Somnophilia definition

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Again, reading comprehension is an issue.

ya know thats a bit insulting

a debate can be fun, intersting and good for all involved

but nobody is gonna pay any attention to you with this holeyer then thou attitude

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Trixie

I've come to the conclusion that the main problem with trying to have a discussion with other webmasters is that most of them are borderline illiterate.

In a writing class years ago, the professor would incessantly get on my case about how I tended to insult rather than argue. He explained (repeatedly) that any valid point I may have had was lost the moment I resolved to stop arguing and begin insulting. The audience's natural reaction is take offense and cease listening. It seems he has been proven right once again.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

In a writing class years ago, the professor would incessantly get on my case about how I tended to insult rather than argue. He explained (repeatedly) that any valid point I may have had was lost the moment I resolved to stop arguing and begin insulting. The audience's natural reaction is take offense and cease listening. It seems he has been proven right once again.

Guilty as charged.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Guilty as charged.

I do, by the way, agree with your post that has started this current shit storm.

I had promised myself not to enter these threads since I read John's post a few days ago because it pissed me off so much that I knew I couldn't write coherently and all of my sputtering and stammering resulted in my keyboard getting drowned in spittle. So, I blame you that I'm awake right now.

[Tommy]

I bet Trixie is typing her ass off right now :-)

and yes I already know I should have capitalized the S in sirmoby

[Ms Naughty]

Trixie - thanks for your posts. I thought you made your points well.

[Stever]

Free speach or free anything HAS TO HAVE LIMITS. Period. No matter how the decision is to be made on where that limit will lie, and for how long it will lie there before it gets nudged forwards or backwards. So we all get to debate or bitch and moan over where that limit is.

A full-on rape site that made no attempt at trying to hide the fact that people were actually being raped most obviously does not pass the limit test for freedom of speach. Those who think freedom should allow this are free to have their freedoms removed in jail. And for those "adult enough" to "Choose" to View it????

Now as far as Sleep Assault goes, the concept as a fantasy has merit, BUT, they crossed the line when they choose the word ASSAULT. |badidea|

Tommy, come on,

but on the other hand I always find it a little funny when pornographers are offended by a website

a lot of people would be just as offended at your sites (not solely directed at Susanna)
does that mean they should be shut down ????

I mean if your sites should be able to stay online even though it offends millions of people then should someone elses site be shutdown because your offended.

that seems very hyporcritical

so where does C.P. lie in relation to that statement.

If nobody took the effort to openly object to sites that cross the line, or flirt a little to closely to the line, then where would we be. Surrouded by C.P. and beastialty? And there would be no legitimacy to the adult industry whatsoever.

It is very interesting how many people are saying they read all the threads on this topic. Even if that is all they say in their post. Many are curious and wondering where their own line should be drawn, just look at how many views all the threads on this topic have recieved. Take the multiple threads and combine them and it is sitting at fourth top viewed thread in General Business section (and im ignoring the "Hey yournamehere - What's this Rage Thing" thread that is in 3rd spot). All this in less than two weeks. That tells me there is a reason behind the shit storm it is causing.

Many are holding off making statements out of respect for the board owners. They deserve that, and thankfully those who come down on the against side on this issue are not cutting down GG&J. Only commenting on the topic of the site. Though some tempers flare a bit here and there

My statement, as I am free to make it, is the site should either be dropped or, renamed and some copy rewritten.

[jackie]

Susanna,

I am curious what you think of the Redlight District Movie "Assault That Ass" since it has that same word "Assault" in there, but it's not simulated rape or anything like that, it's just lots of hard anal sex, double penetrations... http://www.searchextreme.com/moviede...2/49934306841/
They also have a dvd called "Weapons of Ass Destruction." Would you consider that
"harmful" as well, since it uses the word "destruction"?

I am a female, but I still don't find that sleeping site that bad. I draw the line at
CP and beastiality, but other than that I would promote anything that makes me $$$

I don't think watching even simulated "assault" type stuff will make someone want to actually assault someone. Either they are sick in their minds to begin with, or their not. But I don't think there is anything wrong with "fantasy" even if it's distateful fantasy.

I admit there were times when I fantasized I was being overpowered or assaulted by some guy... lol
Fantasy is just fantasy.... even if it's a little bit violent or rough, it's still "make-belief" and the site is simulated. I really don't think it's a big deal at all.

[Tommy]

Stever
C.P. is outright illegal, so thats where it stands and we arent talking about that
I am sorry if you dont argee with me
I do think its hyporcritical for pornographers to be offended

lets not forget this sleep site is about dollars. They pushing the envlope because they think the shock value will make money

everyone here is part of this problem (a small part). The shock sites have been coming out for awhile and most people premote them and most webmasters made money with them so......

like i said most religious (millions) people would have the same exact problem with your sites, as you have with the sleep site

the same exact problem

all the bitchin in the world here is not gonna change a thing
the only thing I can do is not premote it
in fact I am not gonna premote any of their sites because of that 1

and I hope no one gets upset by my opinion

and yes I have read and throughly understood all the posts


Trixie you keep posting about how smart you are, is it really smart to offend other people on this board. It could have easely turned in to a pissing match and that would take away from the debate that you care so much about

saying something like again reading comprehension is the problem and

Reading comprehension: if only we could purchase it as easily as a viagra-induced erection.

I see it simply as an attack because you dont like my opinions

but who knows maybe a pissing match is your goal

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I do think its hyporcritical for pornographers to be offended

I disagree and I think I have a small analogy that is a pretty fair comparison. It's going to seem like I'm nit-picking, but it's the point of my arguement, so... I'm eating a bowl of Raisen Bran right now. Generally, I like cereal. Yes, saying that UW likes cereal is a pretty sound statement. However, I don't like the overly sweetened shit my kids demand every time we pass through the cereal isle of the grocery store. I don't think that I'm hypocritical if I say, I like cereal, but I won't eat Fruit Loops.

To say that pornographers are hypocrites for being selective or being offended by a certain genre of porn would mean that we must accept ALL pornography; legal, ethical, or not. Pornography is an industry, not a virtue or belief system. There really isn't any hypocrisy here - just selectivity.

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I disagree and I think I have a small analogy that is a pretty fair comparison. It's going to seem like I'm nit-picking, but it's the point of my arguement, so... I'm eating a bowl of Raisen Bran right now. Generally, I like cereal. Yes, saying that UW likes cereal is a pretty sound statement. However, I don't like the overly sweetened shit my kids demand every time we pass through the cereal isle of the grocery store. I don't think that I'm hypocritical if I say, I like cereal, but I won't eat Fruit Loops.

To say that pornographers are hypocrites for being selective or being offended by a certain genre of porn would mean that we must accept ALL pornography; legal, ethical, or not. Pornography is an industry, not a virtue or belief system. There really isn't any hypocrisy here - just selectivity.

I get your point UW but we have two threads of agruments here. 1. What should be legal? and 2. What is ethical?

There isn't a country in the world that doesn't have some limits on free speech. Libel and slander laws limit speech for instance. So we debate what should and should not be legal. [I say with porn its got to be informed consenting adults.] On the otherhand ethics, some might say, is personal taste. [I find the sight lame, offensive and I will not promote it thereby exercising my market power in a free society.]

So I agree with your post but I want to clear up that you can have opposing legal and ethical opinions about the site in question and not be in conflict.

---art

P.S. If you know the tune sing along ... this is the thread that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Someone started writing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue replying to it forever just because, ... [from the top] ...

[Useless]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

...but I want to clear up that you can have opposing legal and ethical opinions about the site in question and not be in conflict.

Very true. I dislike the site, but I can't see anything that would make it illegal. Distasteful - yes, but illegal - no.

Frankly, I'm not sure I even know what anyone is arguing about any longer. I think all of us, or at least most of us, agree that we don't like the site. Now we are just arguing about how emphatically we dislike it and why we dislike it. Neat, huh?

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Frankly, I'm not sure I even know what anyone is arguing about any longer. I think all of us, or at least most of us, agree that we don't like the site. Now we are just arguing about how emphatically we dislike it and why we dislike it. Neat, huh?

Good point. Back to work!

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

To say that pornographers are hypocrites for being selective or being offended by a certain genre of porn would mean that we must accept ALL pornography; legal, ethical, or not.

I agree that ALL pornographers are not hypocrites. The ones that are trying to impart thier own morals on everyone else most certainly are.

I chose not to promote shock sites or watch shock TV. I also don't tell people to not watch Nip Tuck, The Shield, CSI, Law & Order or all that other stuff even though I have strong feelings against those.

People have the right to live whatever fantasies they wish as long as they are not breaking any laws in the process. I have the right to not promote or view the same things.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I agree that ALL pornographers are not hypocrites. The ones that are trying to impart thier own morals on everyone else most certainly are.

What is moral varies from person to person. One is born with morals. I'm not sure where expressing a moral opinion could be deemed as hypocrisy. Saying "I think porn is a sin", then viewing porn at night when your wife is in bed is hypocritical. But being selective about the porn you like and stating that others are wrong for not sharing your same tastes or sense of morality is not hypocritical.

There has been some argument over ethical standards. Ethics, being more of a set of moral-based rules shared by a community, are a bit more tricky since we assume that, unlike the morals we are born with, we all share them. I think we've found that there isn't much of an ethical standard here. We are all relying on our own morals to decipher right from wrong. This could be like discussing religion. Agreement will never be reached and someone is bound to get poked in the ass by a priest.

[Surfn]

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

People have the right to live whatever fantasies they wish as long as they are not breaking any laws in the process.

I understand where this is coming from but let me stretch the argument and take us back to 1860, back when selling people like cattle were completely legal, whether or not you owned a slave was a business decision, and the law of the land said blacks were 1/3 human.

A slave owner threatened by abolishionists' angry protests saying you *shouldn't* own slaves and you should let them go, would have probably said, "it's my freedom and my choice to own slaves. By the way I'm not breaking any laws. So, why don't you go mind your own business you moralistic son of a bitches and stop making so much fuss?"

Well, after a bloody war, that choice was taken away, and the world was left a better place because of it.

I'm not saying Sleep Assault is comparable to slavery on any level, but choice and freedom defined by law is no justification because law isn't perfect and it's subject to change, as we can see from DOJ fiddling with 2257.

[Stever]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I also don't tell people to not watch Nip Tuck, The Shield, CSI, Law & Order or all that other stuff even though I have strong feelings against those.

Nip Tuck is great! those other cop and law shows though, blah! boring.

[swedguy]

This thread needs furrygirl!

[furrygirl]

Originally Posted by swedguy

This thread needs furrygirl!

Thanks for your vote of confidence, but I think I really said all I had to say in the main thread about Sleep Assault. There gets to be a point in every discussion like this that people don't even know what they're arguing about any longer, so I'm going to focus my time on getting my third paysite ready for launch.


But, I will add that Nip/Tuck is one of the best shows on TV, from what I saw of the first season. Season two is out on DVD on the 30th!

[Ms Naughty]

You know what... I just can't resist it, even though this thread has had it's day.

I just have to include a link to this site:
http://www.sleepingmen.com

It's about a gay guy sneaking into the rooms of straight guys who are asleep, feeling them up and sucking them off.

On priciple I won't promote this site either, as again there are issues of lack of consent which offend me.

What is interesting though is that this gay guy is sneaking up on men while they're asleep and making THEM come. There's even a scenario where the straight guy wakes up and welcomes the advances of the gay guy.

This to me seems to resemble the kind of somnophilia fantasy that the other Ragecash site is supposedly about. I've said before, if the women were actually enjoying themselves on that site it might be more palatable to me.

Someone said previously that copy and context is everything. I'll agree with that.

OK... back to work for me. As I said, I probably shouldn't have posted this but I came across that site and it just seemed to fit in with some of the things others had posted previously.