Katrina aftermath - what the fuck???

[sue-fl]

Yes it does seem to be a racial issue to me also. It's just sad that it has come to this in light of such a tradegy. Sure help is on it's way, people will get moved out of there into safer places. I agree with Chop Smith that they will rebound. I just think if the poor had been moved out like they should have before the storm it wouldn't be so bad. What the hell was the local goverment thinking in not bringing the buses in before hand instead of scrambling now?? It was on the news as soon as the storm left Florida it was going to be a big problem.

I think dochollys post about how black take and white find is what angers me so much. It's the news that help spread this kind of stuff that angers so many and starts trouble. Sure the black poor citizens were over looked which is unforgiveable. But why add to it by reporting shit like they did on yahoo??
I don't care if a person is black, white, purple etc.. they could have stop a lot of whats going on if they had just got them out.....before

I just wish there was something I could do to help.

[emmanuelle]

The south will rise again, just like Atlanta.
Southerners are incredibly proud and independant

Hurricanes Cindy and Dennis were expected to be severe, and did not live up to their hype. When the warnings came for Katrina, they were not taken seriously enough.

Forget about racism, who is at fault and everything else that armchair analysts seem to be preoccupied with. Get yourself over to the redcross site and see what you can do to be part of the solution. Hundreds of thousands of people have been affected in that region alone, not to mention the entire continent's economy.

Everyone joined together when 9-11 happened, and even for the tsunami crisis. America needs to pull itself together again for one of it's own. The longer we argue and delay help, the more people who die.

[Bill]

I think it's absolutely a political issue. And it will become hugely more so as the repercussions of this event unfold.

People have known NO was a disaster waiting to happen for a long, long time.

But, there will be time enough for the politics of this in the future. Investigations will tell us a great deal.

It's going to be a hellish night for those folks. Hopefully tomorrow the relief trucks will arrive.

[CaptainJSparrow]

One more thing, word around here is that Fats Domino is staying at Jamarcus Russell's (the quarterback for LSU) place. Not sure if it's true or not, but I think that it is.

[Lemmy]

First of all, I'm glad the board members are safe.

I can't respond to everything you said, it's too late and I'm tired, but fuck man you're heartless. They're too dumb to get out, so it serves them right?

Regarding your big brother comment, you can and should have it "both ways". The reason governments are created in the first place (in democracies) is to provide basic safety for the citizens, but at the same time stay out of or private affairs. Hurricane relief seems like a prime example of what any self-respecting government should provide.

[Dr Bizzaro]

Who said Bush cut his vacation 2 days short due to the Katrina?

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Dr Bizzaro

Who said Bush cut his vacation 2 days short due to the Katrina?

something consistant about that elite club that includes Nero fiddling, Cake eating Marie Antoinette and George reading er fishing..

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

The south will rise again, just like Atlanta.
Southerners are incredibly proud and independant

Hurricanes Cindy and Dennis were expected to be severe, and did not live up to their hype. When the warnings came for Katrina, they were not taken seriously enough.

Forget about racism, who is at fault and everything else that armchair analysts seem to be preoccupied with. Get yourself over to the redcross site and see what you can do to be part of the solution. Hundreds of thousands of people have been affected in that region alone, not to mention the entire continent's economy.

Everyone joined together when 9-11 happened, and even for the tsunami crisis. America needs to pull itself together again for one of it's own. The longer we argue and delay help, the more people who die.

Well said. I admit I'm not overly charitable by nature, but I cruised on over to redcross.org and donated after reading your post.

[Useless]

The more I watch the coverage, the more it saddens me to see that our government is, for all intents and purposes, allowing people to starve and to die from dehydration. This is one sorry state of affairs. You cannot tell me that there is no way to reach these people. If a damned news crew can film them, then why can't the national guard get in there with food and water? It's sad that it requires armed people to restore order, but that's what happens when you allow people to feel abandoned. Mob rules will always take over in the absense of authority.

[spookyx]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

The more I watch the coverage, the more it saddens me to see that our government is, for all intents and purposes, allowing people to starve and to die from dehydration. This is one sorry state of affairs. You cannot tell me that there is no way to reach these people. If a damned news crew can film them, then why can't the national guard get in there with food and water? It's sad that it requires armed people to restore order, but that's what happens when you allow people to feel abandoned. Mob rules will always take over in the absense of authority.

so true UW. and about the guns... if my family was stuck and starving, I would prolly grab one too.

[Kinky]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

The more I watch the coverage, the more it saddens me to see that our government is, for all intents and purposes, allowing people to starve and to die from dehydration. This is one sorry state of affairs. You cannot tell me that there is no way to reach these people. If a damned news crew can film them, then why can't the national guard get in there with food and water? It's sad that it requires armed people to restore order, but that's what happens when you allow people to feel abandoned. Mob rules will always take over in the absense of authority.

one reason is that most of our national guard is in Iraq fighting for "freedom" and dubya isn't smart enough to figure out where to get the manpower to help...

it was also nice to see him take a low pass real quick over in air force one to check the damage instead of actually giving two shits and getting in a chopper and visiting the damaged area... so many people said he was "a great leader" after 9/11 well what the fuck happened? he is a friggin' retard with a perma smirk

[Tubey]

Originally Posted by kinky

one reason is that most of our national guard is in Iraq fighting for "freedom" and dubya isn't smart enough to figure out where to get the manpower to help...

it was also nice to see him take a low pass real quick over in air force one to check the damage instead of actually giving two shits and getting in a chopper and visiting the damaged area... so many people said he was "a great leader" after 9/11 well what the fuck happened? he is a friggin' retard with a perma smirk

It is taking longer than it should but you just can't send in 30k troops onto bourbon st, you have to know where to send them to make them effective. The devastation doesn't just start at NO either most of the roads are AFU to get them there. It does take a little time to get the troops called in and loaded up planned out as far as where they are going to sleep and how they are going to get fed as well. The airport is being used to stage rescue ops of the living if the pres stopped there it would hault operations (due to security reasons) for hours while he was there and I don't believe anyone would like to stop rescue ops so I believe he made the right choice not to stop in and take a peek. Tues the Coast Guard alone did over 1700 rescue missions not including the other branches of the service. In short the whole area is a mess and it is a HUGE mess. Roads are destroyed bridges out, people shooting, looting, and running around like crazy. I think this is the first time since the civil war that an entire city was ever evacuated.
I think we should figure out how to fix the problem not who to blame.
Just my $.02

[Trev]

Originally Posted by kinky

one reason is that most of our national guard is in Iraq fighting for "freedom" and dubya isn't smart enough to figure out where to get the manpower to help...

Exactly. I heard they were calling up Coast Guard reserves. Even that takes time. They have a huge hospital ship coming. From Baltimore.................... it should be there in 3-4 days. Everything should be there in 2-4 days..... but meanwhile.......

[Tubey]

I recently started on a quest to help, My goal was to create a list of shelters and possibley the names of people within to help locate family members separated and sheltered in different locations. I called alot of people today and this was the result....

-----Original Message-----
From: Specenl1@aol.com [mailto:Specenl1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To:
Subject: Making of website list from Terry

Hello,

I am trying to make a list of people located in shelters so other family members can locate loved ones during the disaster. I do some web work and purchased the domain shelterlist.com to try to accomplish this task. The domain will not be active for a few more hours and so far I have contacted the coast guard, fema, and have tried to contact the redcross to get some sort of list started. At this time fema has no such list, nor does the coast guard, I am hoping the redcross may have some information that would start this process.
I can be contacted through this e-mail address
Thanks for any input you can give,
Terry

Terry,
The American Red Cross does not post the names of individuals located in shelters due to confidentiality reasons.
Take care.
American Red Cross of Central Florida


I still have some people trying to figure out a way to get the info about the shelters but it seems this may be very difficult at this point.
ANY IDEAS???
Terry

[docholly]

Moveon.org has a website called Hurricane Housing which lists shelters, organizations and families that are offering short and long term shelter. Even tho we are in vegas we added ours as we have a spare room and who knows.. at least vegas has jobs.

Also Craigslist.org is posting information for NOLA and surrounding areas about housing, food, jobs etc and i think they were starting a "here is where I am" list.. for those who are looking kind of like what they did after 9-11.

[Tubey]

Originally Posted by Tubey

I recently started on a quest to help, My goal was to create a list of shelters and possibley the names of people within to help locate family members separated and sheltered in different locations. I called alot of people today and this was the result....

-----Original Message-----
From: Specenl1@aol.com [mailto:Specenl1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:10 PM
To:
Subject: Making of website list from Terry

Hello,

I am trying to make a list of people located in shelters so other family members can locate loved ones during the disaster. I do some web work and purchased the domain shelterlist.com to try to accomplish this task. The domain will not be active for a few more hours and so far I have contacted the coast guard, fema, and have tried to contact the redcross to get some sort of list started. At this time fema has no such list, nor does the coast guard, I am hoping the redcross may have some information that would start this process.
I can be contacted through this e-mail address
Thanks for any input you can give,
Terry

Terry,
The American Red Cross does not post the names of individuals located in shelters due to confidentiality reasons.
Take care.
American Red Cross of Central Florida


I still have some people trying to figure out a way to get the info about the shelters but it seems this may be very difficult at this point.
ANY IDEAS???
Terry

Guess What? I guess they do..... and they totally took the Idea and ran with it.
Don't get me wrong the red cross is and has done many wonderfull things around the world....but a little credit for the idea would be nice.......

[Linkster]

Capt Sparrow - as you know I echo everything you are saying 10 times over - we all know down here what is really going on and all I can say is that if people want to watch the news I sure hope they understand they are getting "tainted reporting"

Im really glad to hear that you guys are ok and S Spiff and the others are doing good - sounds like things are about the same down there as they are here other than the real estate boom

I can get some deisel for the truck so if you need anything carted down let me know - if anyone needs a place to get away from the hub-bub for a few days Ive got plenty of room here - or if you have a trailer or boat you need storage for - plenty of parking area

[Lemmy]

Well I don't live in Louisiana or anywhere near the South, so I don't know what's really going on. I can't insert myself into the minds of thousands of victims to see why they didn't evacuate and pass moral judgement on their need for help.

But I can pass moral judgement on the quality of a society. I do so in part by seeing how it responds to those in need wether or not they 'deserve' it.

[CaptainJSparrow]

Thanks Linkster. We're good here though. Glad to hear that you're OK too.

Lemmy. I realize that it is easy to form an opinion, and pass judgement, on things. The hard part is to realize that some of the information that you're using to form that opinion is tainted (as Linkster said) by the media.

In this instance, I read the posts and thought that some folks had the wrong opinion (based on what I've seen first hand and on what my friends have seen and we've discussed).

I know of a man that was delivering water and ice to help, and his truck with all the supplies was carjacked at gunpoint by the very same people that he was trying to help.

Folks have volunteered to go down there in their own boats to rescue these poor folks that you're talking about, and these same poor folks are shooting at their rescuers, and even taking the boats themselves.

Military helicopters are being shot at as they try to rescue people.

You know, when "we" clear out land and there are wild animals living on that land we re-locate them. The people that go in, have to take the proper precautions and wear protective clothing, etc. to protect themselves from the animals that they're trying to help. Even though it's in the animals best interest that they be relocated, they still bite the hand that's trying to save them.

Well, unfortunately, in New Orleans, a similar thing is going on. The military, the police, and the volunteers jobs are being slowed down by the folks that they are trying to rescue. There are alot of people in New Orleans that don't want to be rescued/re-located. They would rather stay and have their way (ie loot) with as many stores as they can. But once these folks get caught somewhere because of rising water, they're on TV waving flags and nice folks are saying "It's the President's fault that those poor folks are still in New Orleans." Now of course, that is not an accurate description of every person waving a flag...but I'd guess that everything that I've typed in these posts describes well over 95% of those folks that you're seeing on TV. Yesterday, as I was driving around an area that was just a block or two from the Lake, an area that had flooded, I saw a man sitting in the median on a lawn chair getting some sun and watching everything going on around him. There was no way that he has any sort of power where he was. I'm doubting that he had running water...if it ran it was certainly not drinkable. There were cars and trucks driving all around this man. If he wanted to get out, he could've flagged one of us down and someone would have taken him to safety. Instead, he sat there watching the ducks and the traffic and the storm damage. Now, should the President come on down and forceably remove this guy? He doesn't want to go. What if it rains here tomorrow, the levee breaks where he is, and he's on his roof waving a flag? The media helicopters will be flying over him (not offering assistance) and broadcasting his image all over the world and who will folks blame for this poor guy's predicament?

Most people around here know that the contra flow worked. The mandatory evactuation, in the order that they did it, worked. Most people around here know that those folks that are dead or stranded did it to themselves. We feel sorry for them, to an extent. Alot of folks around here also feel that these people are keeping the authorities from focusing on repairing the damage.

Lemmy, that is just how it really is down here in Louisiana.

[emmanuelle]

There are several regional message boards where people can post the names of the missing, as well as get out word that they are safe and where they have evacuated to.
Many are associated with local newspapers, and cnn has one as well
try these:
http://forums.sunherald.com/n/mb/lis...r-biloxkatrina
http://www.nola.com/forums/searching/
http://208.137.136.144/phpbb2/index.php
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/list/
http://kenburtonne.web116.discountas...na/Status.aspx

Here is the official gov site listing most resources http://www.firstgov.gov/Citizen/Topi...loved-ones-vgn

[Chop Smith]

Nice post, Emmauelle. Thanks.

Good video of the damage at http://www.wlbt.com/

[Tubey]

Thanks,
I will get those links up as soon as the dns resolves and I will pass the info on.
Terry

[Ms Naughty]

There are two white guys left in New Orleans and they seem to have the only beer:
http://sigmund.biz/kat20050901%20par...Picture137.jpg
(Pic taken from the DirectNIC photo pages here: http://sigmund.biz/kat20050901%20part%202/)

Yahoo has taken the "white people find" photo down but there's copies and commentary at Salon:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...rsy/index.html

I also read a news report where a black man said he considered driving his family out before the storm hit but he only had a five- person car and heard the people were being arrested for overloading cars.

:/

[dareutwo]

Just an fyi before you think I'm a complete moron - (well ok, some of you still will think so)
I did donate to the Red Cross for this on Tuesday night.
My brother and father of 4, a combat medic, is on stand by (National Guard) to fly down from Minnesota.
I have also called my local Representative.
I did call both my Senators (had to leave messages), and have done everything I could do from here.
This is simply just a complete frickin mess.
NO lies below sea level, this has been known for decades, yet they had no plan???

I have no doubt that the "South" will rebuild, but that's not the question now. The immediate question should be (and have been), "Get those people out now".

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by dareutwo

NO lies below sea level, this has been known for decades, yet they had no plan???

Does California have an earthquake plan?