Domain penalized by Yahoo! ?

[Bill]

It's been said that yahoo considers linklists to be link farms, one of the things mentioned in your reply.

Fonz, you should write them and see if you get back the same reply.

Linklists haven't been a good way to get yahoo traffic pretty much from the beginning of their new database and search. Small young linklists can show up for a while but sooner or later as they grow they trip the algorithim and get the boot.

Nobody knows for sure except a few yahoo engineers, but I would bet money that when they started there was a manual list, and that folks like linkster and jay got put on that manual list. But, they added to that an algo that looks for certain behaviors and that algo does most of the work of culling linklists and the like now.

[kenny]

my latest reponse:




I'm not going to alter my whole website in a desperate attempt of removing this phantom penalty.

Lets go over your "Content Quality Guidelines"

Pages Yahoo! Wants Included in its Index

1)Original and unique content of genuine value

I have many returning vistors which would indicate that my site includes content which they value.


2)Pages designed primarily for humans, with search engine considerations secondary

My site is easy to navigate and provides descriptive and categorized links to content in which they are looking for. This would explain the high ratio of bookmarkers

3)Hyperlinks intended to help people find interesting, related content, when applicable

The only way I know how to connect webpages is via hyperlink. I build webpages which provide content to retain bookmarkers and to upsell vistors. I'm not in the buisness of building webpages for the sake of building webpages.

4)Metadata (including title and description) that accurately describes the contents of a web page

I don't use metadata

5)Good web design in general

My site design looks better then the sites you have listed when searching for my own site.


What Yahoo! Considers Unwanted
Some, but not all, examples of the more common types of content that Yahoo! does not want include:


1)Pages that harm accuracy, diversity or relevance of search results

My site is as advertised. It's a adult website.


2)Pages dedicated to directing the user to another page

My site features zero redirects. If you mean trying to upsell my visitors for commission then yes I'm guilty. Virtually every webmaster does this. Yahoo does this.


3)Pages that have substantially the same content as other pages

My site provides hand reviewed content split into categories which again spawns bookmarkers.


4)Sites with numerous, unnecessary virtual hostnames

I don't do this.


5)Pages in great quantity, automatically generated or of little value

My pages have value as each one serves it's own purpose. I don't create webpages for the sake of creating webpages. I am not about to elminate my own webpages for the sake of Yahoo.


6)Pages using methods to artificially inflate search engine ranking

If I knew how to do this we wouldn't be having this conversation.

7)The use of text that is hidden from the user

I don't do this. Anybody with half a brain knows this is how you get banned from search engines.

8)Pages that give the search engine different content than what the end-user sees

I don't do this and don't even know how.

9)Excessively cross-linking sites to inflate a site's apparent popularity

I'm not going to stop linking to my own webpages nor am I going to tell other people to stop linking to me. In my buisness we exchange traffic. I'm not going to kill the life blood of my website for Yahoo's sake. Prehaps inflated popularity actually translates to actual popularity.

10)Pages built primarily for the search engines

I build webpages for my surfers.

11)Misuse of competitor names

I don't do this.

12)Multiple sites offering the same content

You already said this in number 3.

13)Sites that use excessive pop-ups, interfering with user navigation
Pages that seem deceptive, fraudulent or provide a poor user experience

My website is popup free. Again, I create webpages to retain bookmarkers.


Now that I have gone over Yahoo's gudelines can you please inform me of the problem?

If not I'll take it as a fault in Yahoo and not of my own site.

[kenny]

Originally Posted by Bill

It's been said that yahoo considers linklists to be link farms, one of the things mentioned in your reply.

Fonz, you should write them and see if you get back the same reply.

Linklists haven't been a good way to get yahoo traffic pretty much from the beginning of their new database and search. Small young linklists can show up for a while but sooner or later as they grow they trip the algorithim and get the boot.

Nobody knows for sure except a few yahoo engineers, but I would bet money that when they started there was a manual list, and that folks like linkster and jay got put on that manual list. But, they added to that an algo that looks for certain behaviors and that algo does most of the work of culling linklists and the like now.

It's the way link lists use recips.

I am sure of it.

[kenny]

yahoo's response:

Hello,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Search.

The re-review process takes several weeks to complete. At this time, we
cannot give you specific details why your site has been penalized.
Please check http://search.yahoo.com to see if your site has been
included in the index. You will not be receiving further notification
from Yahoo!.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

Regards,

Dustin

Yahoo! Customer Care
25670106

[kenny]

my final response:

Thank you for your time and quick response.


I don't consider my site a website that merits such a penalty.

I consider this a flaw in how Yahoo handles websites. A flaw that must have a negative impact on how surfers find the content that they are looking for.

I won't hold my breath regarding the re-review process.

Kind Regards,

Kenny


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I apologize for all the posts. I was posting as the messages were being sent/received.

Didn't mean to spam this thread or anything.

I consider the issue with Yahoo a lost cause.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by sleeper

I apologize for all the posts. I was posting as the messages were being sent/received.

Didn't mean to spam this thread or anything.

I consider the issue with Yahoo a lost cause.

I found your post very useful so no worries

Bill, I will write them and see what they respond. I got a few ideas to make the site less "linkfarmy". I didn't say it'll get me back on Yahoo's 1st page but if you don't try you don't succeed.

[pornhitzman]

I´m going to bump this thread because I have the same problem and would really like to know if there are any news regarding this issue. I´ve been searching back and forth to find someone that got their site reincluded, but I haven´t found anything yet. This is something that affects most LL owners sooner or later and we should try to solve this problem together if that´s possible. I know that hoes, link-o-rama and richardsrealm aren´t banned so there must be some way to get indexed again.