Should a paysite place a recip before submitting its program to a LL?

[bart666]

Should I place a recip on my paysite when submitting my program to LL sites? It's not that I don't want to, but after having checked on other paysites, it looks like those paysites don't have recips on their main index page. AND usually the Link List will send traffic to the tour pages.


Of course, I have a links page where I have recips to reviews of my site... I could put those recips there. But its no warning page! What am I missing here?

[Ramster]

Link Lists send traffic to your program and get credit for any sales they send. You need the LL owner to sign up to your program.

[bart666]

You need the LL owner to sign up to your program.

Since they don't come to me, how should I get to them then? Apparently, the "submit url" pages on LL sites is only for TGP/FHGs, so where should I submit my program to LL sites? I really need LL affiliates.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by bart666

Apparently, the "submit url" pages on LL sites is only for TGP/FHGs

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[JackDaniel's]

Originally Posted by Fonz

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[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Fonz

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[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by bart666

Since they don't come to me, how should I get to them then? Apparently, the "submit url" pages on LL sites is only for TGP/FHGs, so where should I submit my program to LL sites? I really need LL affiliates.

Most have email addresses to go along with the LL and thats a personal approach. But if you look to submit your paysite...just follow the rules set forth by the LL owner in regard to premium site submits and I dont foresee a problem.

[bart666]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Most have email addresses to go along with the LL and thats a personal approach. But if you look to submit your paysite...just follow the rules set forth by the LL owner in regard to premium site submits and I dont foresee a problem.

Is there really such info about premium site submits on their submit pages? I usually see a box where you can choose between "paysite" and "freesite" but I think the purpose of this box is just to separate FHG from TGP, right?

[papagmp]

Wrong - the paysite is just that - a paysite and a freesite is a nothing more than a freesite - and a FHG is neither. I FHG is a Free Hosted Gallery - which many LL's do not list at all.

I know of no LL's that let you submit Free Hosted Galleries or Hosted Free Sites for that matter - even if you are the program owner. If an LL owner wants to list hosted sites (galleries or freesites), he or she will sign up as and affiliate for the program that has the hosted sites and then list them in hes/her LL using their own affiliate code. This is one of the ways that we LL owners make our living.

In most cases, submitting a paysite is just that - you send the LL owner enough information to get them interested in your paysite (also known as "program"). If you send shit - don't expect much response. If you send them great stuff, they'll probably take the time to list a few links to your program. If you don't have an affiliate program - forget it - there's no incentive. Also, just submitting a paysite is no guarantee that it will get listed.

Work hard to make your program stand out and convert well in it's niche . Build a few great freesites using your content and submit them to the LL's. That way the LL owners become familiar with your content and niche before you submit the paysite and the LL owners are much more likely to take the time to signup for yet another paysite.

Bottom line is if an LL owner thinks he/she can make money with your product, they'll probably promote it - if not, we'll probably pass.

Also remember that they are as busy as you are - be patient and build a good reputation on the boards.

anyway - just my 2 cents.....

Originally Posted by bart666

Is there really such info about premium site submits on their submit pages? I usually see a box where you can choose between "paysite" and "freesite" but I think the purpose of this box is just to separate FHG from TGP, right?

[papagmp]

For most of us - we want to see the url to the pay site and the url to the affiliate program. This way we can look at the tour and sign up for the affiliate program. Use the submit form and select paysite (if applicable) or pm us on the boards or send an email. On established LL's I always send a username and password so the LL owner can get a feel for the members area too.

As an affiliate, I never promote tours (programs) that have links (leaks) on their tours. Therefore I never put recips on a paysite URL. Why should I send traffic to a tour that then send the traffic elsewhere where I get no credit?

On a side note; hit me or NYJester up if you're interested in a membership area upsell between your site and either Glass Mannequin or Bring Me Your Sister. We'd be happy to work with you.

[NY Jester]

bart666 - as Ram and Papa have both stated - LL owners put links to paysite or premium sites without links back because by doing so they earn revenue from sales, like any other affiliate. If Joe Link List Owner gets a request to Link to Glassmannequin.com (one of GMP Cash's sites) - we offer the LL owner a temporary user id and pw so that they can see whats inside the members area. We also send them a link to our tour pages and our affiliate site - if they choose to list our site...they sign up for the GMP Cash program and by sending traffic to it, hopefully will earn moneys from sales. I dont think LL owners will require you to place a link to them within any tour pages..if they do, Id suggest you dont link to them or request a link, as it would become a huge traffic leak.

Also as PapaGmp stated , should you want to trade promotional information and content, we can set up a members area trade with your program. Hit me up anytime.

[Tekster]

bart666, don't take the following the wrong way, but I think you need to educate yourself on what a TGP, and what a LL is. Learn the difference between a Free Site and a Gallery, be patient and it will all come together.
Also like papa said: "build a good reputation on the boards"

Then again this comes from a guy that makes $1.00 a week.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by TekAngel

Then again this comes from a guy that makes $1.00 a week.

Since your raise, you make more than I do....

[NY Jester]

Bart - not to beat a dead horse. But Link Lists dont accept FHG (Free hosted galleries) they accept Links to "sites" whether that be a built free site or in most cases they accept paysites as well. Good luck to you. And if you need anything, there are plenty of knowledgable people here in each of the forums that will gladly try and help.

[bart666]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Bart - not to beat a dead horse. But Link Lists dont accept FHG (Free hosted galleries).

Wrong! I have several Link List sites linking - with their affiliate ID - to my FHGs already (including some major ones like Pussy.org).

[Useless]

Originally Posted by bart666

Wrong! I have several Link List sites linking - with their affiliate ID - to my FHGs already (including some major ones like Pussy.org).

Jester said that links don't accept hosted galleries, which is the truth. We don't review and accept hosted galleries submitted to us by others. Many link list owners add hosted galleries and hosted free sites to their listings themselves to monetize their own pages. Of course, link lists also don't accept paysites. We add them on our own accord and only with our affiliate link.

[bart666]

Well, thank you all for your answers and your patience. 18 month ago, I didn't know sh*t about html, websites and had no experience whatsoever in the adult industry. Since then I created 18CloseUp, one of the first websites proposing HD, my customers are satisfied, my program seems to please my affiliates and I'm profitable. But building a strong network of affiliates seems to be the most difficult part of the job. You guys have your own culture, it's quite nebulous for a newbie. At least, this board is helping a lot...

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by bart666

Well, thank you all for your answers and your patience. 18 month ago, I didn't know sh*t about html, websites and had no experience whatsoever in the adult industry. Since then I created 18CloseUp, one of the first websites proposing HD, my customers are satisfied, my program seems to please my affiliates and I'm profitable. But building a strong network of affiliates seems to be the most difficult part of the job. You guys have your own culture, it's quite nebulous for a newbie. At least, this board is helping a lot...

Hey there,

Just keep working. Submit some freesites and make some galleries. Link them to your paysites. Start submitting them to LL's and TGP's . Some of the owners of those sites will sign up to your program over time. The others will give you constructive criticism that you will benefit from.

Good luck with your program

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by bart666

my customers are satisfied, my program seems to please my affiliates and I'm profitable. But building a strong network of affiliates seems to be the most difficult part of the job.

Have you tried attending any webmaster shows in your part of the world? It is a perfect opportunity to get your name out among webmasters that might not otherwise know about your program.

[RomaCash]

yeah, we link back them from the special page.

[ronnie]

Make a good presence on a number of boards, become a part of the group, make sure to contribute as much as you can, all the while pushing your program in your signature. People come to know and trust you, you'll have a better chance of getting affiliates.

[bart666]

Originally Posted by ronnie

Make a good presence on a number of boards, become a part of the group, make sure to contribute as much as you can, all the while pushing your program in your signature. People come to know and trust you, you'll have a better chance of getting affiliates.

Well that process seems relatively slow... But thanks for the tip Ronnie.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by bart666

Well that process seems relatively slow... But thanks for the tip Ronnie.

Oh crap, I gave the wrong tip. I meant to say that you should put a copy of your affiliate sign-up page under your pillow every night so the tooth fairy can spread the word for you, then it wouldn't be relatively slow for you..

A good reputation doesn't happen over night. I don't know what your expecting, how it can be easy and quick to get affiliates, it sure isn't.

Not to mention you have a paysite niche that is one of the most saturated niches in the porn biz, and your sure not the only one pushing HD these days. Course if your conversions are correct, you do have one good thing going for you.

I don't mean to bust your balls, just seems your looking for the easy way out, probably not going to happen.

[bart666]

Oh crap, I gave the wrong tip. I meant to say that you should put a copy of your affiliate sign-up page under your pillow every night so the tooth fairy can spread the word for you, then it wouldn't be relatively slow for you...

The tooth fairy? Definitely a much better idea than to sit and wait patiently....

[NY Jester]

Bart.. Link List owners dont accept your FHG's they choose to make use of them with their own linking codes intact..but you have not submitted them. Just as UselessWarrior has stated above.