Last Night's Radio Show....Next Week's Radio Show

[Greenguy]

Seems there's a lot of hurt feelings after last night's Radio Show as well as a lot of "conspiracy theories" as to why the topics of this thread - http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28437 - we brought up.

1st things 1st: I did not start to prep for the show until about 6:30 - until that time, we had no fucking clue what we were going to talk about. This is pretty much the norm for the show.

Neither Jim nor I were on the board too much over the weekend, so we both completely missed the mess that is in the http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28437 thread. Once I saw it (not read it, just saw the amount of posts & replies) I thought it'd be a good topic to cover on the show & posted as such. I then read most of the thread to get caught up (I had not read the thread since Thursday & most of the problems came up right after I last read it)

I also saw the genius MattinBlack thread & thought that'd be a good topic as well.

Now, when we started to chat about the "feminist" thread - BEFORE THE SHOW STARTED - the only person in the chat room that I knew would have a strong opinion was Torn, so I asked if he could come on the phone during the show.

During our conversation with Torn, Trixie, who's friends with furrygirl & was also in the chatroom, said that she'd like to come on as well. Getting 4 people on the show (myself & Jim included) is a HUGE pain in the ass (anyone that listened to the show will know this)

The reason no one else was asked to come on was that:
1 - they were not in the chat room, which would mean phone calls hoping that person was on the other end & then getting them up to speed
2 - the topic was decided less than 90 minutes before air time & I really had no idea it would become that big of a deal

If you think that Jim and/or I or anyone else planned any of this, you're sadly mistaken. If you want to dump the fact that my lack of show prep started the ball rolling, then go right ahead. But please, don't insult Jim & me by even thinking that we planned on making some big stinky piss & didn't tell anyone ahead of time so that the show would be controversial.

Yes, we only heard one side of the arguments last night, but we didn't plan on having a big argument & we did run long because of our lack of prep.

I'm not even going to go into my opinions on the topics & I'm not going to speculate on Jim's.

But I would like to ask that Raw Alex & furrygirl come onto the show next week & we can have a discussion about this & the other thread. I can call furrygirl & Jim can call Raw Alex before the show starts so that we don't have another clusterfuck of us trying to get people on the phone during the show.

Please remember, this really is a half-assed attempt at a Radio Show - for fuck sakes, I'm sitting in my basement with a 2 channel mixer & WinAmp! We're not professionals & don't pretend to be, so I think fuck up's like this are almost expected

[Jim]

If anyone knows anything about the radio show, they know we almost never plan anything. Half the time we are down to talking about what's on TV. And for a conspiracy theory to be correct, the perpetrators would have to both be together to get it right. I was here babysitting during this last weekend. Greenie was in Buffalo.

[Surfn]

I was in the chat room when GG was trying different titles for the chat. And I was there when all the shit went down. It didn't seem planned to me. It seemed like GG was scrambling to put something together for the next hour.

[Toby]

I will most definately be tuned in next week, should be "interesting".

[Useless]

Oh sure, you finally have a real show instead of discussing HD bullshit and sitcoms and I didn't hear a fucking word of it. If that's not a conspiracy, I don't know what is.

[sukime69]

I guess I am sort of mystified that anyone would bother themselves to have hurt feelings over it. But then again, I have not been on this board for a while so dont really know.

I actually just recently found out the radio show was back on and was thrilled. Love to sit here at the desk and listen to "talk radio" about the biz, and I guess I look at it more for the entertainment value.

I missed the email announcing it so I had to listen to the replay, and I was working at the same time so I may have missed some of the controversial stuff, but then again I thrive on controversy.

Maybe I should keep my mouth shut since I havent been around here long, but that is usually not my way |confused|

[KG Gary]

I thoroughly enjoyed last night's Radio Show - it was informative and entertaining, and I didn't get any sort of "conspiracy theory" whiff at all - everything seemed way too chaotic and raw.
Torn and Trixie were superb guests, and it was great to listen to some really strong opinions and emotions.
Exactly what's needed to thrash out the issues, surely.

I think it's much better to get most of these clashes of opinions out in the open now rather than further down the line when more people will be watching with intent to cause problems.
As long as the final outcome is a strong and continued push all in the same direction it's all pretty normal stuff IMHO.

[RawAlex]

As I already sent to Greenguy, I decline to be on the radio show. First off, I have some weekly family time that happens on Tuesday, which would mean changing other people's plans, and secondly, I have long since made my points on the subject and no longer have any interest in keeping it going any further.

I see no upside and a whole ton of downside. Why bother?

Alex

[SirMoby]

I often don't make the radio show because I hate voices coming from a computer. Always have and probably will but I think I'll make an exception for next week. While I don't think the issue is even worth debating because it gets so clouded that I feel people end up arguing unrelated issues I do enjoy both Alex and FurryGirl so I think it will be fun

[RawAlex]

Let me add this:

Originally Posted by furrygirl
Good luck waiting for that. You've been nothing but a condescending misogynist prick to both myself and Trixie throughout both of these theads, but thanks for giving me a laugh.

I couldn't care less if you're older than me, and if harping on your age is the best you can do to prove your point and address all my questions, you're not worth talking to. I prefer to debate with intelligent people who have actual evidence to back up their arguments, but you can't even do that. *All* your arguments rest on hysteria and "everyone knows". If I wanted more of that line of debate, I'd go pick fights with creationists or people who protest abortion clinics.

Aww, it wittle Alex all sad that someone on the playground called him a stupid-head?

I have already been labeled, insulted, and otherwise abused in these threads. There is nothing new going to happen by appearing on the radio and listening to more insults and name calling from someone who not only has strong opinions but believes that the rest of us are out to get her.

Alex

[Greenguy]

Oh well, we tried

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Oh well, we tried

I'd still be interested in hearing what furrygirl has to say, even if Alex declines to participate. Many people come across far differently in person (or live on the phone) than they do in written form on the boards.

[Mr. Blue]

I think people need to read the actual thread in question:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28437

There it is...really read it, because what was said on the radio show regarding it was very inaccurate, things that were said in the radio show just didn't happen in that thread, and I don't think anyone should get thrown under the bus based on fallacies or misrepresentations.

I may not be taking the popular stance here, because I have to agree, after listening to the radio show I thought a few members really acted like misogynistic assholes. However, afterwards I read the thread in question...it goes to prove one important thing...it's always better to form opinion on first hand information than a grapevine retelling of what happened.

So, I urge everyone to reread that thread carefully, I know it's long, but really reread it and then listen to the radio show again. As I said, form your own opinions on what was said in that thread...now that I've read it, I don't think Sirmoby, RawAlex, Surfn, or Walrus presented themselves in a vicious or malicious manner.

Also remember, if you're opinionated, make sure you wear your thick skin on the boards. That's the first lesson I learned in porn

[Halfdeck]

Mr Blue, I agree with you, to a point. To me, the feminism issue seemed off-topic at the time. Furrygirl insisted most adult webmasters are against a feminist voice representing the adult industry; that is a complete misrepresentation. I think most of us value what female webmasters like Furrygirl or Trixie has to say.

Still, the distinction she was making between male and female webmasters / TGP and paysite owners was clearly divisive and distracting to the thread.

But what was said on the radio show didn't just happen out of thin air. You have to do better than read the link you posted to see where all that pent-up emotion is coming from (goes all the way back to when this board was temorarily blue).

Trixie was also invited by others to speak on the show impromtu and she was just voicing her honest opinion. Whether what she said was accurate or not, I do see where she is coming from.

The only thing that saddens me about all this is seeing people who usually make valuable post stoop to name calling and completely refusing to compromise or acknowledge a different point of view. If we are going to have a discussion, let it be a rational discussion not a fucking flame war or friends backing up friends in the name of good business.

[RawAlex]

Halfdeck, read that thread again very carefully. The name calling and labelling came from one side of the discussion and one side only. When anyone said "looks like this could be prostitution", the answer was to say that we were little boys easily offended by the oldest profession.

As I said elsewhere: When you come to the table with an extreme manifesto and a huge chip on your shoulder, there is very little chance that your "opinions" are going to leave much space for anyone else, nor are they a good starting point for fruitful discussions.

Alex

[walrus]

Damn, my name popped up and now I gotta listen to the show. Oh well, hopefully it will provide a little fodder for the blog...it's been a bit boring lately without something to go on a rant about!

[Mr. Blue]

Halfdeck, I agree with what you're saying. Also I completely understand the frustration that webmasters like Furrygirl, Trixie, Kat, have to go through in this industry.

I personally never view anyone as "Content" and just that. I treat porn entirely like a business and I want to associate with people that treat it as such, right down to the models. I don't care about gender, I don't care about what avenue of porn you participate in, and I judge people based off of their professionalism.

Also what Trixie said is valid, I respect her right to voice her opinions and they're good opinions.

The only thing that did trouble me was the thread itself was sidetracked by something that wasn't really necessary at the moment. Also, I think some people got a little demonized and a bit unfairly.

Unfortunately the side-effect is going to be harsh feelings, retaliation, etc. and that's not going to help anyone. I just hope that the thread, which is one of the best threads going if you remove the sidetrack, gets back on course.

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Oh sure, you finally have a real show instead of discussing HD bullshit and sitcoms and I didn't hear a fucking word of it. If that's not a conspiracy, I don't know what is.

you could have listened with your linux box, with xmms. let me know if you need help. (I know you drink lots of merlot at night and have trouble with computers)

[Useless]

Well, I finally downloaded last night's show and listened to the full 1:28. I went through a range of emotions while listening and I paced a lot. I learned that if I come on the board and tell you that "the sky is not exactly blue", someone will go the radio show and tell you that I said "the sky is red". And someone will claim that I'm twisting another's words while twisting mine.

BTW, anyone who doesn't agree with me is a whiner and a dickhead.

[Loganp8000]

Lauren and I just listened to the show. Now it's time to read the threads and I will post my opinions- (Just what we need huh?)

ALOHA

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...anyone who doesn't agree with me is a whiner and a dickhead.

I know you are but what am I?

Simon

::the racist...evidently::

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Simon

I know you are but what am I?

You are whiney little cunt! Oh wait, that's what Surfn said. Okay, he didn't really say that, but I'm going to claim that what he said was equal to that even if all he did was comment on your age.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You are whiney little cunt! Oh wait, that's what Surfn said. Okay, he didn't really say that, but I'm going to claim that what he said was equal to that even if all he did was comment on your age.

I resemble that remark

[RawAlex]

How dare you call Trixie that? You suck!

Alex

[Ms Naughty]

OK... I still haven't listened to the show, mainly because I was working yesterday, but also because I'm wondering whether I need to spend an hour or so listening to something that may or may not be controversial but will ultimately not make me any money. As fun as the radio show is, I don't have time for it this week.

But can I just say: When Greenie said he was going to discuss that "political influence" thread on the radio show, I thought he was actually going to discuss the original issues - labels, COPA, greater involvement in the FSC and how to get our message out to the public...

While the whole "feminist" thing was originally based on that last point, it has got bogged down in argument and got off topic.

Would Greenie and Jim consider doing a radio show about the original issues?