2257 Injunction has been filed

[Useless]

Jeezus! She makes it sound as if nobody will bear the burden of record keeping. Nice of her to tell only 1/8th of the story.

[rollergirl]

Very sloppily written article.

[Toby]

There is no way the mainstream media can get this story right. Those of us in the industry are having a hard time understanding all the issues involved, so there is no way that someone without any experience as an adult webmaster/producer/model can begin to comprehend this well enough to even ask the right questions.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Linkster

For those of you that havent seen it a write in the new world has filed a story about this and it is rather sad how she put it in the article - but its being picked up by every newspaper in the world now:

Posted on Fri, Jun. 17, 2005





Porn industry group seeks to block rules

KIM NGUYEN

Associated Press


DENVER - A coalition representing the porn industry has asked a court to block federal regulations requiring pornographers and distributors to keep records of their performers' ages and identities.

The regulations, approved by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in May, could stop the distribution of pornographic material produced since the mid-1990s, according to the lawsuit filed Thursday in federal court in Denver.

The regulations require producers to keep detailed information to verify the identity and age of their performers, including date of birth, legal name, and a copy of a photo identification card. The rules, which would take effect June 23, aim to stop child pornography and ensure the performers are not minors.

They would apply to adult material dating to July 3, 1995. Violators face up to five years in prison for a first offense and 10 years for subsequent violations.

The Free Speech Coalition, its chapter in Colorado, a pornography distributor, and adult film producer filed the lawsuit seeking to block the regulations. They argue that the guidelines are an unconstitutional burden and would do little to protect children.

Jeff Dorschner, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said he had not yet seen the case

Nice find -- about what I would expect from the AP.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by xxxjay

Nice find -- about what I would expect from the AP.

Too true, too true...

[2msacras]

Hey, I have friends that write for the ap. Definetly didn't write this article though.

[basschick]

Linkster - what's the url for that story?

[tickler]

Originally Posted by 2msacras

Hey, I have friends that write for the ap. Definetly didn't write this article though.

Slip them this link for an inside scoop:
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/F...7_Comments.htm

[Leon]

by looking at http://www.javes.com i wonder is porn biz will be renamed to erotic biz ?

[Linkster]

basschick - on google go to the news tab and type in porn - then sort by most recent and you should see 100 different news organizations and newspapers that have picked up that story - and jus reprinted it with the exception of thjis one that seems to have embellished it a little
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...16/detail.html

Looking over the list its getting some widespread play as Forbes, BusinessWeek the San Francisco Chronicle etc are reprinting the story - just my opinion here but it sure would have been wise for the FSC to file a news release when they did this so that the facts could get out there - especially since its so easy to do with the AP

[Mister13]

Guess after the failure of removing softcore from hotels they went to this.

So...uh...at least 3 more years of this Bullshit eh?

[Linkster]

Mister13 - you havent heard - theyve introduced legislation to go back to the extendable terms - so that a sitting president can go for more terms - of course with the alternative being one Haley Barbour - believe me Id rather have Bush

[babymaker]

Say it ain't so Linkster i knew that fuck would do whatever to be in more terms, what is the new legislation any links?? at the same time he might be impeached

[Toby]

Excellent article by AVN

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231124

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Toby

Excellent article by AVN

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231124

An excerpt:

But the main charge in the suit is to the entire concept of 2257: that protected sexual speech has been burdened with a regulation that, in essence, requires it to prove itself innocent of using minors in its creation, rather than requiring the government to meet its constitutional burden of proving the speech guilty.

That's all we're trying to say.
Good find Toby.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Toby

Excellent article by AVN

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=231124

THAT's what I've been waiting for...a "meat and potatoes" explanation of what the FSC is doing. Now I feel much better about them having some of my cash

It's truly tragic that a trade organization for webmasters can't get their online billing to work, though....

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Linkster

- just my opinion here but it sure would have been wise for the FSC to file a news release when they did this so that the facts could get out there - especially since its so easy to do with the AP

I said the same thing face to face with Tom Haymes - I agree. The AP is getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.

[MadMax]

New 2257 Home Page From AVN. Mainly for AVN advertisers, but there are a couple good things for all adult WM there.

http://www.avn.com/2257

[Mister13]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Mister13 - you havent heard - theyve introduced legislation to go back to the extendable terms - so that a sitting president can go for more terms - of course with the alternative being one Haley Barbour - believe me Id rather have Bush

SWEET!

Cause I love complaining!

[basschick]

Linkster - thank you

does anyone else here think that what our industry really needs is a publicist? seriously... gambling used to have a terrible rap, but then vegas people got together, had news stories and stuff put out, and now gambling is wholesome family fun.

most of us are careful to report cp when we find it, we never would use it on our sites, and there are some intellegent and articulate members in our community. also there are pornstars like nina hartley who not only are actors, but also directors and producers. the world doesn't see people like that. maybe it's time they did.

just a thought...

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by babymaker

Say it ain't so Linkster i knew that fuck would do whatever to be in more terms, what is the new legislation any links?? at the same time he might be impeached

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:hj24:
Introduced in the current session of congress in Feb - it actually repeals the entire 22nd amendment which includes the term limits for the president - it has been sent to subcommittee where it is being reviewed presently

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by basschick

Linkster - thank you

most of us are careful to report cp when we find it, we never would use it on our sites, and there are some intellegent and articulate members in our community. ...

Ya know the worst part about the reporting that we do is that in the past I always thought that reporting it to ASACP would cover me - and I do still report and fully support them - but in reading through regs today I found out that if you do not report it to a specific center (The something Exploitation Center) then you are still committing a crime as you have not followed the regs for reporting it and you are not covered if you get hauled out for it.

[WannaShagg]

2257 is supposed to be a deterant to CP. I can not see how. Producers of CP are criminals. Criminals do not abide by laws in the first place, obviously. So the only thing 2257 will do is exactly this. Which is make a lot of innocent webmasters, who are law abiding citizens, scramble and worry about how they are going to maintain their income. Which in most cases is way to meager to maintain life and needs to be supplemented anyway. 2257 is not going to impact people making CP in the least. It is a crock of shit. I myself am a producer and my sites primary model. As it is right now I do not divulge my physical address in my 2257 records. If and when the fed want to come see me, they know exactly where I am, what my business name is and what exactly it is that I do. I do not plan to take down anything and I also am not going to give out my identity and physical location. If they would like they can come and lock me up. I'll fucking rot in the cell they take me to and the people making CP will still be making it. 2257 is not going to do jack shit about the illegal production of porn using under aged models because the people are criminals and obviously pay no attention to the law anyway. Amen. Thanks and have a great day.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Linkster

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:hj24:
Introduced in the current session of congress in Feb - it actually repeals the entire 22nd amendment which includes the term limits for the president - it has been sent to subcommittee where it is being reviewed presently

Oh great, el Presidente Bush for life.

Although it looks like they need 3/4 of the different states to agree.

[serenity]

Fox News Channel ran a quickie news item on their screen ticker about the coalition filing the lawsuit. Of course they got the facts wrong and it went by so fast it made my head spin.

I wish some of these "journalists" would have the balls to actually interview a couple of people in the industry for their take on the situation. It would be nice to have some facts for a change. Oh, I forgot that's too much like genuine unbiased journalism.