LOR - my sites have gone

[japamor]

LOR has figured prominently at or near the top of my 'daily hits' stats for almost 2 years now but a few days ago, for the first time, it dropped out of sight completely.

I've had a look for my Free Sites on LOR but can't find any.

Have I unknowingly committed a major offence or have you just had a gigantic springclean? I'd appreciate you looking into it please. The domain is www.japamor.com

Cheers

[Useless]

Obviously, I'm not with the LOR, but out of curiosity - why don't you have anything on the root of your domain? That can be an extremely bad strategy when it comes to those damned pesky SEs, especially when it comes to gaining PR on subpages.

[japamor]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Obviously, I'm not with the LOR, but out of curiosity - why don't you have anything on the root of your domain? That can be an extremely bad strategy when it comes to those damned pesky SEs, especially when it comes to gaining PR on subpages.

Hi UW
I'm not sure what you mean. Is it the forward slash at the end or the http:// at the beginning of the URL that I should be including?

[Lemmy]

Japamor, I get a 403 "Forbidden" on your root.

[Simon]

Same here ... 403 at http://www.japamor.com/

[japamor]

I see what you mean.
The top-level folder I'm seeing at the server is one with just a forward slash against it. I find that I can't rename it or do anything with it. I'll contact my Hosting company to see what I can do.
Thanks for your help eveyone.

[Bill]

It's somewhat dangerous to do all your freesite posting on one domain. You make one mistake, or your server hard drive dies and the ll spider hits your domain before the backup is reinstalled, and you lose all your good listings.

[Bill]

Just upload an index.html page to your root.

[japamor]

That's done. index.html uploaded and no more 403. I can't believe its that easy.
Thanks for that very handy advice Bill, and again thanks to UW, Lemmy and Simon for helping to plug another large gap in my webmaster knowledge!

[Dr Bizzaro]

Ironically UW tried to plug my gap while I was drinking by the pool.....

Slightly different out come....

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

Ironically UW tried to plug my gap while I was drinking by the pool...

Well, it took all three of us to plug Japamor's...
...sounds like you must have a smaller gap!

[Greenguy]

Japmor - our best guess is that Google has blacklisted you. You had a lot of sites listed on LOR, but none of them have any PR & the 403 on the root probably wasn't helping things.

You might want to set up the index page as a hub & list all the sites that you have on the domain on there & hope that Google recognizes it, spiders the entire site & lifts whatever ban they have that is not giving you any PR.

Of course this is all just a guess.

[japamor]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Japmor - our best guess is that Google has blacklisted you. You had a lot of sites listed on LOR, but none of them have any PR & the 403 on the root probably wasn't helping things.

You might want to set up the index page as a hub & list all the sites that you have on the domain on there & hope that Google recognizes it, spiders the entire site & lifts whatever ban they have that is not giving you any PR.

Of course this is all just a guess.

Right, thanks GG I'll do that and see what happens.

How does this affect my future submissions to LOR. Can I keep submitting as before, or should I change to another domain?

[plateman]

what is better? have your root listing all the sites and galleries from the sub folders or use the root for a fake tgp and or LL listing some hosted stuff...

thing is I never linked back to my roots but I could trade links and link back to it as long as I didnt break any LL rules for a # of links out...

right now on my roots of my 2 main submitt domains I have single pages up with links to my LL and a notice of under construction of a LL or tgp

[WarBot]

Hmm... I didnt even consider that I may not get listed (or I may have my sites removed) because of no PR due to not linking back to my domains root and interlinking things better. Good tips in this thread.

I guess building an actual site on the domains root would be best. Linking to a fake tgp from my free sites may get me rejected from a few ll's. Im guessing real ll or a hub that lists a clean version of all my free sites would be probably be best.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by WarBot

Hmm... I didnt even consider that I may not get listed (or I may have my sites removed) because of no PR due to not linking back to my domains root and interlinking things better. Good tips in this thread.

I'm not sure that linking back (or not) the the domain's root from each free site is going affect much for the free site itself. My point was that there was nothing at all at the root of the domain in question, and that that _may_ have caused the complete lack of PR on any of his pages on that domain. It's the only correlation I can come up with. Perhaps Google assumes that anything on a domain with no root content must not be worth anything. I don't know. Either way, it's not good.

Here's a related point. For any domain which you use for free sites- if you have no other site to place at the root, you should, at the very least, have a page there that links out to all of the free sites on that domain.

And as Bill stated - never put all of your free sites on a single domain. Spread them out many. If a domain gets stolen or Google bans it, you don't want to lose it all.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm not sure that linking back (or not) the the domain's root from each free site is going affect much for the free site itself. My point was that there was nothing at all at the root of the domain in question, and that that _may_ have caused the complete lack of PR on any of his pages on that domain. It's the only correlation I can come up with. Perhaps Google assumes that anything on a domain with no root content must not be worth anything. I don't know. Either way, it's not good.

Very good point UW. The first domain I owned was pr0 for a couple of years. The domain had an index page that listed the free sites on the domain and the rest of the page was pretty much a banner farm. Once I cleaned up the root index it went to pr3 on the next update and that got passed along to the free sites which varied from pr1 to pr2.

[Jel]

http://www.japamor.com/xxxx/classic1/index.html

Yet that has PR (although it currently shows as not being indexed).

[WarBot]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

My point was that there was nothing at all at the root of the domain in question, and that that _may_ have caused the complete lack of PR on any of his pages on that domain.

You all said some things that had me thinking. I was more or less just thinking out loud rather than replying to any particular post. Instead of going with a free site hub, a link list or a tgp Im going to go with something a bit different. I will make each root into a hub but it wont be a more free porn type hub. Maybe some custom fpa's in the niches I submit to or something like that would be better. Still just thinking out loud

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Jel

http://www.japamor.com/xxxx/classic1/index.html

Yet that has PR (although it currently shows as not being indexed).

Yeah, that was the first site I checked out when I saw this thread.

Not to detract to much from Japamor's problem, but I find it interesting that he's got a hub with retained PR, yet the free-sites stemming from that hub have all dropped their PR recently -- if my understanding of what happened is accurate. Sound like a familiar problem to anyone?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by japamor

Right, thanks GG I'll do that and see what happens.

How does this affect my future submissions to LOR. Can I keep submitting as before, or should I change to another domain?

As of right now, you're domain is banned

You're not the only one - I had to remove 100 or so listings that a good friend had because of a similar situation. My suggestion (or guess) is that you should work on cleaning up that domain, get a legit index page on there & wait to see if Google gives you some PR.

[plateman]

site:http:www.japamor.com looks like it isn't banned...

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=2

[Xallow]

uhm, how do you check if a domain is blacklisted by google?

[plateman]

check this out I had PR 3 and 4 PR free sites on a domain that had a lot of sites and most now have no PR but 2 or 3 - also note I build NO doorways...

My other domain has at the most 30 sites with no doorways and has 3 or 4 sites that have PR all the other has PR gone...

this no PR in google thing is IMO a algo change that fucked up and next update the PR will be back... And IMO PR doesnt mean shit

example my one LL LOST all PR on the category pages BUT ONE....

This is the 4 or 5 straight month that G likes my site more than the month before and when I lost PR on all my category pages weeks ago - MY google listings never wavered

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Xallow

uhm, how do you check if a domain is blacklisted by google?

I check and see if Google is indexing anything at all with site:domain.com