At the risk of being controversial...

jayeff · 2007-04-28, 12:07 PM

Which is not my intent, but there are only two options: say nothing or...

Not only does this board have a long thread about anti-Zango measures, but I believe it was started by and contributed to by one of the board owners.

If I'm mistaken about that, then I apologize, but if I'm not wrong, does anyone else see a conflict between being opposed to Zango and taking ads from SexSearch?

What prompted this post was visiting here this morning to grab some code from that thread and the first banner I saw top and center, was SS. They are one of the sponsors most often associated with Zango and one of the most unrepetentant.

It strikes me as symptomatic of many of the ills in this industry that we criticise people for their methods, while at the same time doing business with them as usual. Is it surprising that the complaints are rarely taken seriously?

T Pat · 2007-04-28, 12:54 PM

I enjoy controversial topics

just as long as I'm not the topic

oldbrad · 2007-04-28, 01:04 PM

I'm not up on sex search, but yes if they use zango it would be more hypocritical than conflict of interest. Saying aff is bad for using zango, but using another sponsor that uses it. That is, IF they are using zango.

I personally wont touch any zango related sponsors ever, knowingly.

Jim · 2007-04-28, 04:29 PM

I have said since last year that we would never participate in any kind of a list or witch hunt. Mostly because during our research we saw many, many sponsors being used by zango. Most of the sponsors I notified, never knew they were being used. A lot of these sponsors were called out on other boards. And the only thing they did wrong was to not know about zango. Next, I have never been a big fan of McCarthyism. Unless I see incontrovertible proof that a sponsor is using zango, I will not say or do anything.

So far, the only real proof I have seen was one program admit to both using them and then stop using them because it was not profitable anymore. And my comments about that program was more about how stupid it was to say either. I have really never said anything about them using zango...just the poor business decisions that came from it.

Last year, I contacted all our sponsors that I found on zango and told them how to demand to be placed on zango's exclusion list. That is really the only way to truly not support zango. Otherwise, any affiliate could still use them. As far as I know, all our sponsors being used by zango that were with us last year, have sent that letter. And only one has been added as of today. I am guessing that zango is in no rush to add them.

I learned from running the Good, Bad and Ugly back in the day that going after sponsors for something that you are not 100% sure about is a slippery slope. It's not one that I ever want to go down again. This is why I decided to educate the surfers through adwaresucks.com/wembasters instead of a witch hunt. Too many good people get hurt.

But, if anyone has real proof that any sponsor is doing anything that can hurt webmasters, pm me. I am not against pulling any sponsor that hurts webmasters. Remember though, I am not blind, I am not stupid and I do get around. I have seen all the posts, all the links and even the Amazon Book Cover

I have still not seen incontrovertible evidence about any sponsor other than one.

I have been told to expect a statement. But I admit, that was some time ago.

Useless · 2007-04-29, 09:13 AM

If AFF would have offered to skin this board or purchase advertising, we probably wouldn't have heard of much about their involvement with Zango here.

From what I've read, SexSearch doesn't even deny that they accept Zango traffic. I assume they purchase keywords from Zango as well.

Gnus · 2007-04-30, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If AFF would have offered to skin this board or purchase advertising, we probably wouldn't have heard of much about their involvement with Zango here.

From what I've read, SexSearch doesn't even deny that they accept Zango traffic. I assume they purchase keywords from Zango as well.

Both SexSearch and SexBankRoll haven't denied or even responded regarding the use of zango. I think the silence regarding the activity they are doing is making them look very guilty in my opinion.

Gary

Gnus · 2007-04-30, 08:44 AM

Here is some evidence found from another board regarding SexBankRoll. You can decide for yourself regarding their use of zango.

Quote from another Board by will76:

After doing a little research, ( 2 mins on google looking for sbrjmp ) it is very obvious that SexBankRoll owns the url sbrjmp.com Images from that url have been used on your website, newsletters, by your employees, etc.

For the last 6+ months one of the biggest advertisers on zango has been using that url.

Pages like http://www.sbrjmp.com/m2/15.html and http://www.sbrjmp.com/cam8/8.html which promote 18oncam.com (owned by sexbankroll) are all over zango for months. Does that look like an affiliate url ?

Here is another image coming from that url http://www.sbrjmp.com/nl/vod/sbrNLvod.jpg

MrSexBankRoll's Reply to zango and spyware:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSexBankroll from another board
Only for you, and only here, Smoking Dawn, will I answer this. Sexbankroll does not buy traffic from Zango. We have had many affiliates in the past whom we have caught buying Zango traffic and pointing it to their sites which had our banners on them. Obviously, we were surprised when we launched at the sheer number of affiliates who did do this. It has been a tough job policing this, and we will say this: we do not tolerate spam or anyone who steals traffic. I hope this answers your question

Personally, I would not work for a company that would steal or misrepresent.

Curious though, how does anyone change affiliate codes like those that say Zango does? How are they still in business if they are practicing something illegal? They would be shut down, would they not?

R
So if you wouldn't work for a company that would steal why are you still working at Sexbankroll. It is pretty apparent that they use zango which steals traffic from everyone here and this had been going on for several months.

In response to the urls posted above he replies:

Quote:
Ironically, you seem to know a lot more about zango then i do!

That shouldn't be there, and i have no idea who that is. Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it

R
and also he replied to smokingdawn's post:

Originally Posted by SmokingDawn
Well crap!
18oncam.com is being promoted on zango on http://www.sbrjmp.com/m2/15.html Isn't this site owned by sexbankroll??

that www.sbrjmp.com site comes up a lot on zango.

sbrjmp.com also does not appear to be an affiliate of sexbankroll. It looks like it is owned by them.

So if you don't use them why is this happening?

MrSexbankroll: " Alright, we cancelled the affiliates account. Thanks!

R "

Not only does that not look like an " affiliate url " but the page still works and it has been over 2 months.

Gary

Jim · 2007-04-30, 04:42 PM

Greenie's connection sucks so he asked me to post this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If AFF would have offered to skin this board or purchase advertising, we probably wouldn't have heard of much about their involvement with Zango here.

From what I've read, SexSearch doesn't even deny that they accept Zango traffic. I assume they purchase keywords from Zango as well.

FUCK ME! I typed up a nice long reply & my connection timed out & I lost it

UGH!

I can honestly say that if AFF was an advertiser on the board when this all broke, that we would have pulled the ads - remember, they came out and admitted using it.

Sex Search is a different story. Like Jim said, we went to each board sponsor to either inform them about Zango (some had no idea what it was) or get their comments on Zango. Sex Search's name was brought up in a lot of Zango threads & we were told by them that they did not allow Zango traffic & that they were going to release a statement saying so.

Then the holidays came & then Vegas & then the Super Bowl & I completely forgot that they did not release a statement of any kind until I saw this thread Saturday.

So let me just say that this issue has been resolved & will never rear it's ugly head again

Jim · 2007-05-01, 09:28 AM

This just sprang to mind. And, I am also not trying to cause controversy. But, I just looked at the adwaresucks numbers. Since Sparky and I opened it, we have educated 1,086,427 unique infected surfers about zango.

That compels me to ask, besides bashing us for not joining a witch hunt and honoring a contract. What else have you actually done to really fight zango? I see Gary continuously bumping zango threads on GFY but does that really do anything but desensitize webmasters?

Again, no drama...just if you are doing something real, we would like to help.

Gnus · 2007-05-01, 09:40 PM

I understand where you coming from Jim with desensitizing webmasters but what about those who don't visit boards every once in while or those who just started as webmasters and when they do visit the boards they see advertising for the same companies that got ousted by webmasters for doing shady stuff to steal from webmasters. These posts fall to the way side which show evidence of these companies stealing from webmasters but they are still advertising plus doing contests and what not on the boards so they benefit from the roaming webmaster and new webmasters. Just doesn't make sense to me is all. I know I heard it before money is what matters right?

Gary

Greenguy · 2007-05-01, 10:24 PM

Gnus - by that thinking, there must be 100+ threads around here that should be bumped what...every week? 2 weeks? month? 2 months?

Maybe you can post a page that links to all the threads that you think are important to newbies & weekend webmaster, throw that in your sig file & then they'd have a handy place to start?

I think Jim & I clearly explained what happened with Sex Search as far as this board goes - unless you think our excuse (and it is an excuse) is not a legit excuse?

Gnus · 2007-05-01, 10:37 PM

I understand where your coming on SexSearch because they haven't made a statement regarding the matter but their silence on the matter doesn't look good for them. Yes in their situation in can be affiliates buying keywords. I'm glad you took a stance on SexBankRoll and removed there link from this page http://www.greenguysboard.com/main/welcome.html and haven't seen a ad yet for them either. Your advice on the sig sounds like a good one and I think I'll do that. Thanks for the tip.

Gary

Greenguy · 2007-05-01, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

I understand where your coming on SexSearch because they haven't made a statement regarding the matter but their silence on the matter doesn't look good for them....

I agree 100% - and our problem was that we were told by them that they were going to be releasing a statement - a statement that we are all still waiting on.

We learned a lesson in this one as well

Will76 · 2007-07-15, 12:52 AM

SexSearch still going strong with Zango.

And for those of you who don't know, Jayeff passed away about a month ago. RIP jayeff.

SheepGuy · 2007-07-15, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will76

And for those of you who don't know, Jayeff passed away about a month ago. RIP jayeff.

I was thinking that myself, and wondering why anyone would resurrect a thread he started so long ago

Jayeff was a great guy who I disagreed with at times. But he was a great guy and it is truly sad that his time was so short.

2007-04-28, 12:07 PM	#1
jayeff Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 95	At the risk of being controversial... Which is not my intent, but there are only two options: say nothing or... Not only does this board have a long thread about anti-Zango measures, but I believe it was started by and contributed to by one of the board owners. If I'm mistaken about that, then I apologize, but if I'm not wrong, does anyone else see a conflict between being opposed to Zango and taking ads from SexSearch? What prompted this post was visiting here this morning to grab some code from that thread and the first banner I saw top and center, was SS. They are one of the sponsors most often associated with Zango and one of the most unrepetentant. It strikes me as symptomatic of many of the ills in this industry that we criticise people for their methods, while at the same time doing business with them as usual. Is it surprising that the complaints are rarely taken seriously?

2007-04-28, 12:54 PM	#2
T Pat You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Paridise Posts: 3,244	I enjoy controversial topics just as long as I'm not the topic __________________ How To Keep An Asshole In Suspense I'll Tell You Later

2007-04-28, 01:04 PM	#3
oldbrad It is better to watch things then to do them Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: oregon Posts: 485	I'm not up on sex search, but yes if they use zango it would be more hypocritical than conflict of interest. Saying aff is bad for using zango, but using another sponsor that uses it. That is, IF they are using zango. I personally wont touch any zango related sponsors ever, knowingly. __________________ Help MrMaryLou Link to his Chubby TGP & Chubby Links on your sites and blogs.

2007-04-29, 09:13 AM	#5
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	If AFF would have offered to skin this board or purchase advertising, we probably wouldn't have heard of much about their involvement with Zango here. From what I've read, SexSearch doesn't even deny that they accept Zango traffic. I assume they purchase keywords from Zango as well. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2007-04-30, 08:44 AM	#7
Gnus Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 76	Here is some evidence found from another board regarding SexBankRoll. You can decide for yourself regarding their use of zango. Quote from another Board by will76: After doing a little research, ( 2 mins on google looking for sbrjmp ) it is very obvious that SexBankRoll owns the url sbrjmp.com Images from that url have been used on your website, newsletters, by your employees, etc. For the last 6+ months one of the biggest advertisers on zango has been using that url. Pages like http://www.sbrjmp.com/m2/15.html and http://www.sbrjmp.com/cam8/8.html which promote 18oncam.com (owned by sexbankroll) are all over zango for months. Does that look like an affiliate url ? Here is another image coming from that url http://www.sbrjmp.com/nl/vod/sbrNLvod.jpg MrSexBankRoll's Reply to zango and spyware: Quote: Originally Posted by MrSexBankroll from another board Only for you, and only here, Smoking Dawn, will I answer this. Sexbankroll does not buy traffic from Zango. We have had many affiliates in the past whom we have caught buying Zango traffic and pointing it to their sites which had our banners on them. Obviously, we were surprised when we launched at the sheer number of affiliates who did do this. It has been a tough job policing this, and we will say this: we do not tolerate spam or anyone who steals traffic. I hope this answers your question Personally, I would not work for a company that would steal or misrepresent. Curious though, how does anyone change affiliate codes like those that say Zango does? How are they still in business if they are practicing something illegal? They would be shut down, would they not? R So if you wouldn't work for a company that would steal why are you still working at Sexbankroll. It is pretty apparent that they use zango which steals traffic from everyone here and this had been going on for several months. In response to the urls posted above he replies: Quote: Ironically, you seem to know a lot more about zango then i do! That shouldn't be there, and i have no idea who that is. Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it R and also he replied to smokingdawn's post: Originally Posted by SmokingDawn Well crap! 18oncam.com is being promoted on zango on http://www.sbrjmp.com/m2/15.html Isn't this site owned by sexbankroll?? that www.sbrjmp.com site comes up a lot on zango. sbrjmp.com also does not appear to be an affiliate of sexbankroll. It looks like it is owned by them. So if you don't use them why is this happening? MrSexbankroll: " Alright, we cancelled the affiliates account. Thanks! R " Not only does that not look like an " affiliate url " but the page still works and it has been over 2 months. Gary __________________ ICQ -73665782

2007-04-28, 04:29 PM	#4
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	I have said since last year that we would never participate in any kind of a list or witch hunt. Mostly because during our research we saw many, many sponsors being used by zango. Most of the sponsors I notified, never knew they were being used. A lot of these sponsors were called out on other boards. And the only thing they did wrong was to not know about zango. Next, I have never been a big fan of McCarthyism. Unless I see incontrovertible proof that a sponsor is using zango, I will not say or do anything. So far, the only real proof I have seen was one program admit to both using them and then stop using them because it was not profitable anymore. And my comments about that program was more about how stupid it was to say either. I have really never said anything about them using zango...just the poor business decisions that came from it. Last year, I contacted all our sponsors that I found on zango and told them how to demand to be placed on zango's exclusion list. That is really the only way to truly not support zango. Otherwise, any affiliate could still use them. As far as I know, all our sponsors being used by zango that were with us last year, have sent that letter. And only one has been added as of today. I am guessing that zango is in no rush to add them. I learned from running the Good, Bad and Ugly back in the day that going after sponsors for something that you are not 100% sure about is a slippery slope. It's not one that I ever want to go down again. This is why I decided to educate the surfers through adwaresucks.com/wembasters instead of a witch hunt. Too many good people get hurt. But, if anyone has real proof that any sponsor is doing anything that can hurt webmasters, pm me. I am not against pulling any sponsor that hurts webmasters. Remember though, I am not blind, I am not stupid and I do get around. I have seen all the posts, all the links and even the Amazon Book Cover I have still not seen incontrovertible evidence about any sponsor other than one. I have been told to expect a statement. But I admit, that was some time ago.

2007-05-01, 09:28 AM	#9
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	This just sprang to mind. And, I am also not trying to cause controversy. But, I just looked at the adwaresucks numbers. Since Sparky and I opened it, we have educated 1,086,427 unique infected surfers about zango. That compels me to ask, besides bashing us for not joining a witch hunt and honoring a contract. What else have you actually done to really fight zango? I see Gary continuously bumping zango threads on GFY but does that really do anything but desensitize webmasters? Again, no drama...just if you are doing something real, we would like to help.

2007-05-01, 09:40 PM	#10
Gnus Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 76	I understand where you coming from Jim with desensitizing webmasters but what about those who don't visit boards every once in while or those who just started as webmasters and when they do visit the boards they see advertising for the same companies that got ousted by webmasters for doing shady stuff to steal from webmasters. These posts fall to the way side which show evidence of these companies stealing from webmasters but they are still advertising plus doing contests and what not on the boards so they benefit from the roaming webmaster and new webmasters. Just doesn't make sense to me is all. I know I heard it before money is what matters right? Gary __________________ ICQ -73665782 Last edited by Gnus; 2007-05-01 at 10:00 PM..

2007-05-01, 10:24 PM	#11
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Gnus - by that thinking, there must be 100+ threads around here that should be bumped what...every week? 2 weeks? month? 2 months? Maybe you can post a page that links to all the threads that you think are important to newbies & weekend webmaster, throw that in your sig file & then they'd have a handy place to start? I think Jim & I clearly explained what happened with Sex Search as far as this board goes - unless you think our excuse (and it is an excuse) is not a legit excuse? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-05-01, 10:37 PM	#12
Gnus Heh Heh Heh! Lisa! Vampires are make believe, just like elves and gremlins and eskimos! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 76	I understand where your coming on SexSearch because they haven't made a statement regarding the matter but their silence on the matter doesn't look good for them. Yes in their situation in can be affiliates buying keywords. I'm glad you took a stance on SexBankRoll and removed there link from this page http://www.greenguysboard.com/main/welcome.html and haven't seen a ad yet for them either. Your advice on the sig sounds like a good one and I think I'll do that. Thanks for the tip. Gary __________________ ICQ -73665782

2007-07-15, 12:52 AM	#14
Will76 Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 20	SexSearch still going strong with Zango. And for those of you who don't know, Jayeff passed away about a month ago. RIP jayeff.