20 LLs no woorway vs. 100+ LLs and many doorways

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by RedCherry

What search engines don't like is doorways that have exactly the same content, they see it is spam. Believe me, I know, I got busted for this from Google years ago, when I had the same link page on multiple domains and they banned about 75% of the domains.

Thats different because the link pages were on different domains. Replicated content on different domains is handled by google a lot differently than having replicated content within your own site. I've been asking around and everyone has a different opinion on the effect of duplicated content and doorways on a single site. Some say they get penalised and some say it makes little difference and google just chooses the "most relevant" duplicate to list in SERPs. For me it seems to be the latter.

If you do multiple doorways, however, and change up the text, graphics, etc. on each, it could be an advantage.

This is very true, if you have seven duplicates you can easily turn them into 7 individual freesites which will definately help SE. But In the time it took to change 7 freesite duplicates you could have spent that time making more freesites. And if the doorway pages have little effect on SERPs then making more freesites will be more benificial than changing the content on duplicates.

I think it is the long-term question, what are you trying to do. Get a lot of traffic off link lists (short or long term) or get less traffic and more from SE's?

Well my aim is to get the most money from my efforts. More traffic from both LLs and SEs to my freesites means more money. So i'm trying to figure out the best way to construct and submit my freesites that will bring me the most money in the long term.
So if making only one doorway and submitting to 20 LLs would bring me more cash then making many doorways and submitting to many LLs in the long term then I will just submit to 20.

Did I answer your question?

Every opinion will help make me an informed decision so thanks. And you have brought up some good discussion points

Whats everyone else got to say???

[Halfdeck]

1000 incoming links are worthless if the links point to a page Google considers spam. If Google chooses an index.html with small LL linking to it over an index.html with links from penisbot, LOR, etc, then you're shit out of luck...I wouldn't leave it up to Google to decide that for me.

To customize your free sites to make them appear unique to SEs seems to be a waste of time to me.

One suggestion I saw to use robots.txt to prevent Google from indexing the duplicate content...so you'd get nice SE traffic off your primary index.html and then pull nice LL traffic off the duplicate doorways.

Personally, I'd build 1 site and submit to 20. The 20 LL will give you say 30,000 uniques over a few months and then 5,000 or whatever from SE a month.

If you spent time submitting to the other 80, lets be optimistic and say you'd get 5,000 uniques from them a month. Still, if you had to choose between 5k from google or 5k from LLs...which would you choose?

[neveremail]

Thanks halfdeck thats some nice info.

Some questions I'd like to ask though:

1. "Incoming links are worthless if the links point to a page Google considers spam."
If google ignores those links to doorway pages then they must also ignore the outgoing links from the doorways too. If so then why do Link Lists allow you to list them on doorways in the first place?
Link popularity and SE rankings of the smaller LLs does improve overtime and I would imagine there linkbacks will be on doorway pages because no-one will include them in their precious 20. This would lead me to beleive that in fact google does take into account the links to doorway pages. But I'm open to more comments on this and maybe some examples

2. "If Google chooses an index.html with small LL linking to it over an index.html with links from penisbot, LOR, etc, then you're shit out of luck...I wouldn't leave it up to Google to decide that for me."
What does it matter which one google decides to rank in SEs. It only matters to the unlucky Link lists who are not on that doorway. But it certainly does not matter to you because your adverts are all exactly the same no matter which doorway gets listed.

Saying that I would want the version of the freesite that I list on my own site to be listed above the version I submit to LLs as it has more adverts etc.

3. "One suggestion I saw to use robots.txt to prevent Google from indexing the duplicate content...so you'd get nice SE traffic off your primary index.html and then pull nice LL traffic off the duplicate doorways."
Thats a good idea but if LLs found out Im sure they might ban you for it as I'm sure many want their Recips to be found by google.
But if it was allowed it would be a good way to make sure the ad intensive version of the freesite which I list was in the rankings and not the version I submit to LLs.

It may however be a bad idea if preventing google indexing the duplicates also means that the inbound links are then disregarded by google thus reducing your sites overall link popularity.
This of course assumes that those inbound links were worth anything to begin with.

4. "If you spent time submitting to the other 80, lets be optimistic and say you'd get 5,000 uniques from them a month. Still, if you had to choose between 5k from google or 5k from LLs...which would you choose?"
Submitting to the extra 150 LLs compared to 20 takes about an extra 30min to an hour each day so its not too time consuming.
Checking my stats I would double the figure 5k for traffic that I get from smaller LLs.
Even if you use doorways you will still get SE traffic. The question is how much does using doorways actually reduce your SE traffic.