What Makes A Paysite Go Choke? - Page 2

RawAlex · 2005-11-13, 01:07 AM

The majors didn't just drop amateur sites, they dropped all sorts of sites. Anything that was dependant on content from eastern block countries, some from asian countries... there certainly was a shakeup. It wasn't any one program dropping a ton of sites, but many of the major programs dropped sites, features, or merged sites as a result. I had to review all paysites listed on my link sites because enough of them were dropping as to be a true pain in the ass. I am thinking here that ARS dropped some of their reality sites around that time... like Supermarket Whores...

I don't really have a list of the ones I removed, for the most part it was ones and twos from programs, not entire programs or anything like that. I know for sure that it was the most paysites I have removed from link sites in a long time.

Alex

Emperor · 2005-11-13, 04:21 PM

A great way to choke is to have your affiliate site so fucked up that people can't join the program.

Here is an example:

http://www.realbigcash.com/

MeatPounder · 2005-11-13, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor

A great way to choke is to have your affiliate site so fucked up that people can't join the program.

Here is an example:

http://www.realbigcash.com/

Now that is funny

Righteous · 2005-11-15, 10:16 AM

I think a lot of folks don't apply good business principles to it, which would have been fine 5 years ago. As the industry matures and becomes more competitive with shrinking ROI the gold-rushers will find it more and more difficult to make money.

2005-11-21, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Righteous

I think a lot of folks don't apply good business principles to it, which would have been fine 5 years ago. As the industry matures and becomes more competitive with shrinking ROI the gold-rushers will find it more and more difficult to make money.

I think this is very true. As this part of the porn industry evolves the other parts of the business are taking it seriously.

Playboy just bought Lensman and his company and knowledge for $12m, sounds a lot but think of it. The traffic knowledge and facility he has now teamed with Playboys porn knowledge.

More of the established porn companies will be coming in the future and some will find this market tough.

DJilla · 2005-11-21, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

Playboy just bought Lensman and his company and knowledge for $12m, sounds a lot but think of it. The traffic knowledge and facility he has now teamed with Playboys porn knowledge.

I thought that this was an exceedingly brillant move on the part of PB which has finally broken the tradition of a lot of dumb, slow, miss the boat, kind of moves for decades. For as big as they are, they should've been ten times bigger. Wonder if this is a trend?

ronnie · 2005-11-21, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJilla

I thought that this was an exceedingly brillant move on the part of PB which has finally broken the tradition of a lot of dumb, slow, miss the boat, kind of moves for decades. For as big as they are, they should've been ten times bigger. Wonder if this is a trend?

Thats big Business for you, move slow. Look at the recording industry.

ronnie

GonZo · 2005-11-29, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham2

I think this is very true. As this part of the porn industry evolves the other parts of the business are taking it seriously.

Playboy just bought Lensman and his company and knowledge for $12m, sounds a lot but think of it. The traffic knowledge and facility he has now teamed with Playboys porn knowledge.

More of the established porn companies will be coming in the future and some will find this market tough.

This response is amusing on so many levels.

xxxjay · 2005-12-07, 07:38 AM

There is a lot of truth to that. One of the fundamental problems these days is that back a few years ago webmasters were mostly building galleries, opening linklists, or starting tgps. Now NATS has come along, and every webmaster that can afford $600 a month is starting their own program. I have personally told Albright that he should make NATS cost “a bazzilion dollars” so there wouldn’t be some lame program popping up every five seconds.

I would have never, I repeat never, would have gotten into the program business if it hadn’t been for the exclusive deal OCCash has with Evasive Angles. That is our competitive edge. The profit margins are MUCH higher when you are sending traffic to a program than trying to become one (I know because I am on both side of it). As an individual webmaster, you have your bandwidth costs (maybe an employee) and that’s about it. When you are running a program you have to think about REALLY BIG BANDWIDTH COSTS, a larger staff, advertising, content costs, software, and about a bazillion (there’s that word again) other things -- it takes a lot longer to become profitable, if you can become profitable at all.

You should really think carefully before starting a program. Most will fail – it’s like becoming a rockstar or an actor, just less fun.

Chop Smith · 2005-12-07, 10:56 AM

Jay do you still read this board? Before jumping on a bandwagon, you might consider searching the board for "NATS". Be sure to read the thread that you started about 10 months ago

2005-12-07, 07:38 AM	#9
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	There is a lot of truth to that. One of the fundamental problems these days is that back a few years ago webmasters were mostly building galleries, opening linklists, or starting tgps. Now NATS has come along, and every webmaster that can afford $600 a month is starting their own program. I have personally told Albright that he should make NATS cost “a bazzilion dollars” so there wouldn’t be some lame program popping up every five seconds. I would have never, I repeat never, would have gotten into the program business if it hadn’t been for the exclusive deal OCCash has with Evasive Angles. That is our competitive edge. The profit margins are MUCH higher when you are sending traffic to a program than trying to become one (I know because I am on both side of it). As an individual webmaster, you have your bandwidth costs (maybe an employee) and that’s about it. When you are running a program you have to think about REALLY BIG BANDWIDTH COSTS, a larger staff, advertising, content costs, software, and about a bazillion (there’s that word again) other things -- it takes a lot longer to become profitable, if you can become profitable at all. You should really think carefully before starting a program. Most will fail – it’s like becoming a rockstar or an actor, just less fun. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2005-12-07, 10:56 AM	#10
Chop Smith Eighteen 'til I Die Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,168	Jay do you still read this board? Before jumping on a bandwagon, you might consider searching the board for "NATS". Be sure to read the thread that you started about 10 months ago __________________

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2005-11-13, 01:07 AM	#1
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	The majors didn't just drop amateur sites, they dropped all sorts of sites. Anything that was dependant on content from eastern block countries, some from asian countries... there certainly was a shakeup. It wasn't any one program dropping a ton of sites, but many of the major programs dropped sites, features, or merged sites as a result. I had to review all paysites listed on my link sites because enough of them were dropping as to be a true pain in the ass. I am thinking here that ARS dropped some of their reality sites around that time... like Supermarket Whores... I don't really have a list of the ones I removed, for the most part it was ones and twos from programs, not entire programs or anything like that. I know for sure that it was the most paysites I have removed from link sites in a long time. Alex

2005-11-13, 04:21 PM	#2
Emperor WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 46	A great way to choke is to have your affiliate site so fucked up that people can't join the program. Here is an example: http://www.realbigcash.com/

2005-11-15, 10:16 AM	#4
Righteous A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 58	I think a lot of folks don't apply good business principles to it, which would have been fine 5 years ago. As the industry matures and becomes more competitive with shrinking ROI the gold-rushers will find it more and more difficult to make money.