If you outlaw gay marriage, you need to outlaw divorce. My new hero :)

[Jim]

After all, outlawing gay marriage is supposed to protect the family, right?

http://images1.americanprogress.org/...ln.320.240.mov

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note to the religious right: sit your ass down and shut the hell up!
bunch of hypocrits

good find, jim!!

[Tommy]

I think the video is out of context

he was trying to make a point
a point I thought about around a month ago

if there is any threat to to the family model it is divorce and infidelity
not gay marriage

and if they were truly sincere and their REAL intentions were to protect the family model
then they would have to outlaw divorce

but they wont do that

look at the mental damage done to children from broken homes

compare that to the damage done to children from gay people
you cant compare because gay people have never hurt children or any family

[plateman]

not bringing god into this but if you abide by nature there is man and women, man mates with women, animales mate with the other sex...

if you talk about broken homes and whatnot. how about you being the son of two guys and getting teased that your dad sucks cocks and takes it up the ass or you witness your gay male parnents having sex and you think you want to be gay, and soon after so many years you would have a 70 - 30 gay society,

So If I had anything to do with it I would be 100% agaist gay marriage and any gays having children, come on people look at what the children would have to go through if they had gay parents...

I am not a bible thumper or surport your gov BUT I know what is right and wrong...

out law divorice that would be insane look at all the wife abusers and spouses that are prisoneers in there own life....

[Useless]

Dude...what?

Originally Posted by plateman

not bringing god into this but if you abide by nature there is man and women, man mates with women, animales mate with the other sex...

So you are saying that all homosexual activity is unnatural? You do realize that homosexual activity occurs in many other species, right? Some species are asexual, by their nature. Should we kill all those sick asexual fuckers?

Originally Posted by plateman

if you talk about broken homes and whatnot. how about you being the son of two guys and getting teased that your dad sucks cocks and takes it up the ass

You may not have heard this, but a great many women suck cock and take it up ass. So, by your thinking, they should be outlawed too. Sluts.

Originally Posted by plateman

...or you witness your gay male parnents having sex and you think you want to be gay

Have you seen gay porn? Did it make you want to run out and suck a cock? That's an EXTREMELY ignorant statement. Having knowledge of gay sex does not make somenone, who doesn't already have gay tendencies, want to have gay sex. There is nothing unnatrual about gay sex. Nothing. Do some reading and you'll find that a surprising amount of otherwise "straight" men have had some type of gay sex experience in their lifetime.

Originally Posted by plateman

...and soon after so many years you would have a 70 - 30 gay society,

Yes, homosexuality is a pandemic disease we should all be concerned about. I think you're not only homophoebic, but nuts to boot.

Originally Posted by plateman

So If I had anything to do with it I would be 100% agaist gay marriage and any gays having children, come on people look at what the children would have to go through if they had gay parents...

Holy fuck, plateman! Have you met MY parents? No? Lucky you. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm not willing to embarass myself and my family, I could tell you the horrible shit I witnessed as the child of straight parents.

Originally Posted by plateman

BUT I know what is right and wrong...

Prove it. I'm really quite disgusted by your opinion, as I'm sure you are by mine.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I think the video is out of context

he was trying to make a point
a point I thought about around a month ago

if there is any threat to to the family model it is divorce and infidelity
not gay marriage

and if they were truly sincere and their REAL intentions were to protect the family model
then they would have to outlaw divorce

but they wont do that

look at the mental damage done to children from broken homes

compare that to the damage done to children from gay people
you cant compare because gay people have never hurt children or any family

I think that was the context the video was in, Tommy. It was easy to see that he was just making a point.

[Cleo]

Personally I would just like to see bigots banned from having children.

[Fonz]

He seemed to talk a lot about murray

[Tommy]

plateman
thats a good point
we should protect the kids from being teased at school

so lets make a law against fat people from getting married
because fat people may have fat children and those kids will get teased at school and we could stop the obesity epidemic

and lets stop ugly people from getting married cause ugly people may have ugly children and those kids might get teased at school

and maybe we should stop stupid people from getting married

OR BETTER YET

Maybe they should pass a law that stops pornographers from getting married and/or having children, because their children might see some porn and then grow up and think that they wanna be in porn

think about this

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

[Toni KatVixen]

Originally Posted by Tommy

plateman

think about this

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Not only do people not understand that, but they never remember this : "--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

That to me speaks volumes of our founders frame of mind on what you had to do to for those "pursuits"

[Cleo]

Doesn't really matter what it is called in the end as long as same sex couples can get the same rights as opposite sex couples enjoy.

It is sad how many of my same sex couple friends have paid their life savings to someone of the opposite sex to marry one of them so that they can stay in this county.

On the plus side one of the major hospitals here, Holy Cross Hospital, just announced that domestic partners can not get health benefits.

Ironically the same sex couple that own the house right next door to me were able to get two houses homesteaded since their marriage is not recognized as legal.

The whole issue of discrimination against same sex couples reminds me of the laws against interracial marriages that were on the books in the last century.

[SirMoby]

Banning gay marriage is about 2 things.

1. Simple hate. Blacks couldn't marry whites for a long time because of hate. No other reason.

2. Money. Corporations don't need to offer benefits to same sex domestic partners.


No one has come up with even a reasonable sounding argument against gay marriage.

I hear all the time that marriage is a centuries old tradition and shouldn't be changed. Of course women should still be property and divorce should be illegal.

There's the talk that marriage is for making children but we allow infertile couples and elderly to marry.

I've probably read and heard the views of 50 to 100 people and there's never been anything that even resembles a reason outside of hate or money.

Personally I don't care about the issue. I look at politics from the point of view of protecting my daughter. If gay people get married in MA that doesn't affect my daughter in any way shape or form so I don't care.

[sue-fl]

This is how I feel. Why can't gay people do what we do. If your gay and fall in love and want to get married you should be able to. It's the same thing straight people strive to do. A relationship is based on love and respect for each other, so if you happen to be gay you don't deserve that? I have never understood this. As far as having kids, just because you gay you shouldn't have that right?? Your are born to be straight or gay, being raised by gay parents is not going to make you gay that is a stupid statement another one I've never understood.

Kids will always find something to tease someone about, it's part of growing up and we've all been threw it, and have survived it.

A home consists of a couple, or single parents raising and loving their kids, the rest doesn't matter.

[Toni KatVixen]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Banning gay marriage is about 2 things.

1. Simple hate. Blacks couldn't marry whites for a long time because of hate. No other reason.

Actually those laws weren't created mainly out of hate, even though hatred maintained them. They came out economics and not wanting to enslave whites. When the colonies were starting white indenture servants and what few slaves there were lived side by side and created social units. They were afraid that if they started to intermarry and have children (especially since the child carries the mother's status) that it would turn people off to slavery.

They were too high minded to want to enslave their own kind. They justified indenturing their own kind since it was a "payment" plan. Even though as soon as a female had a child, her service was extended due to the cost of the child and then the child itself had to make payment through service. Creating several generations of indenture families until slave out took it by shear numbers.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Tommy

so lets make a law against fat people from getting married
because fat people may have fat children and those kids will get teased at school and we could stop the obesity epidemic

My husband was very skinny and very black..i'm so banned on many levels.

[Tommy]

well.......
I see it as a religious issue

since its mostly religious people that are against gay marriage
and they justify their bigotry by pointing to the bible


I think its disgusting that this is 2006 and stuff like this still goes on

and its always the same story with Christians
you live the way my god tells you to live, or else

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.