really dumb ssi question

amber438 · 2004-03-14, 10:15 AM

Maybe..maybe not..
My server is set to parse ssi on shtml..
I have an index.html I want to use ssi on..
can I add the parse handler line to my htaccess to make it work??
Or will it ignore that line? (the server that is)

Cleo · 2004-03-14, 10:39 AM

You can do it two ways.

You can have it pares all files as SSI no matter what the page extension is, but I would not do it that way.

You can make it so that index.shtml is a valid index page like this.

DirectoryIndex index.shtml index.php index.html index.htm

This is what I do.

amber438 · 2004-03-14, 11:54 AM

ok..I see..
will be a pia to change it cause my index for the domain is linked all over the place..crappolas..
ok..will think of a different angle

venturi · 2004-03-15, 05:30 PM

Hey Amber!

Assuming SSI is configured right on your server you can conditionally parse .html pages for SSI includes.

Just add "XBitHack on" to your .htaccess file and then chmod the pages with SSI in them to 755.

Cleo · 2004-03-15, 06:03 PM

Doesn't that cause all your pages to be parsed as SSI pages even the php ones?

venturi · 2004-03-16, 02:42 AM

Nope, Cleo, it shouldn't... I won't say "never" because there is no "never" with server admin. LOL

Using the XBitHack on setting in .htaccess ONLY parses your .html files that have permissions of 755 to be parsed. Normal HTML & PHP files should have persmissions of 644

The other option is to do the AddHandler .htaccess entry, or updating httpd.conf in apache, which WILL cause ALL .html to be parsed for SSI - and that will drag a server to its knees if you have lots of domains running and/or tons of pages and/or traffic.

PHP/Perl files should not be affected by either - if I understand the Apache docs correctly.

XBitHack is a very useful tool to use if you have LOTS of html pages and/or traffic but only have select few that are utilizing SSI.

I have used this many times when building premium AVS sites, for example, where I have literally 1000's of images loading on HTML but I only wanted my index/gallery pages to use SSI - the full-image HTML pages were treated as generic HTML.

BTW, my host on my virtual server account actually recommended the XBitHack method to me when I inquired about this subject a couple years ago because it lessens the strain on the server.

amber438 · 2004-03-16, 04:58 PM

That is very kewl..I just wanted to add a small ssi to an html..I asked my host and he said addhandler..but I dont want all the html pages in that domain to be able to parse..
I will try this..!! it's way kewl!!
thank you!
what is the exact synatx..?

Cleo · 2004-03-16, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by venturi
Using the XBitHack on setting in .htaccess ONLY parses your .html files that have permissions of 755 to be parsed. Normal HTML & PHP files should have persmissions of 644

The other option is to do the AddHandler .htaccess entry, or updating httpd.conf in apache, which WILL cause ALL .html to be parsed for SSI - and that will drag a server to its knees if you have lots of domains running and/or tons of pages and/or traffic.

Ok that explains it, I was thinking of AddHandler which I tried once for about 90 seconds, just about crashed my server and stopped my php pages from working.

DangerDave · 2004-03-16, 05:37 PM

If your server grinds to a halt after adding a AddHandler... I would be looking at the server;( ? It shouldnt. The load added by the AH may have been large back in the old days.. but now? your server should be able to handle it.

Using an htacess with AddHandler in single directory is also an option.

DD

Cleo · 2004-03-16, 05:42 PM

It was a long time ago and a few hosts ago when I tried it.

Taught me to always link to a directory and not a page seeing as it is so easy to change what the default index page is.

venturi · 2004-03-16, 06:47 PM

Agreed, DD, on a typical server built for adult traffic AddHandler *shouldn't* bring it down to it's knees - but it may affect page load times noticably if you have TONS of pages. However, some of the mainstream hosts I've seen will shoot craps just with a CGI banner rotator running - totally different world there. :/

OK, the syntax...
In your .htaccess file add this:

Code:

XBitHack on

Then using SSH or FTP change permissions on your .html files that have SSI includes to 755 (or -rwxr-xr-x).

That's it! Now apache will only parse those files with the 755 perms for SSI.

One caveat to this method... It can be a chore to keep track of what pages should be 755 and what don't. I didn't keep records of this stuff last time I changed hosts and it was a PIA to sort things out...

amber438 · 2004-03-17, 09:19 AM

gotcha!!

amber438 · 2004-03-26, 04:42 PM

ok..before I do this..this will not change the way apache handles the ssi on shtml right??

venturi · 2004-03-26, 08:33 PM

No ma'am. Shouldn't affect your .shtml docs one bit.

Opti · 2004-03-28, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Agreed, DD, on a typical server built for adult traffic AddHandler *shouldn't* bring it down to it's knees - but it may affect page load times noticably if you have TONS of pages.

I have an addhandelr in htaccess to make php work in all html pages on a bunch of domains on the same server.. 100,000+ html pages are affected... Although i cant really compare speed to how it runs without this set (as the pages all rely on php).. Ive had it like this for at least a couple years since I bought the server... and it seems to run pretty fast to me.

I always imagined if every page had php to be parsed anyway it wouldn't affect server load at all. Anyone technical enough to know if this is right?

Also.. say only 10% of html pages required php.. would it then be a bad idea to use addhandler to parse all .html pages for php? Surely the server overhead would be minimal, and never noticable to the eye, I would hope.

venturi · 2004-03-31, 12:47 AM

I can only hazard a guess as I don't have access to a datacenter and servers to run a benchmark test ...

PHP *generally speaking* is less resource intensive than Perl as it is usually configured to run under apache, however I would hazard a guess that having ALL .html files parsed for PHP would be as intensive as having apache parse all .html for SSI.

My current primary host has apache set up to parse .html for PHP but that's not common - he also has some damned fast servers so I wouldn't use my experiences as any kind of comparison.

I guess I'd have to say if I was backed into a corner on this issue would be that if only 10% of my pages required PHP I'd either:

1) convert those pages to .php, or
2) use IFRAME code to include the PHP code where needed.

There probably is a more eloquent answer/solution but those are the ways I have dealt with this in the past.

2004-03-14, 10:15 AM	#1
amber438 Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 820	really dumb ssi question Maybe..maybe not.. My server is set to parse ssi on shtml.. I have an index.html I want to use ssi on.. can I add the parse handler line to my htaccess to make it work?? Or will it ignore that line? (the server that is) __________________ Red Hot Links Red Hot Galleries

2004-03-14, 10:39 AM	#2
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	You can do it two ways. You can have it pares all files as SSI no matter what the page extension is, but I would not do it that way. You can make it so that index.shtml is a valid index page like this. DirectoryIndex index.shtml index.php index.html index.htm This is what I do. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-03-14, 11:54 AM	#3
amber438 Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 820	ok..I see.. will be a pia to change it cause my index for the domain is linked all over the place..crappolas.. ok..will think of a different angle __________________ Red Hot Links Red Hot Galleries

2004-03-15, 05:30 PM	#4
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	Hey Amber! Assuming SSI is configured right on your server you can conditionally parse .html pages for SSI includes. Just add "XBitHack on" to your .htaccess file and then chmod the pages with SSI in them to 755. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-03-15, 06:03 PM	#5
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Doesn't that cause all your pages to be parsed as SSI pages even the php ones? __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-03-16, 02:42 AM	#6
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	Nope, Cleo, it shouldn't... I won't say "never" because there is no "never" with server admin. LOL Using the XBitHack on setting in .htaccess ONLY parses your .html files that have permissions of 755 to be parsed. Normal HTML & PHP files should have persmissions of 644 The other option is to do the AddHandler .htaccess entry, or updating httpd.conf in apache, which WILL cause ALL .html to be parsed for SSI - and that will drag a server to its knees if you have lots of domains running and/or tons of pages and/or traffic. PHP/Perl files should not be affected by either - if I understand the Apache docs correctly. XBitHack is a very useful tool to use if you have LOTS of html pages and/or traffic but only have select few that are utilizing SSI. I have used this many times when building premium AVS sites, for example, where I have literally 1000's of images loading on HTML but I only wanted my index/gallery pages to use SSI - the full-image HTML pages were treated as generic HTML. BTW, my host on my virtual server account actually recommended the XBitHack method to me when I inquired about this subject a couple years ago because it lessens the strain on the server. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files Last edited by venturi; 2004-03-16 at 02:49 AM..

2004-03-16, 04:58 PM	#7
amber438 Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 820	That is very kewl..I just wanted to add a small ssi to an html..I asked my host and he said addhandler..but I dont want all the html pages in that domain to be able to parse.. I will try this..!! it's way kewl!! thank you! what is the exact synatx..? __________________ Red Hot Links Red Hot Galleries

2004-03-16, 05:37 PM	#9
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	If your server grinds to a halt after adding a AddHandler... I would be looking at the server;( ? It shouldnt. The load added by the AH may have been large back in the old days.. but now? your server should be able to handle it. Using an htacess with AddHandler in single directory is also an option. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-03-16, 05:42 PM	#10
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	It was a long time ago and a few hosts ago when I tried it. Taught me to always link to a directory and not a page seeing as it is so easy to change what the default index page is. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-03-16, 06:47 PM	#11
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	Agreed, DD, on a typical server built for adult traffic AddHandler shouldn't bring it down to it's knees - but it may affect page load times noticably if you have TONS of pages. However, some of the mainstream hosts I've seen will shoot craps just with a CGI banner rotator running - totally different world there. :/ OK, the syntax... In your .htaccess file add this: Code: XBitHack on Then using SSH or FTP change permissions on your .html files that have SSI includes to 755 (or -rwxr-xr-x). That's it! Now apache will only parse those files with the 755 perms for SSI. One caveat to this method... It can be a chore to keep track of what pages should be 755 and what don't. I didn't keep records of this stuff last time I changed hosts and it was a PIA to sort things out... __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files Last edited by venturi; 2004-03-16 at 06:50 PM..

2004-03-17, 09:19 AM	#12
amber438 Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 820	gotcha!! __________________ Red Hot Links Red Hot Galleries

2004-03-26, 04:42 PM	#13
amber438 Whatever don't kill ya makes ya stronger... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York Posts: 820	ok..before I do this..this will not change the way apache handles the ssi on shtml right?? __________________ Red Hot Links Red Hot Galleries

2004-03-26, 08:33 PM	#14
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	No ma'am. Shouldn't affect your .shtml docs one bit. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2004-03-31, 12:47 AM	#16
venturi No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 282	I can only hazard a guess as I don't have access to a datacenter and servers to run a benchmark test ... PHP generally speaking is less resource intensive than Perl as it is usually configured to run under apache, however I would hazard a guess that having ALL .html files parsed for PHP would be as intensive as having apache parse all .html for SSI. My current primary host has apache set up to parse .html for PHP but that's not common - he also has some damned fast servers so I wouldn't use my experiences as any kind of comparison. I guess I'd have to say if I was backed into a corner on this issue would be that if only 10% of my pages required PHP I'd either: 1) convert those pages to .php, or 2) use IFRAME code to include the PHP code where needed. There probably is a more eloquent answer/solution but those are the ways I have dealt with this in the past. __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files