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2005-09-15, 07:33 PM
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Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!
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A friendly debate on what is amateur .
First off this is not ment to start arguments , please keep emotions in check.
OK that being said , I've noticed that for the most part porn surfers and porn providers tend to have a different idea about what amateur is . To many amateur means blurey scanned polaroids , I for one dont think quality defines whether a photo is amateur or not . The price of high end digital cameras has gone down dramatically in the last few years, hell camera phones today take better pic's than digital cams did 5 years ago , and digital cameras are still far ahead . Infact not only have low end digital cams caught up with high end 35mm cams , but high end digital cams are almost up to the level of 64mm cams . The reason I brought that point up is to point out that any joe sixpack can buy a 2 year old digital cam at the pawnshop and take pics at the level of a first semester photography student (because most digital cams ajust lighting and focus etc etc ) . Where I stand on this issue is , its not the quality of the pic its the sets and the model itsself. EXAMPLE: 1. if the background looks too perfect . 2. if the model looks too posed, made up, etc etc ... 3. lighting is too uniform. THINGS I LOOK FOR: 1. Things that make the house look lived in , cig's in the ashtray , movie poster on the wall, beer bottle on the nightstand. etc etc.... 2. a few imperfections here and there . 3. That feeling you get when buy a used car and find a photoalbum under the seat filled with naked 8x10 glossies of the previous owners alchohalic crazy ex from college. To me even if the model is amateur , if the photographer is a pro , and the set looks like something out of playboy ,I will call it pro-am and keep going. So I would like to hear the imput from you guys on what you think of when one says amateur . |
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2005-09-16, 07:42 AM
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I guess for me you get the feeling you are looking at real people engaging in real sex and it does not look staged .
The body language reflects the fact they are truly having sex for pleasure not being told how to do it for the camera. I think true Amateur is normally more spontaneous . Wicked1 |
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2005-09-16, 08:35 AM
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I have about the same openion on defining what amateur is. Personally I prefer the "Pro-Am" content where a amateur model (not modeling educated) appears and the content beeing shot from a professional photograph. The reason why amateur models became so popular on the net? Think it's a bit voyeurism and also the fact that professional porno stars are mostly oversaturated. New faces keeps the dicks getting stiff again and again
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2005-09-16, 09:32 AM
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Oh no, I'm sweating like Roger Ebert
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To me, that is always a confusing category. I use it as a last resort, because I'm never really clear on it.
I never know if it is supposed to be the quality of the photography, if the girl has a 'name' built up or not, or if it's posed or natural activity. |
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2005-09-16, 11:08 AM
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The term amateur has had me confused since 1996. And maybe DannyCox can enlighten all of us. Carol has been in the business since before me. She has sold countless memberships and movies. And yet, she is most definitely considered an amateur. But, would Danni from Danni's Harddrive be considered an amateur?
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2005-09-16, 11:50 AM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
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For me, the girl isn't amateur if I've seen her somewhere else -- which means if a paysite shares content or even their models, I don't really consider it an amateur site.
I don't care about the setting, camera used or lighting, although they can enhance the amateur feel to the photographs. You can put Jenna Jameson in your backyard and shoot pictures of her with a polaroid camera but you'll still end up with porn star content.
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2005-09-16, 01:24 PM
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A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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Ah, the Amateur debate once again. This has been going on for over 10 years! Remember, this is just a term we coined on the 'net back in 1994!
My response is quite simplistic in nature. An "Amateur" is a Woman/Man/Couple who are not involved in any other aspect of adult, and don't use their websites to promote other said aspects. Therefore, a dancer, escort, porn star, etc, shouldn't be considered Amateur. The term really is geared toward the housewife/mother/girlfriend type of website. Most of the early Amateurs were also Swingers who used their sites to meet others (such as we did). You really can't bring money into the debate, since everyone who does this, does it for money in some way. And just because one Amateur is much more successful than another, doesn't cause her to lose that status. We started on the 'net when there were very few people on it, and you really couldn't make a cent. It was all for fun. We were using Mosaic as a browser, Pegasus for e-mail, and you still needed to install Winsock to get your 14.4K modem to dial up to your provider! Your only HTML program was Notepad! But, when the chance to make money came along, we jumped right in! The concept of the website stayed the same, we were just charging for it now. We all have our own ideas as to what "Amateur" means in regards to a website, and this question will never be resolved. And I won't even get into "Corporate Amateur"! |
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2005-09-16, 01:26 PM
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A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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BTW, way, way back, we came across a great little site called jamesandvictoria.com. I thought it was such a cool idea, a husband & wife Amateur site.
Hmmmmm, wonder whatever happened to them?? |
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2005-09-16, 01:39 PM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
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I never really liked the term amateur because to me if you are making money you are NOT an amateur.
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2005-09-18, 05:08 PM
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Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!
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your site has not been amateur in years. What ever happened to free amateur sites ? they are easier to create now than they were when they were more popular. My last site was all free exept for the streaming vid (because it came from 2 sources) . it had tons of pic's (50% I took myself) . Hell people dont even post pic's in newsgroups anymore , they are nothing but spam wastelands now . Now , dreamnet , southern charms , and webhoneys are pay sites but they still have an amateur feel . but alot of what gets passed off as amateur is over produced, and photoshoped to death. I have several pics from vanessa del rio's site she was a pornstar but her pics have the amateur feel (exept for the classic pics). |
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2005-09-18, 08:06 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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On a side, speaking of painfully ugly designs, I'll never understand people who judge a web girl's worth based on how poorly-done her site is. There are the "militant amateur" folk who seem to think that any site that's well-done and have decent photography is just made by some "fake porn star bimbo" and not a "real person". Isn't the very essence of being a real person the ability to learn from mistakes and get better at the things we do? There must come a point for some people where they know how to take better photos and make more user-friendly sites, and they decide to purposefully keep it crappy to not lose their "amateur" appeal. Crazy. |
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2005-09-19, 12:13 AM
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Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!
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as an amateur site becomes more and more proffesional in appearance it makes the girl appear to be less attainable > Like danny said in an earlier thread , many of the early amateur sites were started by swingers looking to show off or meet other swingers , THAT was the ultimat in attainability . When what used to be a true amateur site in look and feel , with pics that looked like they were taking after a long night of drunk passion , only to slowely become a site were the AMATEUR frolics around in what looks like a palace or penthouse suite, you begin to loose what was once the image that "hey I could meet and bang this chick" . |
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2005-09-16, 02:18 PM
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A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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It all comes down to how it sells to the Surfers. Webmaster's opinions don't really count at all in any of this. So the debate truly is moot.
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2005-09-18, 07:16 PM
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My wife is not a doobie to be passed around! On our wedding day I promised to bogart her for life!
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To me amateur means real sex at real locations, no studios or casted models.
You go out and find a girl on the streets take her home and shoot the video or a couple that films their own sex. It's very hard to make a professional amateur site because you won't find that many average girls on the street for a shooting. |
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2005-09-18, 07:47 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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"Amateur" is just another buzz word used to sell 80% of the porn online. It's about as ubiquitous as "horny" or "sluts".
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2005-09-19, 08:10 AM
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Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know?
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This is a very fascinating discussion. I've been struggling over this very question for a while. I just finished my site design, and I'm afraid it might look too flashy to be an amateur site, run and built by me. I want to communicate that I'm approachable and "attainable" as was mentioned earlier in this post. Anyone care to give me an opinion on this? My URL is:
http://www.amylockheart.com Furrygirl... I hear your argument completely about the "militant amateur" folk. I think it's gonna be really tough to be polished enough to compete in a very glossy industry, but 'down-home' enough to appeal to guys who thrive on getting to know the girl on the other side. |
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2005-09-19, 09:09 AM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
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2005-09-19, 03:30 PM
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 The title graphix gives it a glam twist but the site looks like an authentic "amateur" solo site. The cap you wear on one of the tour pages is a nice touch.I know I'm going off topic, but just a quick couple minor things I noticed is you have the bottom thumbs and side area with live cam schedules that repeat on every tour page which may train visitors to ignore parts of your page that repeat. Also, I like the video in the tour, although it would be also cool to have a short sample video of you looking into the camera talking directly to the visitors. Finally, I'm not sure if the phrase "Fan Club" fits with the "attainable" fantasy you're going for.
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2005-09-19, 03:54 PM
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Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once
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It seems like this issue really only effects people who run sites with bought content, and have no hope in hell of seeming "real" to surfers.
Those of us who actually produce our own homemade self-shot content and interact with our members don't need to worry about not seeming "amateur" or "attainable" enough because our members actually get to talk with us, see us on cam, and can tell we're real people at home, not in a studio. We don't need to litter our photos with piles of dirty laundry, moldy dishes, and/or the dregs of our latest white trash party remnants to seem "real" to our members. Do I really need to look like I'm cooking meth on the side to convince people I'm real? I don't think so.
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2005-09-19, 05:39 PM
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Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!
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But that being said I apload you, if you are one of the few that actually listen to your members. |
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2005-09-19, 07:08 PM
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A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one!
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 Again, I will say that what any of us thinks about the term "Amateur" doesn't really matter. All that matters is what the Surfer will buy. We make money, and our affiliates make money, so it still all works for us. |
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2005-09-19, 05:59 PM
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Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos!
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I took your tour and must say I only saw 3 pics that looked amateur (one of the pics on the bottom row). your free pics section was very small (I would suggest 3 - 4 free galleries regulerly updated). But all in all the look and feel of your site is pleaseing. A good thing you have going for you is the fact that your site loads fast , too many girls get a website and go flash crazy which slows down their site, many surfers will give up and move on before the page loads. I wish you good luck . |
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2005-09-19, 06:52 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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2005-09-19, 06:15 PM
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(another one of my thousand ideas for selling porn)
ya know what I wanna try sometime is take one of these single amateur girl sites and get them to take a bunch of pics in a tommys tshirt then put them in the tour and put the tour on my domain and see how that sells
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2005-09-19, 06:34 PM
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ohh my personal preferance
I like when the house that they are shooting in looks a little poor not poor but not really nice something that would fit the avarage single 22 year olds budget
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