2257 regs published in full

[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by LindaMight

I don't like this grim forecast. In fact, it is the only message that I have read on five different message boards and pages and pages of messages that has scared me. If all of the above holds true, we should all close down NOW and never look back.

Linda

I second that..Its scary, its risky and I do believe this is to get us all off the net...They will win, we will go quietly into the night and be good little citizens.....

Strike 1 - Porn...what is next?

And screw there damned christianity, The way I look at it, My religion accepts nudity, we were born nude..Nude is beautiful, we just cover it up because they say we have to.

Uncle Sam - NOT

[Wenchy]

I finally found a minute to catch up on everything in detail and immediately felt like a heel when I came across Tommy's earlier post.

Thank you, Alex, for the time and effort you have put into this thread (along with others), and your patience with answering questions and approaching topics as they come up. For the last few days you've been the calm voice of reason in a tempest of uncertainty and fear, and we all owe you our thanks.

[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by Barron

Put yourself in the position of the inspector. You are looking at a picture of a guy and girl that is having sexual intercourse. The woman has breasts and pubic hair. Ok, the girl has reached puberty. The guy has pubic hair. Ok, he has reached puberty. But, since I cant see the faces, are the models 16 or 26?

Without a clear indication that the models are over 18, or at least an indication that a reasonable person could tell by looking at the faces, I would be looking for the 2257 info, wouldnt you?


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Barron..Most of my pictures in my website are me on my knees and all you can see are legs and cocks, I do have compliances for these guys and they are all 40+ in age...Are they going to call these guys and line them up nude next to the photos and see who is who?

[HornyHeather]

Wenchy, I second that! Alex has been awesome and patient with all us nuts!

[Barron]

Originally Posted by Toby

Barron, To my knowledge there's never been so much as a knock on someone's door.

One thing that does need to be kept in mind, these new regulations allow the DOJ to appoint local law enforcement to perform the inspection. I'm not sure that will happen much since the Fed's tend to be pretty territorial and don't care much for sharing the spotlight.

I get this vision of the feds asking the local police chief, or the local sherriff, or the local district attorney to go out and inspect a certain individual and the reply is, "What the fuck are 2257 regulations?... Really, you guys have that?.... Sorry, we would rather chase murders, armed robbers and people doing drive-bys. You'll have to do the inspections, we dont have time for that non-sense... bye!"


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[HornyHeather]

lol Barron

[Barron]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

Barron..Most of my pictures in my website are me on my knees and all you can see are legs and cocks, I do have compliances for these guys and they are all 40+ in age...Are they going to call these guys and line them up nude next to the photos and see who is who?

No no, you missed my point. I'm only saying that, considering the resources and manpower available, they are only going to go after the most obvious offenses. I'm thinking it is more likely that you will be inspected if the they cant tell what the age of the model is from the get go.

However, if you get a rendigade inspector, and thats a big if, he just might become an asshole and make you jump through hoops to prove exactly who is in the photo! I'm thinking you dont want that either


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[HornyHeather]

Well like I said hun, the only way I could really put a face with a cock, is have these guys get naked...I was just being blunt, and you made me think with your comment..I dont crop the pictures that is how we take them, that is what my members like, but I never thought about how it would twist on me...

[Useless]

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

[Barron]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

Well like I said hun, the only way I could really put a face with a cock, is have these guys get naked...I was just being blunt, and you made me think with your comment..I dont crop the pictures that is how we take them, that is what my members like, but I never thought about how it would twist on me...

These new regs created as many questions as it did answers. Lets let the lawyers figure it all out. That will take a few days. Hopefully the answers will come more sooner than later and we all can get back to work.

So there is work out there for those of use over 40 huh? I may need a new line of work come June 23, is there a place I can sign up?


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[LindaMight]

Originally Posted by Barron

Put yourself in the position of the inspector. You are looking at a picture of a guy and girl that is having sexual intercourse. The woman has breasts and pubic hair. Ok, the girl has reached puberty. The guy has pubic hair. Ok, he has reached puberty. But, since I cant see the faces, are the models 16 or 26?

Without a clear indication that the models are over 18, or at least an indication that a reasonable person could tell by looking at the faces, I would be looking for the 2257 info, wouldnt you?


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Well for once I guess I can say "thank heavens I look middle aged". Who would have thunk?

Linda

[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

Wow Hun...Thank you...You outa be a Dom...I am submitting...LOL Thanks!

[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by Barron

These new regs created as many questions as it did answers. Lets let the lawyers figure it all out. That will take a few days. Hopefully the answers will come more sooner than later and we all can get back to work.

So there is work out there for those of use over 40 huh? I may need a new line of work come June 23, is there a place I can sign up?


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LOL I am always looking for over 40 men! Anything younger than that is just to im-mature, No Pun intended to the younger guys here...

[Barron]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

I think most people have gotten past "the sky is falling". From what I can tell, most people are have taken a deep breath, considered their options and are making decisions based on either personal or business reasons. At least I have.

I'm just waiting on the lawyers to sort out the details. The porn business will go on, there will be money to be made and once everyone gets the cross-indexing done, it will be business as usual.


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[HornyHeather]

Your Right Barron, I think what most of us are concerned about is having our info published on the net...Indexing dont bother me, the compliances, not a problem...
Stalkers and antipornists scare me

[Barron]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

Wow Hun...Thank you...You outa be a Dom...I am submitting...LOL Thanks!

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

LOL I am always looking for over 40 men! Anything younger than that is just to im-mature, No Pun intended to the younger guys here...

Woo hoo, A job doing what I do best! Doing what I like an get paid? To good to be true.

[HornyHeather]

See that!

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

Agree with others, Alex thanks very much for all the solid input on these matters

Gotta give another big thumbs up to UW, the commments above are some of the most solid advice in this entire thread. The sky is not falling...at least not yet.

While I certainly don't agree with MANY things the US gov does, I also have a VERY hard time envisioning an honest webmaster being LOCKED UP for 5 years due to a CLERICAL problem. Hassled...possibly...annoyed probably...but locked the fuck up because you don't have all your ducks all lined up nice and pretty? Locked up because the folks on your site...that you CAN prove ARE over age...but you haven't shut down business for several weeks to go back to hundreds or thousands of sites...sites you built years ago...you haven't gone back and fulfilled these INANE documentation requirements??? Locked the the fuck up for a clerical issue? Sorry folks, perhaps I'm too naive (doubtful)...but I REALLY don't see ANYONE getting locked up over this...at least not anyone who is doing business above board in the first place.

Now, UW has given us some good advice. Let's let the sponsors and the FSC deal with this crap. I'd bet there WILL be injunctions...and BEFORE folks start selling off their businesses...or renting office space...or moving fucking hosting...let's see what the final version of this looks like. Get your ducks in a row...but common sense SCREAMS that what we see now...is not what will be enforced. IF any enforcement happens at all!

My plan is business as usual. I'm a business man...nothing more...nothing less. I certainly don't deal in cp, or be*st crap, or anything illegal. I'd challenge anyone to find anything illegal on my servers or my local drives. Hell, I even have a rule on my link list to keep the text friendly to women...no need to degrade women to sell sex. SEX IS FUN people!

IF the US gov wants to drag my ass into court (I look great in a suit btw )...the media would have a field day seeing an honest hard working business man in court over fucking clerical errors. And I have absolutely NO FEAR about being locked the fuck up. This is NOT 1950's Russia...it's just not gonna happen folks. At least not to those of us who are in this as a business and aren't involved in the seedy underside of this biz.

Geez, let's get some work done...there are horny surfers out there...and they WANT to use their credit cards

Oh, last comment...definitely support the FSC! They are our voice in this...a very worthwhile cause. And they very well may have a significant impact on what clerical requirements will be enforced.

Now, I'm off to sling some porn...I can just smell those surfer credit cards...mmm...yummy

[Boogie]

Well, here is my take on it all.

Its a waiting game.

Look, I have a handfull of sites on the internet that have actual content on them. This content as a whole is generlaly sponsor produced and donated.

With that said, all I really can do is wait. do I want to publish my home address on all the sites I create and have created? NO. and I do work for home.

I'm going to wait til the last minute to do it but even when I do that adress is already public via whois so whats it matter? Its been up there for 8 years and no one has knocked on my door yet, why will they tomorrow?

Most likely they wont.

So try my method. Be ready, be informed, keep tabs of whats going on but most of all relax. I think a lot of folks who are getting out dont really know why they're doing it they're just heading for the hills.

Good riddance to most of them though, with a few exceptions.

More room in the pool for me

[Barron]

I was nice about it the first time, but I refuse to be nice about it the second time.

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scratch all that, I wont try to help anymore. good luck to all of you.


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[RamCharger]

As a government employee [not law enforcement] I can tell you this much: the saying you can't fight city hall isn't entirely true, but it's damn close. What it boils down to is this: if someone has a big enough bug up their ass then they'll gladly piss away a day or more of their time (using your tax dollars) to come up with creative interpretation (see bastardization) of an existing reg to do what they damn well want. Then the problem becomes that you're going to have to defeat the twit using your time and your dollars while they're leaning back in their chair whistling dixie and not breaking a sweat since there's no personal liability in it for them either way. It really is an ugly thing.

[plateman]

I to agree with useless and if I have to I'll be sitting on my porch building porn with a shot gun inside the door if any of those mother fuckers want to mess with me and maybe in my boxers and also I live in a not so friendly part of town and if the protesters want to come over the more the merrier...

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by plateman

I to agree with useless and if I have to I'll be sitting on my porch building porn with a shot gun inside the door if any of those mother fuckers want to mess with me and maybe in my boxers and also I live in a not so friendly part of town and if the protesters want to come over the more the merrier...

Might I suggest an office in ever scenic Newark, NJ or Detroit or South Central LA or that part of Washington, D.C. where no one goes out at night? hmm 2257 violator or the crack house next door... decisions, decisions, decisions.

[RamCharger]

On a side note, what really amazes me is that so many sites start right out with a hardcore front page with the minors prohibited wording right beneath it. How's that work? Yes, we're all fishing for people, but that seems to be a recipe for fishing for a lawsuit since you've already displayed nudity including hardcore before they could even accept the legal disclaimer on the front page.

[digifan]

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