Last Night's Radio Show....Next Week's Radio Show

[Greenguy]

Ok, I just became really fucking offended.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Oh, gee, thanks for the generous offer. *rolls eyes*.

I just wanted to offer a forum for the 2 of you to discuss things because I feel that I fucked up by not having you on personally & not have Alex on to represent himself. I am just trying to right a wrong because I feel bad about how the last show went. Hell, I'd even offer to get the 2 of you on the phone without the feed up & without my recorder on. That's how bad I feel about the last show.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

What on earth would I get out of it? You get increased exposure due to webmaster's interest in drama and talking shit on me, you have bigger numbers to brag to your sponsors and you make more money.

You're relatively new here, so I'll explain some things to you about me - I don't give a flying fuck about the money this board or the radio show generate. Sure, it's nice, but I don't need it to survive. Posting on a board helping other webmasters started out as a hobby to me & that's exactly what it was from 1998 to 2003 when Jim convinced me to join him in this venture. Even when I had my own board at Netsurprise, I got ZERO money for running it. My only compensation was 1/2 the ads on the board, which I gave away to other board members that were helping (DDave, Cleo, Alex, Tommy, etc) As far as numbers or rating for the Radio Show, I honestly could not tell you how many people listen on a weekly basis - I just don't care. The one number that I know from the 27 months that the show has been on is 90 - that's the amount of people that listened to the MarcDe ARS show on February 24 2004. You think it's about numbers & sponsors? Fuck me! How often do you see Jim or me sending press releases about contests & whatnot to the PR machines that cover the adult webmaster side of the internet? For fuck sakes, we gave away Super Bowl tickets a couple years ago & the only coverage we got was from Klixxx, because they donated some money to the winner. We're NOT about numbers. We're NOT about money. We're a legit webmaster board that is here to help other webmasters. Plain & simple.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

I get to defend myself to a bag of hot air who is too stupid to tell the difference between Trixie and myself and can't even keep track of why he's pissed off at me and which posts on the board are even written by me.

You're explaining why I thought you 2 should come on the show. Arguments like this tend to become big piles of shit if they are just on the board, but 2 people talking on the phone with Jim & I basically acting as moderators would be a lot better IMHO.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

You endorsed a boycott of my web site, so I don't really even get the exposure for people who may actually promote my site in smart and interesting ways. I get nothing out of it, so thanks, but no thanks.

I assume that you are speaking of this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28745 ????
If so, you are sadly fucking mistaken. I am not defending any boycott, I simply stated that I could care less what their reasons for removing the sites were. The only thing I care about is that he did what Link List owners ask Free Site submitters to do when they remove sites...to let us know so that we don't have 404's or 302's Endorsed a boycott? You show me where I endorsed any fucking boycott!

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Maybe I should start a thread on some other board asking, "How much should I bill those fucking assholes for my time?", like you did when AVN asked you to be on a panel. I mean, I am learning great business skills from the best and brightest pillars of the industry here on GG&J, right?

So you equate me wanting you & Alex to come on a Radio Show (that makes fuck all for money & has fuck all for listeners) to openly discuss an issue that you 2 have with each other to me speaking about traffic to 300 people at a seminar? Tell you what - I'll call you during the show and as long as you say just one word (it can be the "Hello" when you pick up the phone) and I'll give you my entire profit from Tuesday's show. It's $62.50...yippee! Same offer goes to Alex, but the price drops to $31.25/person

Originally Posted by furrygirl

(And for the record, although everyone loves to represent me as a militant TGP-hater, I am not anti-TGP or anti-submitter. But, I do seem to be the only one here who dares to say that TGPs and link lists are not the most important things in the universe. The cold hard fact is that maybe a dozen of my sales in three years have been the result of an affiliate promoting me on TGPs. So, the argument that I "owe" my business to TGPs is completely idiotic. Everyone does something, but sweet crap, you people need to get out more if you think that TGP galleries are the end-all be-all of the entire sex industry since the dawn of time. My business has only existed for 3 years, but in the grand scheme of things, being in this game for 6 years or 10 years isn't actually much different than 3. It's like hearing a 9 year old go on and on about he's so much bigger and smarter than his 8 year old brother.)

I swear to fucking God, the next ignorant ass that refers to the majority of people on this board with the acronym TGP is gonna get banned. We run Link Lists & build Free Sites. These 2 completely different aspects of the adult internet marketing world might be the same to you, but when you refer to me with "TGP", I can only equate that to me referring to you as either "content" or a "solo girl"

If you don't make any money of TGP's/Galleries or Link Lists/Free Sites, it's because your affiliate program is not set up to do so...which is fine. I don't give a flying fuck what your business model is, but if you wanted advice on what's wrong with it in the eyes of us "traffic" people, I'd give you all the advice I could free of charge (well, I would have yesterday - lol)

You have to remember that when you're here posting on this board, a vast majority of the people that you are talking to run Link Lists or submit Free Sites for a living. You can't bash our business model just because you don't understand it. I'd equate that to me going to an amateur board & bashing all the posters because of the vast number of things that I see amateurs sites doing that go against my business model. And believe me when I say that I am a HUGE supporter of the amateur community - I truly love real amateur porn. Ask around to any of the amateurs that have worked with me in the past - Torn & Kat are prime examples. While my role with amateurs may not be what it was when I had the amateur paysites, I am still a supporter, a fan & I do, believe it or not, understand a lot more about it than you think I do.

What a way to start a Saturday

[Mr. Blue]

Furrygirl, what can I say, you're an intelligent woman, but you have horrible people skills, at least when it comes to forum posting. A person can be opinionated, but at the same time be respectful of others. A person can be passionate about their views, but at the same time not take everything as a personal attack when someone disagrees.

I don't agree with people pulling your links, that's just silly, but I don't think you've done a very good job of representing yourself and a lot of business gets done on forums, even if it just seems silly most times, its where a lot of us form our business relationships.

GG is right, this is more of a LL / Freesite / Traffic forum, certainly not dominated with TGP owners...if you said some of your comments on a tgp board they would have tied you to a stake already and exploded a nair bomb under you (this is meant for the sake of levity and not to be taken seriously, lol)

Anyway, I think all this has exploded a bit out of proportion now. Your last comment is probably going to start a whole other clusterfuck, but honestly...shouldn't we all be getting back to work?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Ok, I just became really fucking offended.

I just wanted to offer a forum for the 2 of you to discuss things because I feel that I fucked up by not having you on personally & not have Alex on to represent himself. I am just trying to right a wrong because I feel bad about how the last show went. Hell, I'd even offer to get the 2 of you on the phone without the feed up & without my recorder on. That's how bad I feel about the last show.

You're relatively new here, so I'll explain some things to you about me - I don't give a flying fuck about the money this board or the radio show generate. Sure, it's nice, but I don't need it to survive. Posting on a board helping other webmasters started out as a hobby to me & that's exactly what it was from 1998 to 2003 when Jim convinced me to join him in this venture. Even when I had my own board at Netsurprise, I got ZERO money for running it. My only compensation was 1/2 the ads on the board, which I gave away to other board members that were helping (DDave, Cleo, Alex, Tommy, etc) As far as numbers or rating for the Radio Show, I honestly could not tell you how many people listen on a weekly basis - I just don't care. The one number that I know from the 27 months that the show has been on is 90 - that's the amount of people that listened to the MarcDe ARS show on February 24 2004. You think it's about numbers & sponsors? Fuck me! How often do you see Jim or me sending press releases about contests & whatnot to the PR machines that cover the adult webmaster side of the internet? For fuck sakes, we gave away Super Bowl tickets a couple years ago & the only coverage we got was from Klixxx, because they donated some money to the winner. We're NOT about numbers. We're NOT about money. We're a legit webmaster board that is here to help other webmasters. Plain & simple.

You're explaining why I thought you 2 should come on the show. Arguments like this tend to become big piles of shit if they are just on the board, but 2 people talking on the phone with Jim & I basically acting as moderators would be a lot better IMHO.

I assume that you are speaking of this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28745 ????
If so, you are sadly fucking mistaken. I am not defending any boycott, I simply stated that I could care less what their reasons for removing the sites were. The only thing I care about is that he did what Link List owners ask Free Site submitters to do when they remove sites...to let us know so that we don't have 404's or 302's Endorsed a boycott? You show me where I endorsed any fucking boycott!

So you equate me wanting you & Alex to come on a Radio Show (that makes fuck all for money & has fuck all for listeners) to openly discuss an issue that you 2 have with each other to me speaking about traffic to 300 people at a seminar? Tell you what - I'll call you during the show and as long as you say just one word (it can be the "Hello" when you pick up the phone) and I'll give you my entire profit from Tuesday's show. It's $62.50...yippee! Same offer goes to Alex, but the price drops to $31.25/person

I swear to fucking God, the next ignorant ass that refers to the majority of people on this board with the acronym TGP is gonna get banned. We run Link Lists & build Free Sites. These 2 completely different aspects of the adult internet marketing world might be the same to you, but when you refer to me with "TGP", I can only equate that to me referring to you as either "content" or a "solo girl"

If you don't make any money of TGP's/Galleries or Link Lists/Free Sites, it's because your affiliate program is not set up to do so...which is fine. I don't give a flying fuck what your business model is, but if you wanted advice on what's wrong with it in the eyes of us "traffic" people, I'd give you all the advice I could free of charge (well, I would have yesterday - lol)

You have to remember that when you're here posting on this board, a vast majority of the people that you are talking to run Link Lists or submit Free Sites for a living. You can't bash our business model just because you don't understand it. I'd equate that to me going to an amateur board & bashing all the posters because of the vast number of things that I see amateurs sites doing that go against my business model. And believe me when I say that I am a HUGE supporter of the amateur community - I truly love real amateur porn. Ask around to any of the amateurs that have worked with me in the past - Torn & Kat are prime examples. While my role with amateurs may not be what it was when I had the amateur paysites, I am still a supporter, a fan & I do, believe it or not, understand a lot more about it than you think I do.

What a way to start a Saturday

I have to agree....except for one thing. We make no money on the radio show. We mention Pussycash as a sponsor because we can't use the program in other ways we promote our sponsors.

Furrygirl, you are very young in this business. You have an awful lot to learn about getting along with people that can make you money. I don't care how much money you make now but with just a touch of people skills, you could have a lot more.

I will apologize to Torn in advance but, Furrygirl, you just acted like an asshole attacking GreenguyandJim for absolutely no reason at all. We have both been neutral in these discussions as we would have been on the Radio show.

I said to act professional and this quote from you is not professional.

"I get to defend myself to a bag of hot air who is too stupid to tell the difference between Trixie and myself and can't even keep track of why he's pissed off at me and which posts on the board are even written by me."

If you would like to continue to post on GreenguyandJim, do not attack the integrity of the site again. And, as hard as it seems for you to be, act professional.