what is the diffrence

stuveltje · 2006-03-09, 12:25 PM

whats the difference between toolbar pr and live pr? and which pr is the right pr?

stuveltje · 2006-03-09, 02:46 PM

no answer on this one yet? there are urls which show you google toolbar pr and the live pr .....i realy wanna know what pr is the right one and why showing 2 different prs

Bill · 2006-03-09, 03:43 PM

Well, Stu, google kinda intentionally 'hides' or delays showing the current pr in it's toolbars, so, with the google toolbar, the pr you see is out of date, by between a few days to maybe 4 months.

I don't know what "live pr" tool you are using, but tools like that attempt to use a mathematical formula that checks the pr of the pages linking to the page you are testing, does a few calculations, and show you an approximation of what the pr of the page would be if google were to update pr that day.

Neither pr, the official pr on the googlebar, and the calculated pr from the "live pr" tool, is necessarily the "real pr", but nobody but the google engineers ever really knows the real pr of a page anyway.

stuveltje · 2006-03-09, 04:52 PM

ha thanks bill oke i will show you an link which i use for pr checking in several databases, and it confuse me what the right pr is, bad is i use other pr checkers too and all show different pr results and that sucks huge, because i cant figure out what the real pr is. oke this is one of the urls i use:
http://livepr.raketforskning.com/

stuveltje · 2006-03-09, 04:55 PM

that pr urls is showing my hubs and linksites will show an pr4 in toolbar and an pr5 in live pr, it also shows me an pr5 for my blogs in toolbar and a pr2 or pr3 in live pr, so what the hell i have to pick for real pr, i think i will go for google toolbar

Bill · 2006-03-09, 05:15 PM

Well Stu, let me put it like this. I've never heard of a single serious SE person who uses any of the "live pr" tools for anything.

It's a gimmick. The only real use I can think of for it would be to try to convince somebody your website has a higher pr than the googlebar shows, so that you can talk them into linking to you, or buying your website for a higher price.

Now, if you have a property you are trying to sell, and you think your buyer can be influenced with a higher "live pr" than the googlebar shows, well, it's your choice.

But there is absolutely no guarantee than the 'official' pr the googlbar shows will match the "live pr" when the next pr update comes.

Halfdeck · 2006-03-10, 03:54 AM

Stu, that's what I was using yesterday (or 2 nights ago?) for checking your domain PRs

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Originally Posted by Bill

It's a gimmick. The only real use I can think of for it would be to try to convince somebody your website has a higher pr than the googlebar shows, so that you can talk them into linking to you, or buying your website for a higher price.

That live PR link runs a tool built by one of Jim W's friends and it does a RK lookup on various DC's, including 3 main BD. Jim W suspects that RK might be Google's internal PR. A few will say it's voodoo of course but its interesting nonetheless. Even randish has picked it up, and posted about it on digitalpoint. Personally, I would not call it a gimmick. It is flawed; it doesn't send the site:xxx.com query to Google from what I've read; someone else wrote an ajax code I can run off my desktop, which is what I play with.

Bill · 2006-03-10, 04:31 AM

By gimmick, I mean it's of marginal practical use.

If you think it's not a gimmick, what use would you put it to?

Halfdeck · 2006-03-10, 08:21 AM

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By gimmick, I mean it's of marginal practical use.

If you think it's not a gimmick, what use would you put it to?

For one thing, I wouldn't use "live PR" as a bargaining chip for linktrades

But even if there were no practical uses, as I said it's one piece of the Google puzzle, however small that piece might be, and food for thought when I have a few minutes to kill.

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I don't know what "live pr" tool you are using, but tools like that attempt to use a mathematical formula that checks the pr of the pages linking to the page you are testing, does a few calculations, and show you an approximation of what the pr of the page would be if google were to update pr that day.

To go back to your previous post, this particular script (and a few others I've seen) doesn't do any adding from what I understand. It sends a query to Google, then Google answers back with an XML file. The PR displayed on a page as *Live PR* is a number taken from that XML file.

Future PR probably does involve some math, but I have no clue how that works.

Maj. Stress · 2006-03-09, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stuveltje

that pr urls is showing my hubs and linksites will show an pr4 in toolbar and an pr5 in live pr, it also shows me an pr5 for my blogs in toolbar and a pr2 or pr3 in live pr, so what the hell i have to pick for real pr, i think i will go for google toolbar

One thing to remember, a pr3 on the google toolbar can be anywhere from pr3 to pr3.9. That could cause some of the confusion if the "live" pr that you are using rounds numbers up and down.

stuveltje · 2006-03-10, 12:04 PM

well i have bin focusing today all day on the live pr and the google toolbar, gues what certain moments of the day the google toolbar indeed showd the same result as the live pr i got for my blogs, so my pr5 blog was an pr3 in toolbar certain moment of the day, a couple of hours later it showed again an pr5 in toolbar and later again an pr3, same for my other blogs, so now i do believe the live toolbar has an purpose

stuveltje · 2006-03-12, 12:15 PM

mmmmm me reading all,and i am still not sure if i know now the difference between the live pr and the toolbar pr, on the url i show you it was the first time i saw the name Live pr, what i do know there are several pr checkers and that some all can give an different result when you check the pr of an site, also a thing i dont understand.

stuveltje · 2006-03-13, 02:24 PM

i dont understand any shit of what you all are saying and the worse is i still dont have an good answer what the f... difference is between toolbar pr and live pr.......i will try to find it out myself, one thing i do know, yes some moment of the day the google toolbar shows the live pr result for my blogs or sites.it has to have an reason

2006-03-09, 12:25 PM	#1
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2006-03-09, 02:46 PM	#2
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	no answer on this one yet? there are urls which show you google toolbar pr and the live pr .....i realy wanna know what pr is the right one and why showing 2 different prs __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2006-03-09, 04:52 PM	#4
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	ha thanks bill oke i will show you an link which i use for pr checking in several databases, and it confuse me what the right pr is, bad is i use other pr checkers too and all show different pr results and that sucks huge, because i cant figure out what the real pr is. oke this is one of the urls i use: http://livepr.raketforskning.com/ __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2006-03-09, 04:55 PM	#5
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	that pr urls is showing my hubs and linksites will show an pr4 in toolbar and an pr5 in live pr, it also shows me an pr5 for my blogs in toolbar and a pr2 or pr3 in live pr, so what the hell i have to pick for real pr, i think i will go for google toolbar __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2006-03-10, 12:04 PM	#11
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	well i have bin focusing today all day on the live pr and the google toolbar, gues what certain moments of the day the google toolbar indeed showd the same result as the live pr i got for my blogs, so my pr5 blog was an pr3 in toolbar certain moment of the day, a couple of hours later it showed again an pr5 in toolbar and later again an pr3, same for my other blogs, so now i do believe the live toolbar has an purpose __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2006-03-09, 03:43 PM	#3
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Well, Stu, google kinda intentionally 'hides' or delays showing the current pr in it's toolbars, so, with the google toolbar, the pr you see is out of date, by between a few days to maybe 4 months. I don't know what "live pr" tool you are using, but tools like that attempt to use a mathematical formula that checks the pr of the pages linking to the page you are testing, does a few calculations, and show you an approximation of what the pr of the page would be if google were to update pr that day. Neither pr, the official pr on the googlebar, and the calculated pr from the "live pr" tool, is necessarily the "real pr", but nobody but the google engineers ever really knows the real pr of a page anyway.

2006-03-09, 05:15 PM	#6
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Well Stu, let me put it like this. I've never heard of a single serious SE person who uses any of the "live pr" tools for anything. It's a gimmick. The only real use I can think of for it would be to try to convince somebody your website has a higher pr than the googlebar shows, so that you can talk them into linking to you, or buying your website for a higher price. Now, if you have a property you are trying to sell, and you think your buyer can be influenced with a higher "live pr" than the googlebar shows, well, it's your choice. But there is absolutely no guarantee than the 'official' pr the googlbar shows will match the "live pr" when the next pr update comes.

2006-03-10, 04:31 AM	#8
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	By gimmick, I mean it's of marginal practical use. If you think it's not a gimmick, what use would you put it to?

2006-03-12, 12:15 PM	#12
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	mmmmm me reading all,and i am still not sure if i know now the difference between the live pr and the toolbar pr, on the url i show you it was the first time i saw the name Live pr, what i do know there are several pr checkers and that some all can give an different result when you check the pr of an site, also a thing i dont understand. __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit

2006-03-13, 02:24 PM	#13
stuveltje Live and learn. And take very careful notes! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny Holland Posts: 6,157	i dont understand any shit of what you all are saying and the worse is i still dont have an good answer what the f... difference is between toolbar pr and live pr.......i will try to find it out myself, one thing i do know, yes some moment of the day the google toolbar shows the live pr result for my blogs or sites.it has to have an reason __________________ Canadian Sexlinks - submit Erotica search -submit Last edited by stuveltje; 2006-03-13 at 02:50 PM..