Question For The Guys: Why facials? - Page 5

Trixie · 2008-05-19, 10:49 PM

Grandma! I just got your email and had to come here and find/read Toni's post(s) and high five her.

As far as facials go, I can see the appeal on many levels for facials, but like you I'm annoyed by how ubiquitous they've become in porn; it's like it's impossible to find a cumshot anywhere else.

When I'm watching porn I do personally enjoy seeing a cumshot splattered just about anywhere (again, I'd prefer more variety instead of every scene ending in a facial). As far as receiving facials, I don't know if I'd ever have done it if not for being in porn and wanting to provide that for my members' enjoyment, but now that I've done it I can understand the hotness of getting one: it's exciting to be able to watch it happen and feel it on your skin at the same time. Of course, you can feel it on your tits or belly and watch it at the same time, too, so I don't think it would ever be something I'd prefer outside of content production unless, of course, there's a hot roleplay going on.

I know if I had a cock I would want to cum on someone's face and engage in some taboo roleplays, too. Again, I think the degradation is way overplayed in porn and there's not enough variety; the overload (ha) of it is what bothers me more than the concept itself.

If someone would have asked me this question when I was 23 or younger I'd have had a totally different response / would have felt like crying at the thought of it - back in those days (early/mid 90s) it wasn't something you saw everywhere, every day. I don't know how much of my attitude change is desensitization, maturing, having more experience, getting to know my customers personally / doing phone sex, etc., feeling more powerful / less threatened by men, or what.

One thing that annoys me is how few light femdom sites there are featuring women smearing their pussy juices all over guys' faces; there's such a huge market for that yet everyone is so focused on CHICK'S getting facials. That kind of imbalance is part of what annoys me about facials in porn. And yeah, the training kids are getting to do stuff like this and consider it par for the course.

Toni KatVixen · 2008-05-20, 12:28 AM

Thanks for all the kind words.

I guess my main purpose to all this was to put a "human" face to the content folks and share what they go thru. With this board being promoters, a lot of that is lost and not thought of.

But the folks on this board is much more open to seeing the other side then others, which is why is it is pretty much the only public board I surf and post to, even if I don't post much.

tigermom · 2008-05-20, 06:29 AM

Just wanted to add my thanks, Toni, for the frank detailed posts. I have a lot of respect, and even admiration for some of the performers (you and Lorsha would be prime examples). You both come across as strong, smart and independent women - and I bring and a few others (Sabrina Deep too) as examples whenever the so-called-feminist anti-porn arguments come up. You are breaking new cultural grounds, in many ways, and I hope that you know that many women are actually enjoying more sexual freedom of expression thanks to your efforts!

I hope for Americans that the standards in the US are changing. I won't say every single Israeli is ok with porn, but so far, I don't think I met one single family member or friend who had any problems with me publishing porn sites. I think pretty much everyone knows. Well, maybe not my grandfathers (it never came up in conversation!) but my parents, brothers, in-laws, everyone knows. Friends too, parents of other school kids. If the topic came up, I answered and never hid anything. People were curious mainly about the business model (same as they are about mainstream) and that was it, basically.

horndog · 2008-05-21, 03:56 PM

It’s interesting to here the reality of what it is like to be a performer in this business from actual perfomers and to hear stories of people being run out of their homes and towns does remind one of the salem witch trials. If people don’t understand your life or why you choice to do things then its seems they may just react negatively to something they don’t understand.

I would imagine one could become a little hardened after being a perfomer and I don’t mean the kind of hardening you get in your pants from time to time.

But at the end of the day, somebody has to make the decision to get in front of the camera and perform, or else their would be no content to look at, no websites to promote, etc, etc.
I’m glad plenty of perfomers keep making the decision to get in front of the camera as a world without porn, naked women, and porn stars would be a pretty dull world.

As for facials it’s probably just a sign of the industry evolving and catering to what people want to see . I’m sure their probably is more types of content available today
that wasn’t even around say 10 years ago, like squirting, big cock sites, midget porn, milf sites, etc.

2008-05-19, 10:49 PM	#101
Trixie Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch my self in two places at once Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: near Seattle WA Posts: 183	Grandma! I just got your email and had to come here and find/read Toni's post(s) and high five her. As far as facials go, I can see the appeal on many levels for facials, but like you I'm annoyed by how ubiquitous they've become in porn; it's like it's impossible to find a cumshot anywhere else. When I'm watching porn I do personally enjoy seeing a cumshot splattered just about anywhere (again, I'd prefer more variety instead of every scene ending in a facial). As far as receiving facials, I don't know if I'd ever have done it if not for being in porn and wanting to provide that for my members' enjoyment, but now that I've done it I can understand the hotness of getting one: it's exciting to be able to watch it happen and feel it on your skin at the same time. Of course, you can feel it on your tits or belly and watch it at the same time, too, so I don't think it would ever be something I'd prefer outside of content production unless, of course, there's a hot roleplay going on. I know if I had a cock I would want to cum on someone's face and engage in some taboo roleplays, too. Again, I think the degradation is way overplayed in porn and there's not enough variety; the overload (ha) of it is what bothers me more than the concept itself. If someone would have asked me this question when I was 23 or younger I'd have had a totally different response / would have felt like crying at the thought of it - back in those days (early/mid 90s) it wasn't something you saw everywhere, every day. I don't know how much of my attitude change is desensitization, maturing, having more experience, getting to know my customers personally / doing phone sex, etc., feeling more powerful / less threatened by men, or what. One thing that annoys me is how few light femdom sites there are featuring women smearing their pussy juices all over guys' faces; there's such a huge market for that yet everyone is so focused on CHICK'S getting facials. That kind of imbalance is part of what annoys me about facials in porn. And yeah, the training kids are getting to do stuff like this and consider it par for the course. __________________ A Girl, a Guy, and a Tranny - Unique Indie Porn!

2008-05-20, 12:28 AM	#102
Toni KatVixen Nobody gets into heaven without a glowstick Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 420	Thanks for all the kind words. I guess my main purpose to all this was to put a "human" face to the content folks and share what they go thru. With this board being promoters, a lot of that is lost and not thought of. But the folks on this board is much more open to seeing the other side then others, which is why is it is pretty much the only public board I surf and post to, even if I don't post much. __________________ Peace toni@katvixen.com

2008-05-20, 06:29 AM	#103
tigermom You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 893	Just wanted to add my thanks, Toni, for the frank detailed posts. I have a lot of respect, and even admiration for some of the performers (you and Lorsha would be prime examples). You both come across as strong, smart and independent women - and I bring and a few others (Sabrina Deep too) as examples whenever the so-called-feminist anti-porn arguments come up. You are breaking new cultural grounds, in many ways, and I hope that you know that many women are actually enjoying more sexual freedom of expression thanks to your efforts! I hope for Americans that the standards in the US are changing. I won't say every single Israeli is ok with porn, but so far, I don't think I met one single family member or friend who had any problems with me publishing porn sites. I think pretty much everyone knows. Well, maybe not my grandfathers (it never came up in conversation!) but my parents, brothers, in-laws, everyone knows. Friends too, parents of other school kids. If the topic came up, I answered and never hid anything. People were curious mainly about the business model (same as they are about mainstream) and that was it, basically. __________________ XLEF

2008-05-21, 03:56 PM	#104
horndog Well you know boys, a nuclear reactor is a lot like women. You just have to read the manual and press the right button Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 154	It’s interesting to here the reality of what it is like to be a performer in this business from actual perfomers and to hear stories of people being run out of their homes and towns does remind one of the salem witch trials. If people don’t understand your life or why you choice to do things then its seems they may just react negatively to something they don’t understand. I would imagine one could become a little hardened after being a perfomer and I don’t mean the kind of hardening you get in your pants from time to time. But at the end of the day, somebody has to make the decision to get in front of the camera and perform, or else their would be no content to look at, no websites to promote, etc, etc. I’m glad plenty of perfomers keep making the decision to get in front of the camera as a world without porn, naked women, and porn stars would be a pretty dull world. As for facials it’s probably just a sign of the industry evolving and catering to what people want to see . I’m sure their probably is more types of content available today that wasn’t even around say 10 years ago, like squirting, big cock sites, midget porn, milf sites, etc. Last edited by horndog; 2008-05-21 at 03:59 PM..