2005-07-12, 01:40 PM

Well I was in between anyways...just restarting out so I left the few I had up but haven't done a damn thing in a month.
I'm still not sure how this is all going to end up, but the fact that not much has seemed to happen is a negligeble factor knowing how slow the goverment is to act.

So rather then jumping in to unknown waters, I have slowly obtained all the documentation I could on my owned content...tossed a lot of it that seems never to be fully documented, changed webhosts from my several over to co-location and am working now on the transfers and getting set up there. No rush for me.

It has changed my outlook on tgps as a factor in my new biz plan, for I really believe the day of US webmasters being a force in that segment is passed...along with most sponsor content for the lil guys.

All in all this happened at a good time for me as it wasn't to hard to take a step back and re-evaluate where I wanted to go, and begin to move forward from here.

ladydesigner · 2005-07-12, 02:43 PM

Instead of getting crazy and pulling all my free sites that I didn't have proper documentation for, I've just been busy changing the picture sets on one site a day with content I have model ID's for. Then I resubmit them to places that didn't take them the first time, places I didn't submit to, or that rotated them off their lists ages ago. It's the best I can do with so many sites to fix.

Mr. Blue · 2005-07-12, 02:57 PM

I don't feel silly for removing non-compliant content. The fact remains that the porn industry will always be a target...so, now I make sure I'm a hard target, not a soft one. When I buy content I get all the documentation, nothing blacked out, and the only way the Feds in the future can piss on me is if they want you to supply the dental records of each model.

One thing I think we all learned is there was a lot of people screwing over webmasters during this...hopefully we won't have short-term memory here and remember all the fucksticks that gave us trouble and tried to nickel and dime us to death.

Surfn · 2005-07-12, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleo

I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now?

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again

emmanuelle · 2005-07-14, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfn

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again

Isn't that a little harsh? I don't think that anyone can really be blamed- with so much misinformation, armchair lawyers, general paranoia, and a basic need to keep one's ass out of jail; a little empathy goes a long way.

Surfn · 2005-07-14, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Isn't that a little harsh? I don't think that anyone can really be blamed- with so much misinformation, armchair lawyers, general paranoia, and a basic need to keep one's ass out of jail; a little empathy goes a long way.

In my opinion NO is isn't harsh. All the people that let me know they were taking things down until the dust settled are welcomed back.

guitar riff · 2005-07-15, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Surfn

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again

So surfn are you saying you are punishing people because they are following the law???

just because there haven't been any arrest yet doesnt mean that their won't be and they are just covering their ass.
Myself i would actually look at the sites that did pull content because that tells me they are paying attention and they are serious about the business, and those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later. Just My 2 cents.

Surfn · 2005-07-15, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by guitar riff

So surfn are you saying you are punishing people because they are following the law???

just because there haven't been any arrest yet doesnt mean that their won't be and they are just covering their ass.
Myself i would actually look at the sites that did pull content because that tells me they are paying attention and they are serious about the business, and those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later. Just My 2 cents.

Obviously we hold opposing views. As I said in another thread all who notified me they were taking down their sites or content until the dust settles are welcomed back

tickler · 2005-07-15, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by guitar riff

So surfn are you saying you are punishing people because they are following the law???

...those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later. Just My 2 cents.

I hope that you mean normal stuff that we all consider illegal, and not just what 2257 says.

I'm even considering taking down my 2257 pages that list the content suppliers, and replacing them with a nasty GFY Dubya banner.

Lemmy · 2005-07-15, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tickler

I'm even considering taking down my 2257 pages that list the content suppliers, and replacing them with a nasty GFY Dubya banner.

Feel free to use this one.

Useless · 2005-07-15, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by guitar riff

...and those that didnt pull their stuff if they were illegal I would think to myself HMM if they would cheat the law why wouldn't they cheat me or my surfers sooner or later.

Speeding is illegal, but I'd rather tip a pizza delivery person who speeds because I know my pizza is going to be hot. I never request a slow and conscientious driver when I'm hungry.

lassiter · 2005-07-15, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Surfn

I don't know if they feel silly but I do know I put them on a list and they will never submit to me again

Just for the record, the only sites I pulled over this latest flap were a few older sites promoting Topbucks that used Topbucks content. The content (with one exception) was all softcore and therefore not even subject to 2257, but the sponsor pulled the license to use that material and told all their affiliate webmasters to pull the content down, including banners. I also emailed all the relevant webmasters several days in advance.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be blacklisted merely for following a sponsor's ToS demands.

Jim · 2005-07-12, 11:52 AM

I don't think they feel silly yet. But after a few more months, they might.

Fear Mongers have no place in this business. And I think once this is done and over, we should let them know that.

plateman · 2005-07-12, 11:59 AM

you know I joined the FSC on that sat for 50.00 and never got a confirm email that I was a member - I gotta check my CC statement to see if it went through and I asked if the card got rejected would I hear something and they said yes..

also I havent seen or heard anything new about the hearings on it..

plateman · 2005-07-12, 12:00 PM

oh and fuck the people that pressured others into joining them...

Gnus · 2005-07-12, 11:56 AM

Well scare tactics are a very useful marketing tool. I think the FSC did a great job on that.

Gary

SirMoby · 2005-07-12, 12:32 PM

I was hoping the FSC would be a point of solidarity in this business but they did not seem to make any effort in pulling the industry together. Perhaps one day some organization will be able to pull more then a handful of webmasters together but unfortunately that day has not come.

Maybe one day the Society Of Greater Buffalo Webmasters will be able to do something

binxgook · 2005-07-12, 01:18 PM

Fuck 'em

Greenguy · 2005-07-12, 02:39 PM

I don't feel silly for redirecting every free site & gallery as well as editing every hub & link lists that I own - it's actually a big weight off my shoulders knowing that the odds of them looking at me are very slim now.

I have the feeling that they are probably not going after anyone because of what the FSC did with the injunction & they are waiting 3 weeks (or whenever the next thing is) to see what their next step will be as well.

For all you people that left your non 2257 compliant content up - all the power to ya! If this doesn't go thru, you can sit here all day with "I told you so" type posts.

But if it does go thru.......

Robbo · 2005-07-12, 02:59 PM

I`ve pulled stuff that would present a problem. I was also able to obtain what I needed to save alot of important stuff. I also hope I would never be judged on actions taken under the threat of incarceration. After all they very well could under the current laws though I don`t see it happening. I just have too much to risk in a wife and two little ones underfoot so...

But it is a great opportunity to dig into alot of old stuff and streamline a bit.

Xmovies · 2005-07-12, 03:45 PM

I pulled all free sites and hard banners, for the same risk factors many have stated. Most was sponsor content anyways. Lost a lot of traffic, but it only affected me. I havent ever done tpg or submitting to others.
Would I have to worry about just pages with text and links? I just don't trust them one bit, to leave em an opening even on a questionable banner, plus I cannot keep records or a full-time record place.
This is such a mess, and I am not even sure if I can have porn sites without content without keeping any records at all.
I want absolutely no risk of a visit at all.
Sorry, feels like I live in WWII Germany with a crooked and really evil fake religious twist.

2005-07-12, 11:46 AM	#1
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	2257??? Now, correct me if I am wrong but only the members of The Free Speech Coalition protected by the delay? Where are all the non member arrests? Just curious...has anyone even been looked at by the law?

2005-07-12, 11:49 AM	#2
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	I don't know if this counts, but I was arrested just the other day for tea-bagging a lady in the produce section of the grocery store. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2005-07-12, 11:50 AM	#3
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I think the even bigger question is do the people that pulled all their stuff feel kind of silly now? __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2005-07-12, 02:43 PM	#6
ladydesigner ~Serving Up Sinful Sex ~ Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Missouri City, Texas Posts: 1,928	Instead of getting crazy and pulling all my free sites that I didn't have proper documentation for, I've just been busy changing the picture sets on one site a day with content I have model ID's for. Then I resubmit them to places that didn't take them the first time, places I didn't submit to, or that rotated them off their lists ages ago. It's the best I can do with so many sites to fix. __________________ Porn Pixie XxX ~ Looking for Link Trades

2005-07-12, 02:57 PM	#7
Mr. Blue Searching for Jimmy Hoffa Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 771	I don't feel silly for removing non-compliant content. The fact remains that the porn industry will always be a target...so, now I make sure I'm a hard target, not a soft one. When I buy content I get all the documentation, nothing blacked out, and the only way the Feds in the future can piss on me is if they want you to supply the dental records of each model. One thing I think we all learned is there was a lot of people screwing over webmasters during this...hopefully we won't have short-term memory here and remember all the fucksticks that gave us trouble and tried to nickel and dime us to death. __________________ 69Blue.com ICQ #223487665

2005-07-12, 01:40 PM	#5
MeatPounder Women might be able to fake orgasms But men can fake whole relationships Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl Posts: 2,408	Well I was in between anyways...just restarting out so I left the few I had up but haven't done a damn thing in a month. I'm still not sure how this is all going to end up, but the fact that not much has seemed to happen is a negligeble factor knowing how slow the goverment is to act. So rather then jumping in to unknown waters, I have slowly obtained all the documentation I could on my owned content...tossed a lot of it that seems never to be fully documented, changed webhosts from my several over to co-location and am working now on the transfers and getting set up there. No rush for me. It has changed my outlook on tgps as a factor in my new biz plan, for I really believe the day of US webmasters being a force in that segment is passed...along with most sponsor content for the lil guys. All in all this happened at a good time for me as it wasn't to hard to take a step back and re-evaluate where I wanted to go, and begin to move forward from here.

2005-07-12, 11:52 AM	#17
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I don't think they feel silly yet. But after a few more months, they might. Fear Mongers have no place in this business. And I think once this is done and over, we should let them know that.

2005-07-12, 11:59 AM	#18
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	you know I joined the FSC on that sat for 50.00 and never got a confirm email that I was a member - I gotta check my CC statement to see if it went through and I asked if the card got rejected would I hear something and they said yes.. also I havent seen or heard anything new about the hearings on it.. __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2005-07-12, 12:00 PM	#19
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	oh and fuck the people that pressured others into joining them... __________________ Submit to: Porn O Plenty XXX Links Reality Here

2005-07-12, 11:56 AM	#20
Gnus Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 76	Well scare tactics are a very useful marketing tool. I think the FSC did a great job on that. Gary __________________ ICQ -73665782

2005-07-12, 12:32 PM	#21
SirMoby Jim? I heard he's a dirty pornographer. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,706	I was hoping the FSC would be a point of solidarity in this business but they did not seem to make any effort in pulling the industry together. Perhaps one day some organization will be able to pull more then a handful of webmasters together but unfortunately that day has not come. Maybe one day the Society Of Greater Buffalo Webmasters will be able to do something

2005-07-12, 01:18 PM	#22
binxgook My big ole' fat baby loves to eat Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 689	Fuck 'em

2005-07-12, 02:39 PM	#23
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I don't feel silly for redirecting every free site & gallery as well as editing every hub & link lists that I own - it's actually a big weight off my shoulders knowing that the odds of them looking at me are very slim now. I have the feeling that they are probably not going after anyone because of what the FSC did with the injunction & they are waiting 3 weeks (or whenever the next thing is) to see what their next step will be as well. For all you people that left your non 2257 compliant content up - all the power to ya! If this doesn't go thru, you can sit here all day with "I told you so" type posts. But if it does go thru....... __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2005-07-12, 02:59 PM	#24
Robbo No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Greenguy County, NY Posts: 236	I`ve pulled stuff that would present a problem. I was also able to obtain what I needed to save alot of important stuff. I also hope I would never be judged on actions taken under the threat of incarceration. After all they very well could under the current laws though I don`t see it happening. I just have too much to risk in a wife and two little ones underfoot so... But it is a great opportunity to dig into alot of old stuff and streamline a bit. __________________ The hardest thing for an intelligent man to understand is stupidity.

2005-07-12, 03:45 PM	#25
Xmovies Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10	I pulled all free sites and hard banners, for the same risk factors many have stated. Most was sponsor content anyways. Lost a lot of traffic, but it only affected me. I havent ever done tpg or submitting to others. Would I have to worry about just pages with text and links? I just don't trust them one bit, to leave em an opening even on a questionable banner, plus I cannot keep records or a full-time record place. This is such a mess, and I am not even sure if I can have porn sites without content without keeping any records at all. I want absolutely no risk of a visit at all. Sorry, feels like I live in WWII Germany with a crooked and really evil fake religious twist.