what do other LL owners think about new windows

[plateman]

Hi I have a rule no excessive consoles on paysite tours, because some are just plain brutal...

So then I been noticing more and more free sites with banners opening tours in new windows...

free site builders check your links!!!

[Yahook]

Sure it's better when submitter uses "no-popup" links.

[japamor]

Plateman you've just nudged my guilty conscience.

I know I've been guilty of this. Up till now I've never bothered about checking for pop ups on the sponsor pages I'm promoting. It just never occurred to me. Now I am checking, so hopefully you shouldn't have any more problems like this with my sites at least!

[plateman]

yes it was you and I almost banned you twice but didnt because your a good submitter and had a lot of sites listed..

I really dont mind 3 or 4 consoles, but nothing that keeps coming and sponsors who disable the back button and a whole string of BS.. or links that open in new windows most all LL wont have that..

hey take it easy and have a good weekend

[Useless]

I hardly ever check links out to sponsors (because I don't like pop-ups ) so I don't penalize anyone for stuff like that, but I do dislike the opening of a new windows from a free site. (Not that I would notice since I don't bother clicking sponsor links ) My opinion doesn't help, does it?

[MrYum]

I thought most link sites had a no new windows on free sites rule.

If I hit the sponsor tour and can't get back to the free site...that kinda frosts my cahonas. Not necessarily a decline if the rest of the site is really good. But, it sure does taint my view of the site. Really hate sponsors that steal the back button

[japamor]

Plateman
You've just rejected this site, no reason given:
http://www.japamor.com/sites/bbw/fat.../bm/index.html
Its one I did check for pop ups and I've just rechecked it. Did you reject for something else?
Cheers

[plateman]

the very first banner on top http://www.japamor.com/sites/bbw/fat.../bm/index.html opens in a new window, and like I said I dont mind a few popups, but the ones that get me are the ones that get by my pop-up blockers and have page after page of stuff.. and spook the sufer

check your links after your done or before you add them, paste them in a browser and test them... why piss off a buyer that is thinking of joining or he my want to go back to your free site and look at your content again..

also the content on that site I've seen a bunch of times and I even have some of her and wont use it anymore.. if you fix the banner link I'll list it though..

[japamor]

Thanks for the prompt reply Plateman.
I see what you mean about the new window. Now I know! I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.
Cheers

[MrYum]

Yea...I just declined that site for the same reason Japamor

Feel free to fix and re-submit and I'll get it in there for ya

[Chop Smith]

This is not one of my smart ass questions in an effort to stir shit.

Are ya'll talking about opening a new window as in GG hates new windows, but 'This does include those target="new" things.'?
or
Are ya'll talking about popups as in the Hun hates FlashCash for all of the exit consoles?

The reason I think I am confused is if you dlick the top banner as mentioned by Plateman, you can navigate all the way thru the tour and close the new window to go back to the free site. I did not get a popup on exit

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

This is not one of my smart ass questions in an effort to stir shit.

Are ya'll talking about opening a new window as in GG hates new windows, but 'This does include those target="new" things.'?
or
Are ya'll talking about popups as in the Hun hates FlashCash for all of the exit consoles?

The reason I think I am confused is if you dlick the top banner as mentioned by Plateman, you can navigate all the way thru the tour and close the new window to go back to the free site. I did not get a popup on exit

Chop the banner does open a new window target= and thats what LL owners dont like..

I have a no excessive pop-up rule on my LL, which I dont want to list free sites that have them, there are some down right brutal ones out there.. and most of the submitters that submitt to me knows this and he thought that he missed one..

Some LL owners care only that there are none on the free site, but I care if the free site has sponsor links with brutal consoles.. So say a free site surfer finds a free site using platinum bucks and clicks on a banner, there consoles are a little excessive IMO and then he closes all of the shit out and says ok back to the LL and finds another free site with another brutal console sponsor and gets put through the ringer again, then by now he is pissed off and probably wont come back to my site or bookmark the free sites he surfed to maybe join later or next month when his other membership is up...

really If you think about it most tgps has there submitted galleries all console free and the ones that go to a tour can come back and not get lost in console hell.. and those surfers will bookmark and come back and surf tomarro..

take a LL that dont know or check the free site sponsor links and have your hard earned traffic and years worth of bookmarkers and run them through all the brutal consoles on free sites.. I wouldnt come back and go through that shit.. those consoles are wrote to get by the blockers.. sure some consoles are ok that get by my blocker, but anymore than 2 or 3 is the limit for me.. or 1 pop-under is ok..

another thing almost all my pay links are console free and my reason on that is - I want my daily surfers to not be put through the ringer when going back to my page and go to the next pay link and hopefully join before they run out of pay links

[Linkster]

Pretty much a standard rule at most LLs - no new windows - I never really thought there was ever a question about that

As far as the no console thing - Im real tempted to add that to my rules - as first off I dont like them and have almost finished converting all of my links to no console - and with most sponsors outsourcing their console chains now - they dont have control over what their advertisers put in the consoles - or at least they dont monitor it

BTW - my sales have definitely increased with the changeover to no console and a lot more than the difference in payout numbers

[CrazySy]

Originally Posted by Linkster

BTW - my sales have definitely increased with the changeover to no console and a lot more than the difference in payout numbers

Same here, I was getting sick of sponsors adding more consoles to the chain without informing the webmasters. I went ahead and changed majority of the links to no console and saw a great improvement

[plateman]

Originally Posted by CrazySy

Same here, I was getting sick of sponsors adding more consoles to the chain without informing the webmasters. I went ahead and changed majority of the links to no console and saw a great improvement

yup plus you can use that in your sale pitch - click here for a console free tour

some may say well most porn surfers have pop-up blockers, not all and the consoles are wrote to get by those with some sites...

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Pretty much a standard rule at most LLs - no new windows - I never really thought there was ever a question about that

Pretty much a standard rule - No Consoles Or Pop-ups, Or Full Page Ads. However I think GG is one of the few that mentions the opening of new windows. Perhaps, it is just assumed submitters should know this?

What led me to post was the fact that Japamor opened a new window to the sponsor's tour but he did not send surfers to popup hell.

On the stuff I do, I never open a new window and sure as hell hate popups. When I was tgping, I often placed a buffer page between the gallery and sponsor because at that time popups were the fad.

Edited: Maybe my confusion is because I do not interpret consoles and popups as being the same as a targeted window.

[Ramster]

What Linkster said. No new windows means no new windows. End of story.

[Chop Smith]

Sure it all comes down to it is my site and if you don't like the rules you don't have to submit. But is it the end of the story if the rules do not stated no new windows?

[Linkster]

Chop - bascially if the LL owners put every rule that exists out there on their rules page - the page would go on and on forever - most LLs "assume" that free site makers are going to follow "established" free site making guidelines - and there are plenty of examples of things that some might call rules and others just call guidelines - of course the reason for that is also to make sure that our surfers dont get banged around - Id rather have the surfers come back and be able to surf (and possibly convert) for another of my submitters than have them have to turn off their computer and be pissed at me.

Of course there is also the standard "guideline" that after they leave the free site I listed - they belong to the submitter so they can do what they like - however if I see something like what is being discussed - that submitter wont be welcome back

[plateman]

I just read my rules and there is none about new windows, but like linkster said most free site people know thats a standard rule..

more on the consoles thing, I like to use the console links, they pay more but when they are down right brutal and excessive - fuck that shit...

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by plateman

I just read my rules and there is none about new windows, but like linkster said most free site people know thats a standard rule..

Plateman, I hope you do think I was gunning for you. I was just trying to be helpful without calling names. Perhaps, I should have been in my no-post mode as usually I reframe from posting in threads concerning the operations of link list as I am not a link list owner.

In the recent past in researching a project, I read over 250 link lists' rule pages in an effort to summarize the rules of submitting. Most copy Greenguys or those that I respectful call the 'inner circle'. Last week my project required me to take a look at rules related to "new window" and large images opening on html pages.

I read most threads on the board and the title of this your thread sucked me in because of my research. Before I replied to your thread, I reread some rule pages including yours and this - http://www.hfslinks.com/standards.html I am fully aware of the 'new window' guideline but it is not a rule unless included on the rule page. Heres wishing, I had copied Greenguy's rule #3.

Of course everyone could use Greenguy's rule 26 and be safe - If we just plain do not like the site (this happens when I'm in a bad mood).

The point I was trying to make is often we think something is written in our rules because we assume that if we know the unwritten guidelines then everyone should. Not only you. I was also guilty. I further realize that if I tried to defend my omission, I could make an augment that a targeted window is a popup or a console. However, I tend to believe that most surfers and submitters see think of a console and popup as what they see on annoying exit links.

Lets not forget that this submit/list/convert game is like a wheel with three spokes with each being as important as the other one. Even sponsor hosted free sites will never do away with trusted submitters.

[plateman]

No chop I don't think you were gunning for me.. I didnt see any bullet holes anywhere hehe

I do need to redo my rules and make some things a little clearer and cleaner, seems like whenever you write a rule page you always leave something out or its wrote hard to understand..

I looked at your page and thats a good summary of the rules and bypasses a lot of other rules most should know, like linkster said if you but everything on there the page would be to long..

as far as the no new window thing goes LL just don't like it because the other bad things that can be used for it.. actually my blocker wont open a new window unless I turn it off or allow them on sites..

there is I guess a very small angle to have banners or sponsor links open a new window - like if the surfer closes the tour the free site will still be there, or maybe if he mistakenly clicks on the banner after he gets done surfing and closes out and sees another browser window he my open it and look at it...

[Chop Smith]

Okay buddy. I just wanted to make use I didn't piss you off. There are a couple on my "to piss off" list but you were not one of them.

Yes a targeted window could be put to good use occassionly but I agree it should be seldom.

[Xeno]

I know with ours, that excessive popups and close-outs are taboo with us. I will generally be patient with 1, but not when a person first enters a site, regardless of the site (free, AVS, or pay...) or for the ones that reconfigures my browser settings and sizing. For that one, that person is on my evil list. I know some sponsors are REALLY BAD for popups.

[MadMax]

No popups, no target="blank", as GG once said "If I want a new window on a free site I'll open one".