Making free sites sucks

JD · 2006-11-29, 07:42 AM

Yes, I'm a cranky old 35 yo bastard who thinks its bloody hard work making silly little free sites each day, for what, a sale a week if I'm really lucky. I am impatient, and wanting results, not knowing if I'm doing the right thing, using the right sponsors and giving them enough time.
I used to do many sales a day, a long time ago, now I would be happy with a couple a day, that alone would make me delirious right now, how sad is that?
You turn around and a months gone past and u have like 3 sales or something, wohoo, lol. Snow ball effect, yes I hear about it, I hope its real and the traffic will go up, I'm just wondering if I am doing the right thing by just concentrating on one site a day and submtting it to all the sites, maybe I should be trying to make 4 or 5 a day and submit to different LL for each one, maybe that would boost the traffic up.
You really need lets say 5k clicks to a sponsor a day to do 4 or 5 sales (if your lucky right? based on FS traffic) a day, thats a shit load of traffic, I wonder if it will ever get to that level. Then I think, maybe I should try to generate the traffic using paid passes etc for galleries, but then its a risk u might not get your investment back. I probably should do more each day, do some gals and blogs as well, it all takes its toll mentailly I think, keeping on trying to keep doing stuff, at least until some sales start flowing.

Sure I can get them listed, and I have the templates and link lists down ok, the process is streamlined as best it can be I suppose, its still depressing though.
Then I got a sale today, one crappy little sale from a gallery I had listed a couple weeks ago and suddenly one sale makes me feel good. Havent done consistent sales for a long long time, probably because I dont do the same thing every day for 6 months to give it a go, but should I be making free sites every day? Is it worth it more than it is to create and submit galleries each day? I know a couple years ago it definitely was worth it for the free sites, as they did get some good search traffic a month or so after the submission.
Yes I suppose its better than working at Mcdonalds. I have to give full credit to those of u that make your money from free site creation, and webmasters in general who rely on it for their livelihood, its very hard to work by yourself and try to do something that makes money, at least it is for me right now.

I find it hard to keep your mind on the ball and focus every day, even though your not doing sales. Have been slackish for one or two days and now the traffic just dries up (what little there was), how depressing, I suppose there may be residual SE traffic over time, I suppose I"m just too impatient. I do enjoy making them, its a good challenge to not get that rejected email from mr mary lou

Seems like it will take a long time to create an income flow, perhaps I should make a link list or two like others on here, at least then it will be more niche traffic coming in by some submitters.

Oh well, another day tomorrow, I'll get up and try to get motivated to make my little free sites with the hope that they may bring in some sales, maybe picking more sponsors and trying them is the go as well, then you have to start all over again with new sales pitches, new banners, blah blah blah. Yes, better than working at Mcdonalds, but maybe thats where I will end up if I cant get back to making money in adult. Sorry about the long boring rant, I thought it would be good to air it in the noobs section, cos the bottom line is I'm just a noob, one that used to do well, but cant get back on the damn wagon!!!

trip99 · 2006-11-29, 09:49 AM

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades.
Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi.
Sad but true, sorry

Useless · 2006-11-29, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by trip99

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

So your contention is that no one signs up to paysites anymore...but then you suggest he starts his own program? Let me get this straight. No on joins paysites so he should start his own paysites. Okay. Got it. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by trip99

To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades.
Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi.
Sad but true, sorry

Oh, and I agree. Building/submitting free sites does suck.

KG Gary · 2006-11-29, 11:29 AM

Building them is quite nice, but I find that submitting gets to be a bit of a pain.

After building and submitting freesites for eight months I pretty much make a sale per day now, so people do sign up and money can be made.
At various points along the way I try and tweak something, or buy a new domain for a new hub, or start a little webcam site, all gradually building up my little porn-galaxy.
It seems to be working....slowly but surely. Almost every month has seen an increase in traffic & sales all round, but sometimes there are scary weeks where I have doubts. If that happens I just carry on building anyway and maybe concentrate on freshening up my outlook with a new little project.

I'm sure that pretty good money can be made with freesites only, and my current numbers seem to suggest this is possible with enough hard work, but to get enough to live on you probably need to create your own little world of networked freesites/hubs/ etc to keep Mr Surfer in amongst your ads even if he thinks he's already left.

Did that make sense?

SheepGuy · 2006-11-30, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by trip99

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades.
Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi.
Sad but true, sorry

That is a total and complete crock of shit

Diversify. Work on short term stuff for part of your day, long term stuff for the rest. Prosper. Think like the smart farmer who plants more than one crop. Diversify.
And don't let dipshits who thought it was all about free money and failed when work was involved get you down.

JD · 2006-11-30, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

That is a total and complete crock of shit

Diversify. Work on short term stuff for part of your day, long term stuff for the rest. Prosper. Think like the smart farmer who plants more than one crop. Diversify.
And don't let dipshits who thought it was all about free money and failed when work was involved get you down.

Your obviously a good worker and have moved with the times SG, see, I havent even got around to converting some free sites to avs sites or even my old ones that I mentioned in that other thread with you man

So what was that a couple weeks ago? And I havent got round to doing them, its 11.30am in the morning and although been at the pc for hours, I havent really achieved shit today, LOL, and now the crickets on, so bloody hell, I think I might plan next weeks stuff, and try to stick witht hat each day and re-assess next Friday, LOL. However, I'm trying to design my own custom site hub which hopefuly may have some lasting results when it eventually gets a bit of SE traffic etc.

SheepGuy · 2006-12-01, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JD

Your obviously a good worker and have moved with the times SG, see, I havent even got around to converting some free sites to avs sites or even my old ones that I mentioned in that other thread with you man

So what was that a couple weeks ago? And I havent got round to doing them, its 11.30am in the morning and although been at the pc for hours, I havent really achieved shit today, LOL, and now the crickets on, so bloody hell, I think I might plan next weeks stuff, and try to stick witht hat each day and re-assess next Friday, LOL. However, I'm trying to design my own custom site hub which hopefuly may have some lasting results when it eventually gets a bit of SE traffic etc.

Aaah don't kick yourself, porn and my wife are both put on hold for hockey (fucking Leafs)

One thing I do though is religiously make a list every day about things I should do the next day. Then half of it slides by undone as new shit to do today or tomorrow comes up. Every couple of weeks or so I look through the old lists, pick the stuff out I really should have done but didn't and toss the rest.
And ya gotta take breaks, spend time with the wife, go to the pub, hang out with buddies.
A hub is a good start biz wise though, anythings better than doing the same thing all day every day, and it's long term so you can do a bit every day.

But cricket? Dude, don't they take breaks for tea?

Now rugby, there's a sport!!

DJilla · 2006-12-20, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

And ya gotta take breaks, spend time with the wife, go to the pub, hang out with buddies.

So true or else what's the point?

Also, if your an MS sort of guy you can use the Tasks feature of Outlook and go mad as the Task reminders list grows by half each additional day.

JD · 2006-12-22, 06:54 AM

Hi Tommy
Any chance of a submit pass? Or when will you be releasing some more of them

HowlingWulf

Thanks for the post, nice to have some positive feedback. Right now 5k would be fantastic, would pay the stupid mortgage and live off it. At the moment, my last sale was like a week and a half ago, and thats with submitting at least a free site a day to 60 odd link lists. Its just so slow and painful at the moment. How long have you been at it for?
What do you use for your submitting? I was using chameleon a while ago, with no paid passes though, just a few partner accounts and all the other sites in the database.
With your galleries, do you make them yourself or use the FHG ones and upload them? WIth so many thousands of FHG released every day, do you think its ok to use them on your own server for submitting with?
Good stuff with the work anyhow, I am so humble these days, I dont know what its like to make 5k a month anymore, so I consider you a big guy in terms of money, so there lol

ronnie
Thanks a lot for the link to that program and your advice also, all taken in and appreciated, regards
JD

HowlingWulf · 2006-12-22, 12:33 PM

Hmm I 'started' about 6 or 7 years ago, and it took me awhile to get into it fully. I wish I knew then what I know now.

For submitting, I use my own script which is similar to G.A.S.S. it keeps a database of sites and creates mirror pages of my gallery based on niche and recips based on size. I use Arles to help create the gallery and Irfanview to hand crop images as needed. I type the html code by hand with a VI editor. I submit by hand to each site on my list (about 50), with some filling help with Roboform. Never submit FHG to sites or even use those designs. TGP owners list those themselves and won't accept them from submitters, some will even ban you for that.

Spend some time surfing some big TGP sites, the top galleries usually have great designs. Mine are rather simple in comparison I dont use any fancy graphics.

Tommy · 2006-12-23, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

Hi Tommy
Any chance of a submit pass? Or when will you be releasing some more of them

!

ummm....I guess I could let a few go
I sent you a PM

anyone else intersted ???

Jollyperv · 2006-12-02, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by trip99

forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites...

I'm starting "Link List 2" this week...who's with me?

Mr Exotic · 2006-12-02, 05:17 PM

Hey JD missed this thread, I havent been on the board other than just checking in for a few minutes a couple days ago for a while. Been busy and crazy here, the wife had every single one of her teeth pulled yesterday (has some kind of deteriorating jaw bone disease that is hereditary) she's been passed out on pain meds and I gotta wrangle the little heathens and try to get something done at the same time. When she is awake from the pain meds she's being a phsyco bitch from hell because she cant smoke at all, so quitting smoking on top of all that other shit.

Like I was saying before man, its all about just sticking with it, and even then you are gonna still have bad times, last month was my worst month of the year, the last week of the month was what I am hoping a complete fluke, there are a couple of reasons that I know for sure contributed to this, so at least I know what went wrong. The first thing is that a new site I started promoting changed all their content, at first they were doing better than any site I had ever promoted before, so I thought hell I am gonna go balls to the wall with this site the rest of this month, then they changed all their content and I went from getting 7 sales with the first 1800 hits sent (and they count more hits than most sponsors) to getting 2 sales the rest of the month! Then the other (my poor wife), my wife had a buch of doctors appointments and shit to go to, not only for her mouth, but this last July hurt herself at work and we just finalized getting that all taken care of and she just a week ago was realeased from her restrictions, I have been running her all over the whole fucking state of Indiana to see all these different doctors for her various ailments instead of making and submitting free sites, I probably missed at least 10 days of submitting in November.

Yeah it does suck and I have been feeling burnt out for the last few months, but like you said it sure beats the hell out of working at McDonalds. My wife works hard at peice of shit factory where they actually sit there and time people with a fucking stopwatch and if you aint fast enough you get bitched out big time, and if your a new person and aint fast enough to get the boot your first day, my wife has been working there busting her ass for close to 3 years now I think and they said they couldnt afford to give raises this year, so she might be making like 80 cents more an hour than what she was when she first started.

She gets up at 4:30 in the morning drives 20 miles there to start at 6 and goes full speed until 2:30 then drives 20 miles home. On my worst months we make about the same (like last month), but pretty much every month I make at least 25-30% more than she does. And I get up whenever the fuck I want to, go to bed whenever the fuck I want to. I wake up in the morning sit and watch the news, drink my coffee until my poor pathetic ass thinks I am ready to go and get some work done. And by work, I mean sitting on my ass looking at porn, make some web pages, then go to more porn sites, fill out some simple forms (for which I have software for) and click the submit button. I should have it so hard, haha.

When I start feeling bad for myself and thinking oh damn how am I ever gonna go on, I am so burned out, if I have to make another gay sex movie site I am gonna puke, etc. I just think about my wife's day, and the shit she puts up with from her boss. I mean if I actually count the hours of actual work I do (not reading boards, reading articles, chatting, getting side tracked and finding myself reading about the Cubs, Colts, and Pacers, but actually dealing with content and buidling pages) I probably only work a couple hours a day on most days, now there are days where I have extra to do and there might be a couple 12 hour days a month, but the average day consists of very little actual work. After thinking about all that, haha, I always come to the conclusion that gee maybe I dont have it so hard after all.

I know I went thru a stage exactly like what you are doing right now man. I got so used to making easy huge money hand over fist with little or no work at all, or work a bunch for a while and then not have to do anything for months. My work day back in the day used to consist of looking at my traffic trade script stats and chat with the other webmasters I traded with about how drunk and fucked up we got the night before, making the money in 2 days what I now make in a month. I used to go from different thing to different thing because surely there has got to be something no one is telling me about, there has gotta be that one hidden secret, and no one will let the cat out of the bag. I always gave up on shit before I even fully figured it out, because I had gotten so spoiled, got so used to making so much money with so little effort. I went on for a long time like that not making money at all.

Then I got my wake up call, I had a few little side jobs here and there that sucked, had a paper route (what a fucking joke), but the one thing that got to me the most that I had to do or become homeless was WORK AT WALMART!! HAHAHA, I worked in the garden center. I loaded 40lb bags of dirt into people's mini vans, once loaded so many patio blocks into a station wagon that the exhaust was dragging on the ground.

Basically man I figured this out, the big secret is that there is no secret, you just gotta keep on keeping on. If you aint happy with something fix it, always go thru and see if there are things you can do better. I know my mind runs continuously 24/7 about how I could tweak this or improve that. Your best two friends when making free sites are hard work and time.

JD · 2006-12-04, 09:41 PM

Wow. nice post Mr Exotic!

Sorry to hear about your wife, that sounds terrible, I had one root canal that collapsed and had to have it basically shattered and ripped out of my mouth (was a molar!) back in New Years Eve of 2000 and that sucked ass (especially as I was on heavy pain killers and stupidly drank that night as it was new years eve lol). I HATE to think of the pain involved with a full mouth of teath being removed, that would suck man!!! Is she going to have just false teeth to replace them as I suppose anything fancy would cost the earth, especially in the states.

No wonder November sucked with all the shit you had to do, so at least you know the reason behind it, you needed to have your robot at home making all the sites for you while you werent there.

I dont do gay sex sites anymore, just sticking to the straight ones, I used to do em for avs but I would rather do something I at least like doing, so no more gay sites for me! Are they converting good btw? (gay sites)

I think these days its hard to bloody pick sponsors, I just find ones I never knew existed, and it takes years to find out which ones are good, thats why I have decided to go back to some of my old faves I started out with that are still going today.

You guys always hanging it on that walmart store, the people that own that chain are like right behind bill gates as richest in the world, or somewhere up there any how, I reckon a similiar job here would be to work at bunnings, which is this shitty garden supply chain store, hehe.

Take it easy man, sounds like u got it much harder than I have,

regards

JD

Cleo · 2006-11-29, 09:55 AM

I hear that Walmart is hiring

Xallow · 2006-11-29, 11:34 AM

It made perfect sense Gary and I agree with pretty much everything You said

annie_cash · 2006-11-29, 11:36 AM

why are we making freesites then??? I started working on this because of the so called snowball thing, thats why I still keep on working on the damned freesites. But all I see is people complaining they dont get money, now I'd really like to know if its actually true you can make decent cash out of this. And Im not just talking about the "big ones" but everyone who actually works to get this thing done. Otherway this wouldnt have any sence, please someone set this clear!

japamor · 2006-11-29, 12:04 PM

You can certainly make a living from Free Sites.
They last a hell of a long time, if not forever, and will continue to get hits for years to come. But yes, they should be incorporated into a larger network of sites. The snowball effect does work but you can't just sit back and wait for it to happen.
Keep working, keep building, and watch the magic begin!

Bill · 2006-11-29, 04:06 PM

It ain't like it used to be, that's for sure.

It's gotten worse in '06, too.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in '07.

Maj. Stress · 2006-11-29, 04:18 PM

JD,
Why just focus on free sites? If you build and submit one free site a day, you should have plenty of time left to build some sites for search engines where you can be more aggressive with your sales approach.

It does take some time to get listed in the search engines (sometimes 9 months to a year) and you will be spending some extra time doing link trades to hopefully increase your position in the serps, but this is traffic that keeps on selling for years.

Don't just focus on one thing. If for example you use an "exit" link on your free sites you can exit to a nice mainstream and search engine friendly site of your own that has adsense ads on it. All those clicks that pay anwhere from a few cents to ??$$ adds up real fast.

JD · 2006-11-29, 07:44 PM

Thanks guys for your comments, this forum is nice and positive, and I shall try to keep learning and reading

@ Cleo - We dont have walmart in Australia, it would be kmart or target or maybe best for less lol

Useless · 2006-11-29, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

@ Cleo - We dont have walmart in Australia, it would be kmart or target or maybe best for less lol

Count your blessings. I've worked at Wal-Mart. Damn, I hate hearing myself say that.

JD · 2006-11-29, 11:18 PM

I dont think theres ANY shame in working anywhere in the world at any place. You still have your dignity (there are limits of course, like Deuce bigallows dad who cleans shitters, but hey, people like doing that too, as he did) People with shitty jobs sometimes work harder than lazy asses like ourselves that sit at computers. My opinion anyhow, I tend to respect some kid working at Mcdonalds as much as some other dude working down a mine, they are all just trying to make a living

However, personally, its much harder (mentally) trying to make yourself do something that you "hope" will make you enough money to buy a loaf of bread, as opposed to going to a job where u know what to do and there is a pay check at the end of the day.

Preacher · 2006-11-30, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Count your blessings. I've worked at Wal-Mart. Damn, I hate hearing myself say that.

My wife just said, "I can just see it now, 'welcome to Walmart you cocksucker!'"

Useless · 2006-11-30, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Preacher

My wife just said, "I can just see it now, 'welcome to Walmart you cocksucker!'"

I never wore a blue vest and I NEVER did that fucking cheer. I worked in the photo lab. My customer service skills were so well-honed that the same old man threatened to bring me outside and kick my ass twice in one day.

2006-11-29, 07:42 AM	#1
JD Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 107	Making free sites sucks Yes, I'm a cranky old 35 yo bastard who thinks its bloody hard work making silly little free sites each day, for what, a sale a week if I'm really lucky. I am impatient, and wanting results, not knowing if I'm doing the right thing, using the right sponsors and giving them enough time. I used to do many sales a day, a long time ago, now I would be happy with a couple a day, that alone would make me delirious right now, how sad is that? You turn around and a months gone past and u have like 3 sales or something, wohoo, lol. Snow ball effect, yes I hear about it, I hope its real and the traffic will go up, I'm just wondering if I am doing the right thing by just concentrating on one site a day and submtting it to all the sites, maybe I should be trying to make 4 or 5 a day and submit to different LL for each one, maybe that would boost the traffic up. You really need lets say 5k clicks to a sponsor a day to do 4 or 5 sales (if your lucky right? based on FS traffic) a day, thats a shit load of traffic, I wonder if it will ever get to that level. Then I think, maybe I should try to generate the traffic using paid passes etc for galleries, but then its a risk u might not get your investment back. I probably should do more each day, do some gals and blogs as well, it all takes its toll mentailly I think, keeping on trying to keep doing stuff, at least until some sales start flowing. Sure I can get them listed, and I have the templates and link lists down ok, the process is streamlined as best it can be I suppose, its still depressing though. Then I got a sale today, one crappy little sale from a gallery I had listed a couple weeks ago and suddenly one sale makes me feel good. Havent done consistent sales for a long long time, probably because I dont do the same thing every day for 6 months to give it a go, but should I be making free sites every day? Is it worth it more than it is to create and submit galleries each day? I know a couple years ago it definitely was worth it for the free sites, as they did get some good search traffic a month or so after the submission. Yes I suppose its better than working at Mcdonalds. I have to give full credit to those of u that make your money from free site creation, and webmasters in general who rely on it for their livelihood, its very hard to work by yourself and try to do something that makes money, at least it is for me right now. I find it hard to keep your mind on the ball and focus every day, even though your not doing sales. Have been slackish for one or two days and now the traffic just dries up (what little there was), how depressing, I suppose there may be residual SE traffic over time, I suppose I"m just too impatient. I do enjoy making them, its a good challenge to not get that rejected email from mr mary lou Seems like it will take a long time to create an income flow, perhaps I should make a link list or two like others on here, at least then it will be more niche traffic coming in by some submitters. Oh well, another day tomorrow, I'll get up and try to get motivated to make my little free sites with the hope that they may bring in some sales, maybe picking more sponsors and trying them is the go as well, then you have to start all over again with new sales pitches, new banners, blah blah blah. Yes, better than working at Mcdonalds, but maybe thats where I will end up if I cant get back to making money in adult. Sorry about the long boring rant, I thought it would be good to air it in the noobs section, cos the bottom line is I'm just a noob, one that used to do well, but cant get back on the damn wagon!!!

2006-11-29, 11:29 AM	#4
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	Building them is quite nice, but I find that submitting gets to be a bit of a pain. After building and submitting freesites for eight months I pretty much make a sale per day now, so people do sign up and money can be made. At various points along the way I try and tweak something, or buy a new domain for a new hub, or start a little webcam site, all gradually building up my little porn-galaxy. It seems to be working....slowly but surely. Almost every month has seen an increase in traffic & sales all round, but sometimes there are scary weeks where I have doubts. If that happens I just carry on building anyway and maybe concentrate on freshening up my outlook with a new little project. I'm sure that pretty good money can be made with freesites only, and my current numbers seem to suggest this is possible with enough hard work, but to get enough to live on you probably need to create your own little world of networked freesites/hubs/ etc to keep Mr Surfer in amongst your ads even if he thinks he's already left. Did that make sense? __________________ Sponsors that used to convert with freesites Over 700 clean freesites

2006-12-02, 05:17 PM	#13
Mr Exotic rifuckingdiculous Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cornfield in Indiana Posts: 532	Hey JD missed this thread, I havent been on the board other than just checking in for a few minutes a couple days ago for a while. Been busy and crazy here, the wife had every single one of her teeth pulled yesterday (has some kind of deteriorating jaw bone disease that is hereditary) she's been passed out on pain meds and I gotta wrangle the little heathens and try to get something done at the same time. When she is awake from the pain meds she's being a phsyco bitch from hell because she cant smoke at all, so quitting smoking on top of all that other shit. Like I was saying before man, its all about just sticking with it, and even then you are gonna still have bad times, last month was my worst month of the year, the last week of the month was what I am hoping a complete fluke, there are a couple of reasons that I know for sure contributed to this, so at least I know what went wrong. The first thing is that a new site I started promoting changed all their content, at first they were doing better than any site I had ever promoted before, so I thought hell I am gonna go balls to the wall with this site the rest of this month, then they changed all their content and I went from getting 7 sales with the first 1800 hits sent (and they count more hits than most sponsors) to getting 2 sales the rest of the month! Then the other (my poor wife), my wife had a buch of doctors appointments and shit to go to, not only for her mouth, but this last July hurt herself at work and we just finalized getting that all taken care of and she just a week ago was realeased from her restrictions, I have been running her all over the whole fucking state of Indiana to see all these different doctors for her various ailments instead of making and submitting free sites, I probably missed at least 10 days of submitting in November. Yeah it does suck and I have been feeling burnt out for the last few months, but like you said it sure beats the hell out of working at McDonalds. My wife works hard at peice of shit factory where they actually sit there and time people with a fucking stopwatch and if you aint fast enough you get bitched out big time, and if your a new person and aint fast enough to get the boot your first day, my wife has been working there busting her ass for close to 3 years now I think and they said they couldnt afford to give raises this year, so she might be making like 80 cents more an hour than what she was when she first started. She gets up at 4:30 in the morning drives 20 miles there to start at 6 and goes full speed until 2:30 then drives 20 miles home. On my worst months we make about the same (like last month), but pretty much every month I make at least 25-30% more than she does. And I get up whenever the fuck I want to, go to bed whenever the fuck I want to. I wake up in the morning sit and watch the news, drink my coffee until my poor pathetic ass thinks I am ready to go and get some work done. And by work, I mean sitting on my ass looking at porn, make some web pages, then go to more porn sites, fill out some simple forms (for which I have software for) and click the submit button. I should have it so hard, haha. When I start feeling bad for myself and thinking oh damn how am I ever gonna go on, I am so burned out, if I have to make another gay sex movie site I am gonna puke, etc. I just think about my wife's day, and the shit she puts up with from her boss. I mean if I actually count the hours of actual work I do (not reading boards, reading articles, chatting, getting side tracked and finding myself reading about the Cubs, Colts, and Pacers, but actually dealing with content and buidling pages) I probably only work a couple hours a day on most days, now there are days where I have extra to do and there might be a couple 12 hour days a month, but the average day consists of very little actual work. After thinking about all that, haha, I always come to the conclusion that gee maybe I dont have it so hard after all. I know I went thru a stage exactly like what you are doing right now man. I got so used to making easy huge money hand over fist with little or no work at all, or work a bunch for a while and then not have to do anything for months. My work day back in the day used to consist of looking at my traffic trade script stats and chat with the other webmasters I traded with about how drunk and fucked up we got the night before, making the money in 2 days what I now make in a month. I used to go from different thing to different thing because surely there has got to be something no one is telling me about, there has gotta be that one hidden secret, and no one will let the cat out of the bag. I always gave up on shit before I even fully figured it out, because I had gotten so spoiled, got so used to making so much money with so little effort. I went on for a long time like that not making money at all. Then I got my wake up call, I had a few little side jobs here and there that sucked, had a paper route (what a fucking joke), but the one thing that got to me the most that I had to do or become homeless was WORK AT WALMART!! HAHAHA, I worked in the garden center. I loaded 40lb bags of dirt into people's mini vans, once loaded so many patio blocks into a station wagon that the exhaust was dragging on the ground. Basically man I figured this out, the big secret is that there is no secret, you just gotta keep on keeping on. If you aint happy with something fix it, always go thru and see if there are things you can do better. I know my mind runs continuously 24/7 about how I could tweak this or improve that. Your best two friends when making free sites are hard work and time. __________________ Submit Free Sites/Galleries Last edited by Mr Exotic; 2006-12-02 at 05:32 PM..

2006-11-29, 09:55 AM	#15
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	I hear that Walmart is hiring __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2006-11-29, 11:34 AM	#16
Xallow Hello, is this President Clinton? Good! I figured if anyone knew where to get some tang it would be you Join Date: May 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 447	It made perfect sense Gary and I agree with pretty much everything You said __________________ Porn Safe Submit Free Sites Porn Party Porn Submit Free Sites

2006-11-29, 09:49 AM	#2
trip99 If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 37	forget about it, there is too much free porn so people do not buy anymore adult membership paysites... To make money now, you have to invest $400,000k to make an affiliate platform or at least 10k if you want to start a Free site and feed it with traffic to grow your trades. Others than these 2 options, you will spend time and money and will not get your roi. Sad but true, sorry

2006-12-22, 06:54 AM	#9
JD Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 107	Hi Tommy Any chance of a submit pass? Or when will you be releasing some more of them HowlingWulf Thanks for the post, nice to have some positive feedback. Right now 5k would be fantastic, would pay the stupid mortgage and live off it. At the moment, my last sale was like a week and a half ago, and thats with submitting at least a free site a day to 60 odd link lists. Its just so slow and painful at the moment. How long have you been at it for? What do you use for your submitting? I was using chameleon a while ago, with no paid passes though, just a few partner accounts and all the other sites in the database. With your galleries, do you make them yourself or use the FHG ones and upload them? WIth so many thousands of FHG released every day, do you think its ok to use them on your own server for submitting with? Good stuff with the work anyhow, I am so humble these days, I dont know what its like to make 5k a month anymore, so I consider you a big guy in terms of money, so there lol ronnie Thanks a lot for the link to that program and your advice also, all taken in and appreciated, regards JD

2006-12-22, 12:33 PM	#10
HowlingWulf Me fail English? That's unpossible! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,381	Hmm I 'started' about 6 or 7 years ago, and it took me awhile to get into it fully. I wish I knew then what I know now. For submitting, I use my own script which is similar to G.A.S.S. it keeps a database of sites and creates mirror pages of my gallery based on niche and recips based on size. I use Arles to help create the gallery and Irfanview to hand crop images as needed. I type the html code by hand with a VI editor. I submit by hand to each site on my list (about 50), with some filling help with Roboform. Never submit FHG to sites or even use those designs. TGP owners list those themselves and won't accept them from submitters, some will even ban you for that. Spend some time surfing some big TGP sites, the top galleries usually have great designs. Mine are rather simple in comparison I dont use any fancy graphics.

2006-12-04, 09:41 PM	#14
JD Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 107	Wow. nice post Mr Exotic! Sorry to hear about your wife, that sounds terrible, I had one root canal that collapsed and had to have it basically shattered and ripped out of my mouth (was a molar!) back in New Years Eve of 2000 and that sucked ass (especially as I was on heavy pain killers and stupidly drank that night as it was new years eve lol). I HATE to think of the pain involved with a full mouth of teath being removed, that would suck man!!! Is she going to have just false teeth to replace them as I suppose anything fancy would cost the earth, especially in the states. No wonder November sucked with all the shit you had to do, so at least you know the reason behind it, you needed to have your robot at home making all the sites for you while you werent there. I dont do gay sex sites anymore, just sticking to the straight ones, I used to do em for avs but I would rather do something I at least like doing, so no more gay sites for me! Are they converting good btw? (gay sites) I think these days its hard to bloody pick sponsors, I just find ones I never knew existed, and it takes years to find out which ones are good, thats why I have decided to go back to some of my old faves I started out with that are still going today. You guys always hanging it on that walmart store, the people that own that chain are like right behind bill gates as richest in the world, or somewhere up there any how, I reckon a similiar job here would be to work at bunnings, which is this shitty garden supply chain store, hehe. Take it easy man, sounds like u got it much harder than I have, regards JD

2006-11-29, 11:36 AM	#17
annie_cash Hello, is this President Clinton? Good! I figured if anyone knew where to get some tang it would be you Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montevideo Posts: 449	why are we making freesites then??? I started working on this because of the so called snowball thing, thats why I still keep on working on the damned freesites. But all I see is people complaining they dont get money, now I'd really like to know if its actually true you can make decent cash out of this. And Im not just talking about the "big ones" but everyone who actually works to get this thing done. Otherway this wouldnt have any sence, please someone set this clear!

2006-11-29, 12:04 PM	#18
japamor I Love Turkish Delight, they're very moreish. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 578	You can certainly make a living from Free Sites. They last a hell of a long time, if not forever, and will continue to get hits for years to come. But yes, they should be incorporated into a larger network of sites. The snowball effect does work but you can't just sit back and wait for it to happen. Keep working, keep building, and watch the magic begin! __________________

2006-11-29, 04:06 PM	#19
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	It ain't like it used to be, that's for sure. It's gotten worse in '06, too. It'll be interesting to see what happens in '07.

2006-11-29, 04:18 PM	#20
Maj. Stress Progress rarely comes in buckets, it normally comes in teaspoons Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dark Side Of Naboo Posts: 1,289	JD, Why just focus on free sites? If you build and submit one free site a day, you should have plenty of time left to build some sites for search engines where you can be more aggressive with your sales approach. It does take some time to get listed in the search engines (sometimes 9 months to a year) and you will be spending some extra time doing link trades to hopefully increase your position in the serps, but this is traffic that keeps on selling for years. Don't just focus on one thing. If for example you use an "exit" link on your free sites you can exit to a nice mainstream and search engine friendly site of your own that has adsense ads on it. All those clicks that pay anwhere from a few cents to ??$$ adds up real fast.

2006-11-29, 07:44 PM	#21
JD Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 107	Thanks guys for your comments, this forum is nice and positive, and I shall try to keep learning and reading @ Cleo - We dont have walmart in Australia, it would be kmart or target or maybe best for less lol

2006-11-29, 11:18 PM	#23
JD Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 107	I dont think theres ANY shame in working anywhere in the world at any place. You still have your dignity (there are limits of course, like Deuce bigallows dad who cleans shitters, but hey, people like doing that too, as he did) People with shitty jobs sometimes work harder than lazy asses like ourselves that sit at computers. My opinion anyhow, I tend to respect some kid working at Mcdonalds as much as some other dude working down a mine, they are all just trying to make a living However, personally, its much harder (mentally) trying to make yourself do something that you "hope" will make you enough money to buy a loaf of bread, as opposed to going to a job where u know what to do and there is a pay check at the end of the day.