An Open Thread To AVN & Internext...

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I am looking forward to this.

I have a question... How many people, besides those who have stated here otherwise, have actually talked directly to AVN about their issues and not just griped on a board about them?

Ill step up to that one Farrel.

I spent the better part of the first half of this year talking directly to Aly when she was with AVN concerning the Florida show.

[Useless]

I was going to ask a question, but I just read that I'm not supposed to form an opinion unless I speak to AVN directly upon said opinion's conception.

Far-l, this is how webmasters communicate with each other. This is how we toss around ideas and opinions. If AVN is too big to read the boards, even if a thread is addressed directly to them - fuck 'em. Most of us really don't even care enough to contact AVN. Why? Because they don't seem to care about us. (and some of us are dead sexy) The same shit gets expressed for every show, yet nothing seems to change. I've never been to an AVN extravaganza. I consider attending each and every time, yet I've never been convinced that it's worth the investment.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I was going to ask a question, but I just read that I'm not supposed to form an opinion unless I speak to AVN directly upon said opinion's conception.

Far-l, this is how webmasters communicate with each other. This is how we toss around ideas and opinions. If AVN is too big to read the boards, even if a thread is addressed directly to them - fuck 'em. Most of us really don't even care enough to contact AVN. Why? Because they don't seem to care about us. (and some of us are dead sexy) The same shit gets expressed for every show, yet nothing seems to change. I've never been to an AVN extravaganza. I consider attending each and every time, yet I've never been convinced that it's worth the investment.

They have made and effort to be on the boards. Even well liked people like Aly took regular bashings as a result. However, conversely, when webmasters have problems then the best place to start resolving them generally is off the boards.

Obviously, this is an issue that should be resolved publicly - but even still covering it on all the boards would be tough.

You have never even been to a show so I am not sure what basis you feel qualified to so vehemently criticize them. I still think that you are entitled to your point of view so if you feel like addressing your issues then come to the show tonight.

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Far-L

They have made and effort to be on the boards. Even well liked people like Aly took regular bashings as a result. However, conversely, when webmasters have problems then the best place to start resolving them generally is off the boards.

Obviously, this is an issue that should be resolved publicly - but even still covering it on all the boards would be tough.

You have never even been to a show so I am not sure what basis you feel qualified to so vehemently criticize them. I still think that you are entitled to your point of view so if you feel like addressing your issues then come to the show tonight.

I always said whatever they were paying Aly wasnt enough for the shit we were all giving her.

Looks like I was right too!

Rick has a find in her...shes one of the most professional people Ive ever encountered in this business. The way she handled herself during all of that was astounding and I'll never have a quarter of her patience and diplomacy skills.

On the other side of this issue I will have to say that some of the minor suggestions we had for the Florida show were implimented. So they are listening just not to the degree that we all would like for them too.

Ill have to say that no matter who puts on a show... AVN,Ynot,The Zoo or even Lightspeed... I have always been able to justify each and every trip I have taken.

In some instances it may be more difficult than others. I think success at a show is measured more by a person/company's skill with planning and execution of goals.

That being said...personally I expect Vegas to be my biggest show ever! In spite of the prices, crowds etc etc.

Everyone has known about the situation since August. What each of us has chosen to do about it will determine your amount of success.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Far-L

You have never even been to a show so I am not sure what basis you feel qualified to so vehemently criticize them.

I criticize them for all of the reasons that I have for not attending one of their shows.

Since my question really doesn't imply anything negative about AVN or the show, I'm going to go ahead and toss it out there. I've asked this question mulitple times in the last 2-3 years and usually get the same reply from my fellow webmasters, but I'd love AVN's take on it.

Why SHOULD an eternally small webmaster like me attend Internext and will the reason(s) justify the expenditure?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...Why SHOULD an eternally small webmaster like me attend Internext and will the reason(s) justify the expenditure?

Best question asked in this thread

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Best question asked in this thread

The answer though is painfully obvious - to network and learn from one's peers and leaders in the industry.

AVN has historically done the biggest shows that have attracted the widest range of people - that is their most apparent asset.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Far-L

The answer though is painfully obvious - to network and learn from one's peers and leaders in the industry...

Agreed. However, it's the escalating costs of attending and the associated decline in the number of peers attending that is making many of us question if attending Internext is still cost effective.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Far-L

The answer though is painfully obvious - to network and learn from one's peers and leaders in the industry.

So then it's not worth it? Ha! I kill me.

You were supposed to save the answer for the radio show. Besides, when you toss in everyone elses' complaints and concerns, it really mucks up your answer. Some would say that networking and learning are difficult enterprises in the show's current state. Additionally, the cost factor is critical for a guy like me. I'm a hazardous combination of poor and cheap. I really want to go to Internext, I really do, but it's going to take a lot to make me think that it's worth shelling out the dough. (I also realize that it isn't AVN's job to convince me to go.)

Thank you for your responses, Far-l. I've heard good things about you and it is nice to see an obviously respected individual standing up for AVN.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Far-L

The answer though is painfully obvious - to network and learn from one's peers and leaders in the industry.

Originally Posted by DangerDave

Especially when success is achievable without ever attending Internext

DD

I seem to recall one of the best networking experiences took place in a non descript house in Greenwood..

and in attending last year, I did more business outside of convention than inside.. which could be replicated using the aforementioned camhouse and backyard..

*flashing eyes at Far-L*..

[DangerDave]

Why SHOULD an eternally small webmaster like me attend Internext and will the reason(s) justify the expenditure?

I'd have to actually consider spending $20,000-27,500 for 4 days in Vegas.

Especially when success is achievable without ever attending Internext

DD

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

Especially when success is achievable without ever attending Internext

This is very true.

The best money I ever sent in this business was the trip to Surfn and Dr B's first Chicago meeting. Small enough to remember who you met.

Right after then carried a shit load of shirts and hauled ass to Vegas. I spend a couple grand to go to Vegas specifically to meet some GG&J board members. Never regretted the cost of the trip because doors started opening for me. I am not that successful but the Chicago and Vegas trips sure moved me closer to my goal.

However, small regional shows might be the place to do business and Vegas might be where you go to gamble

[Surfn]

Thanks Chop I know that was my goal. Make everyone comfortable and do some bidness


Look for an announcement from me on or about January 15th for a spring gathering

[AVNFarley]

Greenguy and Jim,
Thanks so much for having me on today. I think I was able to shed some light on a number of questions you and your listeners (sorry emmanuelle) had. I'm happy to say 3 of your listeners have already reached out to me tonight. As I said on the show, I'll be happy to keep posting answers to any questions on this thread and I'll keep everyone up to date on Internext info.

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[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by AVNFarley

I think I was able to shed some light on a number of questions you and your surfers had.

So we're surfers now?

[docholly]

I'm happy to say 3 of your listeners have already reached out to me tonight.

maybe they were surfing listeners..

just for the record (i'm so anal i had to go count) i attended 92 trade shows and expos this year.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

So we're surfers now?

You must be a webmaster because surfers bitch less...

[zoezane]

I have attended Amateur Camz Parties the past few years and some of the parties were great and others were so so (2007 party was over at strip club Olympic Garden). When I talk to Dan he just blows me off, he is really busy. Dan and are are cool. I have a bigger vision of where I want to take amateur porn/live TV broadcast. As for AVN, making it great for Internet webmasters/amateurs it will take a month of Sundays for it to happen. AVN is big business and big money. The porn industry starlets will never go away. Joe blow from Nebraska has fantasied about it for 5 years and he is there. I will say that the energy of AVN sucks. Ask some of my amateur housewife girlfriend what they think. I said it! Organizing a "Amateur AVN Show" like AVN would be great like LA Adult Con. Some of my amateur friends are getting attention from the UK/Ireland for their work on TV. Europe is very open minded. And, amateur porn is taking over whether the porn industry likes it or not. Amateur porn is real and fresh. It has personality and pazazz! I know what ABC Niteline thinks of amateur porn, it is da BOMB! Ya baby.
HUM? How about a amateur/webmaster section at AVN? But AVN will charge us a lot for it. How about a lot of amateurs going under one name and contributing to the booth. Call it "Porn with Pazazz" come meet the girl/babe/housewife next door. I'm brain storming right now. Any ideas? So then all the web masters and the models can get in under one company name for a small amount. Date changes for AVN, another issue. Ya, having it in September or October would be better. Why January??? It is slow for Las Vegas??? After Xmas? The CES show?