Building freesites for others? I need your advice!

[msanchez]

I have some interest in my offer to build and submit freesites for people as seen here and I just want to check with all the ll's I normally submit too to make sure that I do this the correct way and not jeapordize myself or anyone else.

Really Im just planning on not submitting my own freesites in exchange for submitting others freesites. So its not that I will be multi submitting or doing anything scammy

So I am planning to use my customers email and username but as I thought of that I figured it would cause some confusion. So then I thought well maybe I should use my own email and username as normal but I dont want to jeapordize my own good name

So I figure it was best to just ask you all. Are there any unforseen problems I could create for myself with this project? Is this ok with you guys for me to build and submit freesites for others?

Thanks in advance for the input all!

[MadMax]

You've always submitted good sites to me, and you're on my "trusted submitter" mental list

I allow multiple submissions per day as long as they're not the same cat anyway, so just remember to put your username in the "comments" field on my submit form and you're good with me

[msanchez]

Thanks Max!

Ill be sure to remeber to add my username to your comments field.

I just didnt want to confuse anyone or cause any problems!

[Chop Smith]

This from a very old thread on multiple summits from the same IP. Some good reading there. It is not exactly what you asked but it is similar. Linkster summed it up here - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...02&postcount=8

[msanchez]

Right Chopsmith thats why I stated I wouldnt be submitting my own sites in lew of submitting others sites. So im not looking to multisubmit at all just to be absolutely clear on that

[plateman]

I would just build the sites for them, a lot of big LL script wont let you sub more than 1 site a day... selling the sites is already a big service for most and would steer clear of submitting them... your trusted on my LL but there's a hell of a lot of others out there

[MrYum]

Yea, I accept multiple sites/day too. So much like Max, as long as they're spread across categories...it's all good

Think you may run into some IP issues with other link sites though. I didn't look at the thread Chop posted...but seem to recall that was discussed there.

[msanchez]

hmm maybe Im not following how I will have IP issues? If I just do the standard one submit per 24 hours?

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by msanchez

hmm maybe Im not following how I will have IP issues? If I just do the standard one submit per 24 hours?

I think there is a reason and I don't think it is 24 hr specific. Since Max is the link list script expert in this discussion he might prefer to pm you.

[msanchez]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

I think there is a reason and I don't think it is 24 hr specific. Since Max is the link list script expert in this discussion he might prefer to pm you.

I hope he does because Im really scratching my head here |confused|

I do see if I sending like 10 sites a day for example how that would pop up thats its all being submitted from my same IP, maybe its in the whois info...|

ultimately this project isnt worth it for me if I harm my own name so now Im a bit nervous.

Thanks all for the advice and input you have given me a bit to think about.

[plateman]

every pc broadcasts a unique ip address and LL scripts scans it on a submission and also checks your blacklist.. cheats and multi submitters sub behind a proxy to block there ip.. if I am correct

[Mattinblack]

Originally Posted by plateman

every pc broadcasts a unique ip address and LL scripts scans it on a submission and also checks your blacklist.. cheats and multi submitters sub behind a proxy to block there ip.. if I am correct

Yeah Nearly. Theres lots of problems on banning with IP addresses since a lot of the PC's out there are on dial ups and older networks that have a dynamic pool of addresses - these are only unique for the session that the PC is connected for. Then you have the problem that you can easily change your IP address on most services. Its better to insist on a solid email address (service provider based) and ban that, the nickname, and the date of birth. Some folk try to do it with cookies but you can easily wipe your cookie cache.

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by msanchez

ultimately this project isnt worth it for me if I harm my own name so now Im a bit nervous.

Because you are respected, I don't think the link list owners would mean harm to you. However, there scripts don't know you. If they started issuing overrides, then why have the check in the script?

I would not abandon the project. I might follow Plateman's advice and not submit them.

[Surfn]

Another thing to consider you may sell a particular free site to someone. That person may sell it to a couple more...they do the same thing. Before you know it your free site template is too over used to get listed any where.

[plateman]

my script blocks mult subs from one single ip you could use another email but the ip's will get you unless you use what the cheaters use...

also I been thinking of have multi subs on my LL but the cheaters just fill your admin up - plus all the gallery builders think most LL take galleries..

[msanchez]

well I have 5 set to be submitted this week one a day, so that will be the true test. Im going to cross my fingers and hope for the best

I think maybe we are getting a bit confused as to what Im trying to do and that is not multi submit even to those that allow multiple submissions, so if thats really the main issue that the script will catch something I dont think? there will be an issue as there wont be any sort of multi submissions happening. Ill just be sending 1 site a day just like always, but instead of it being a site I made and submitted for myself it will be a site I built and submitted for someone else.

In the future though I think I will try and avoid the submitting aspect as suggested

Again thanks all for taking the time to help and maybe this thread will be a good helper to those that dont know how to accept advice

[Chop Smith]

[Surfn]

I was referring to multi submitting. I was referring to over used templates. Good luck

[msanchez]

Originally Posted by Surfn

I was referring to multi submitting. I was referring to over used templates. Good luck

I think we were writing at the same time

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by msanchez

I think we were writing at the same time

Seems like it

[Useless]

Just don't do it. Build them, but don't submit them. No matter which email addy or submitter id you use, someone will eventually pull an IP comparison and assume that you are cheating when they see that multiple identities have been submitting from the same IP. They don't have to be from a single day to be considered mulit-submitting. I can hit "Check IP" on any submission and my script will pull up every link ever submitted by anyone on that IP. See how dangerous this could be?

[msanchez]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Just don't do it. Build them, but don't submit them. No matter which email addy or submitter id you use, someone will eventually pull an IP comparison and assume that you are cheating when they see that multiple identities have been submitting from the same IP. They don't have to be from a single day to be considered mulit-submitting. I can hit "Check IP" on any submission and my script will pull up every link ever submitted by anyone on that IP. See how dangerous this could be?

Useless my ass

Thanks bud thats the missing peice of the puzzle. |goodidea

And if I use my own submit name and email a whois check will show that its not my domain... and problems ensue...

I could host the freesites but I doubt that anyone would go for that, and Im sure that has its own set of problems.

Well with that I think they are just going to have to submit themselves.

[MadMax]

As UW said, lots of people including myself track IPs and that's your biggest danger. Different scripts do it differently, and some of us just rely on the ol' noggin and do pretty well with it The multisubmitters I blacklist are the ones using different emails from the same IP.

I wouldn't sub to anyone without prior approval in any case. Getting that sort of approval from all the big LLs, who you obviously want to submit to in order to give value to your customers, will be a big pain in the ass to say the least. Upon further consideration, I'm going to suggest with several others and say build them, but don't submit them yourself

[msanchez]

Boy Im sure glad I asked first about this

[Xeno]

We don't have any issues with multiple site submissions in any period...just as long as it's not like crazy 1000 a day :O Although nice, I think I would have to I.V. some pure espresso through my veins to keep up...lol