Stand Up for Porn

[Robbo]

I was just watching Showbiz Tonight on CNN and they are having a debate about online porn. They seem to be in attack mode starting in of course with valid concerns regarding children but leading into the dabate about if online porn is dangerous. A poll is available to weigh in on here. http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/

They are also taking email comments for use later in the show at showbztonight@cnn.com

I know polls are`nt much but it is a chance to weigh in on the issue and give them some sane, unzealous and very informed opinions to contrast what will surely be a field day for those with an agenda.

[karomesis]

I know polls are`nt much but it is a chance to weigh in on the issue and give them some sane, unzealous and very informed opinions to contrast what will surely be a field day for those with an agenda.

one could endeavor to pursue this matter, but, like some of them say, do not cast your pearls before swine.

The defining feature of many in opposition to porn is hypocrisy and belief in fairy tales as fact, this prevents me from having a philisophical discussion with them or any dialogue whatsoever based on reason and logic. I may tell them that my reasoning is based on human biology, peer reviewed scientific studies, and evolutionary history; to no avail. They are in the same category as those who disputed the place of the earth in the universe because it did not coincide with their veiws of the earth as the center of it.

Copernicus was imprisoned because he made a statement of fact. But in the end facts did not matter, what mattered was the fickle opinion of the ignorant and uninformed. In one of the many repetitions of history, here we find ourselves yet again in a similar state of affairs. Suffice it to say, the majority of them have far too much misplaced pride in their omniscience, and what can you tell someone who already knows it all?



nothing.

[babymaker]

I voted

[RawAlex]

It is an absurdly stupid question, because it is unframed.

" Do you think that online porn is dangerous? "

Now, here's the rub: Is that snuff porn, child porn, porn spam, rape sites, etc? If that is the case, then I vote YES - it is a danger and a cesspool of humanity.

If it is boy meets girl, girl gives boy blowjob, etc... Nope.

Allowing your underage child on the internet with a webcam and no supervision is overwhelmingly dangerous... no more different from dumping him in downtown LA after dark with no money and no way out.

I saw that camboy / kid whatever testifying in front of the senate today. I had to laugh, because as he told his story, the only thing I could think of was "where the fuck were the parents?" This kid was webcamming from the shower, from his bedroom, bringing in prostitutes and going out to "dates" with strange men. Over the whole time that this was going on, didn't any of the (obvious vacant) parental units catch on that their kid suddenly had a ton of money, lots of toys, and strangely liked taking his computer with him at shower time?

Blaming porn for absentee parents is just fucking overwhelming stupid.

Alex

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It is an absurdly stupid question, because it is unframed.

Polls CNN runs are basically just linkbait. They're more about eliciting user response and a way to keep people from turning the channel for another 15 minutes than finding out what people really think.

"Is online porn dangerous?" -- this question measures perception, not reality. It's like asking "Is Scott Peterson guilty?" to millions of viewers. Their answers are meaningless because the people being asked don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It is an absurdly stupid question, because it is unframed.

" Do you think that online porn is dangerous? "

Now, here's the rub: Is that snuff porn, child porn, porn spam, rape sites, etc? If that is the case, then I vote YES - it is a danger and a cesspool of humanity.

If it is boy meets girl, girl gives boy blowjob, etc... Nope.

Allowing your underage child on the internet with a webcam and no supervision is overwhelmingly dangerous... no more different from dumping him in downtown LA after dark with no money and no way out.

I saw that camboy / kid whatever testifying in front of the senate today. I had to laugh, because as he told his story, the only thing I could think of was "where the fuck were the parents?" This kid was webcamming from the shower, from his bedroom, bringing in prostitutes and going out to "dates" with strange men. Over the whole time that this was going on, didn't any of the (obvious vacant) parental units catch on that their kid suddenly had a ton of money, lots of toys, and strangely liked taking his computer with him at shower time?

Blaming porn for absentee parents is just fucking overwhelming stupid.

Alex

Did you vote or send an email?

[karomesis]

Is online porn dangerous?" -- this question measures perception, not reality. It's like asking "Is Scott Peterson guilty?" to millions of viewers. Their answers are meaningless because the people being asked don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

My sentiments exactly.

But they assume they do, which makes them even worse off. And instead of just being imbecilles, they become dangerous as well because democracy gives the massess power, even if they are completely undeserving of it.

If I don't know something I ask.....yes, even for directions|shocking|

[walrus]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Blaming porn for absentee parents is just fucking overwhelming stupid.
Alex

That definately deserved to be said again.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

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I saw that camboy / kid whatever testifying in front of the senate today. I had to laugh, because as he told his story, the only thing I could think of was "where the fuck were the parents?" This kid was webcamming from the shower, from his bedroom, bringing in prostitutes and going out to "dates" with strange men. Over the whole time that this was going on, didn't any of the (obvious vacant) parental units catch on that their kid suddenly had a ton of money, lots of toys, and strangely liked taking his computer with him at shower time?

Blaming porn for absentee parents is just fucking overwhelming stupid.

Alex:

To answer the question Where the Fuck are the parents?? His father was the one getting him the hookers and filming him.

Blaming Internet Porn is so much easier than holding parents accountable.

My contribution since I didn't know this thread was the cam boy thread.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...66&postcount=6

Simon: I Quote Cosby all the time to my kids especially the GROWN ones.. I just leave off the part about "making another one just like you" .. LMAO.

[bunky2u]

The way of society is that we need to do it all quick and easy. Parenting is far from that... it takes a lot of time and dedication. It's easier to blame porn (or anything else for that matter) for society's ills than it is to actually make a change.

"Is online porn dangerous?"

Is offline porn dangerous? How many times did I sneek a look at mags when I was a kid... I still managed to come out alive and unharmed.

Halfdeck and RawAlex are right in saying that the question is unframed and meaningless, but that's what CNN does best... they are the Goverment cheerleaders in so many ways.

...and how many of those bastrds will go home tonight and spank off to their favorite porn stars?

[Simon]

I voted "No" ... online porn in not dangerous.

I wish I could have voted "Yes" to the question:
"Is online stupidity dangerous?"

Even as an unframed question, I'd vote that online stupidity is more dangerous than online porn.

Parents are such pussies these days. We need a return to the days when "I brought you into this world and I'll take you out" meant something.


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[Useless]

These 'online porn is dangerous' cocksuckers think of the internet as if it's the same thing as broadcast television; a form of entertainment they expect to be prefiltered, regulated, and palatable. Scientifically speaking, they just don't get it.

I was looking for the 'one-sided journalism is dangerous' poll, but didn't see it anywhere? The wording of that simple question itself presuposes that porn is dangerous. Note that they didn't ask if online porn is enjoyable, entertaining, erotic, or some other word of positive connotation.

[babymaker]

Are Catholic Priests Dangerous???

Vote - Yes

Vote - No

[Robbo]

Yeah that is a problem with CNN polls they often are framed badly. But hopefully they heard from a few sane minds like I said. Of course I was`nt able to wtch the whole show because like a responsible parent I did`nt want my kids hearing any of it. The last thing I need is my 4 yr old daughter asking "Daddy what`s child porn?"! That news program was more of a threat to my family than the internet considering I took responsibility for my family and make it so that my children do not come in contact with materials they should`nt.

Which leads me to another comment about some "model sites" that were brought up here not long ago. I then turned on the tv to see a Bratz commercial and also the Kids Bop ones that pretty much depict children in the same fashion. Sluttily dressed and shaking thier asses for any deviant to drool over. Double standards abound no doubt.

They never really deduce that some people are just bad and no matter how family friendly things are they will act out. Hell you can jerk off to lingerie ads in a Sears magazine for cripes sake. Does that makes Sears bad? It`s unfortunate that more and more people don`t want to accept responsibility for thier actions and put aside thier better judgement just to make a few bucks. But that`s the world we live in.

[karomesis]

Thoughts of a universal moral compass are unfounded. There is, as of right now, no logical basis for preference of one set of morals in favor of yet more convientent principles aside from that of evo/bio psychological considerations.

I.E. the environment determines the primary moral compass. If I was born in saudi aurabia I would be far more likely to embrace allah as my destined diety, and the US would have my odds in favor of becoming one form of prgogeny of christianity or another.

I REALLY want to hear these fools come up with the twisted and contorted data to prove the HORRORS|shocking| of pornography.

Show me the data or STFU

[RawAlex]

I do have to give NBC credit... during their version of the "camboy" story, they actually posted up some useful tips and ideas... and in a nice way blamed the collective parents out there.

They suggested not having the PC in a child's bedroom, but in a public part of the house (my sister has hers in the corner of the kitchen... she likes to cook and bake so she is often in there). They also suggested reviewing your child's buddy lists, chatrooms they may visit, and looking at their browsing history to see what they are up to. They also suggested installing or activating filters or "adult site blockers".

All good suggestions, and all the things that we as a group (and the adult industry, IMHO) need to support.

Children are only victims online if they are left alone, ignored, or if the parents are using the internet as the "next babysitter" after TV.

Alex