CCBill links with encoded '&' don't work

Toby · 2006-09-13, 11:45 AM

cd34 posted the following in a blogging forum thread, but the ramifications are widespread enough that I felt it needed more exposure.

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...19&postcount=5

In lay terms, if your CCBill referral links use & in place of just the & the CCBill cookie identifying the affiliate does not get set.

Some web editors have a habit of encoding ampersands and other special characters as you type them, as that is the correct way to code if you want your pages to validate.

I did a search through the hundreds of galleries I've made over the last couple of years, and I did find several dozen with encoded referral links.

I will also start doing a spot check on sponsor hosted galleries to make sure those links do not contain encoded ampersands.

Hopefully someone from CCBill will see this and bump it up the line to the right people to find a resolution on their end. I would guess that fair number of affiliate sales are going uncredited due to this issue.

Jim · 2006-09-13, 11:54 AM

Toby
That is interesting and important information.
Thank You

Greenguy · 2006-09-13, 12:21 PM

That's a problem that's been around for YEARS - I remember MaxCash's sites way back in the day had the "&" problem.

Emerald · 2006-09-13, 02:07 PM

Thanks for that info Toby - I always wondered why my web editor would change & to &amp - would drive me nuts .. I'm pretty sure I changed alot of them to look exactly like the sponsors ref link... but I am sure there are still a lot of them floating around with the &amp in them ... grr just what I needed today.. to look thru my codes.

MrYum · 2006-09-13, 02:16 PM

I first noticed this about 5 years ago when I got into the biz and was using Dreamweaver as an editor. Damn thing was constantly changing affiliate links

That issue was one of the things that got me to start hand coding...no more wysiwyg editors for this porn slinger. And no more issues with affiliate codes getting fucked up either

urb · 2006-09-13, 02:28 PM

Don't code with a WYSIWYG editor...

Code by hand using something like this http://www.textpad.com/

lassiter · 2006-09-13, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urb

Don't code with a WYSIWYG editor...

Code by hand using something like this http://www.textpad.com/

I've coded everything by hand using TextPad since I started in the biz. It's totally awesome.

urb · 2006-09-13, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lassiter

I've coded everything by hand using TextPad since I started in the biz. It's totally awesome.

And it's free.

Although it is worth buying a licence. Features include...

Search & Replace
Instant upper case / lower case / sentence case convertion
Good spell checker

There's a lot more in there too, and it won't alter your code like most editors do (including Notepad).

MrYum · 2006-09-13, 03:00 PM

Yup, text editors are your friend

I've been using NoteTab since dumping DW 5 years ago.

virgohippy · 2006-09-13, 03:23 PM

Holy shit! You mean I'm losing money!? I've got a lot of links to fix!!! |shocking|

Thanks for pointing that out Toby.

I use DW. I just checked, and I notice it only encodes links I've edited in some way.

I really like using DW though... I'm going to see if I can't turn that auto-encoding &'s off.

ponygirl · 2006-09-13, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by virgohippy

Holy shit! You mean I'm losing money!? I've got a lot of links to fix!!! |shocking|

Thanks for pointing that out Toby.

I use DW. I just checked, and I notice it only encodes links I've edited in some way.

I really like using DW though... I'm going to see if I can't turn that auto-encoding &'s off.

I use DW and haven't had that problem (I think LOL) but I use the code view to do everything then preview it in design so I think that's why.

Toby · 2006-09-13, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ponygirl

I use DW and haven't had that problem (I think LOL) but I use the code view to do everything then preview it in design so I think that's why.

I've been using DW since it was first introduced. The last two versions (MX 2004 and Studio 8) have been far better about when it automatically encodes as you type, usually only doing so if you are typing plain text in design view.

Greenguy · 2006-09-13, 05:03 PM

I use Namo & it's friendly to the link codes with "&" in them (for the most part - lol)

MrMaryLou · 2006-09-13, 05:35 PM

Wasn't Front Page the one that always messed the codes up?

ponygirl · 2006-09-13, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

I've been using DW since it was first introduced. The last two versions (MX 2004 and Studio 8) have been far better about when it automatically encodes as you type, usually only doing so if you are typing plain text in design view.

that's what I thought. I have MX & was told never to do any coding or moving things around in design view

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

Wasn't Front Page the one that always messed the codes up?

Front Page is a nightmare

lol

virgohippy · 2006-09-13, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby

I've been using DW since it was first introduced. The last two versions (MX 2004 and Studio 8) have been far better about when it automatically encodes as you type, usually only doing so if you are typing plain text in design view.

On closer inspection, I figured out that's exactly the case.

Before I upgraded to MX I did a lot of copy/paste. Only a few old things were affected... and mostly because of the silly ways I was doing things back then, so I wouldn't consider the error DW's fault anyway.

BOSS · 2006-09-13, 06:12 PM

Would like this confirmed...cause maybe i am loosing money

digifan · 2006-09-13, 07:55 PM

Good post... I remembered I saw it somewhere and found it, see
http://www.dwfaq.com/Tutorials/Misce...s_encoding.asp

At least, I cannot blame myself for doing sites in a plain text editor.

BUT
if you are using scripts, you have to check the url encoding option or they break at the & , it has happened to me with my very first copy of smart thumbs. The links worked from the gallery preview area and I forgot to click all of them when output to the index.shtml.

Jicky Jack · 2006-09-13, 08:23 PM

Yes, I learned that hard way also... I went 0 for 2 months with Lady- Sonia.. until John looked at my traffic... I was using "front page" & arles to make galleries... Live and Learn! After removing the "amp" code things went back to normal!

Toby · 2006-09-13, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOSS

Would like this confirmed...cause maybe i am loosing money

Did you read the post I linked to by cd34? How much more confirmation do you need?

Robbo · 2006-09-13, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaryLou

Wasn't Front Page the one that always messed the codes up?

Front Page would even double fuck you in that you could change a code and when you looked at it again in the web view it would change the codes back again!

HarryM · 2006-09-13, 11:09 PM

Is this happening with any other sponsors or is it just ccbill?

Toby · 2006-09-13, 11:46 PM

As far as I know, this is just a CCBill issue.

johnnybg · 2006-09-14, 03:57 AM

cd34 saved a lot of money and pain for many of us with this information. Thanks for the heads up Toby!

FiReC · 2006-09-14, 02:59 PM

I believe you are spreading bad information here. In your test you sent a get request with the html entity in the request. When a browser sends the request I believe it decodes the link before it sends the get request. I tried it out with firefox and the web developer plugin and the cookie still gets set with the ;amp in the source.

Now for scripts with header redirects, you would want to be careful, but no need to change ;amp to & in your regular html.

2006-09-13, 11:45 AM	#1
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	CCBill links with encoded '&' don't work cd34 posted the following in a blogging forum thread, but the ramifications are widespread enough that I felt it needed more exposure. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...19&postcount=5 In lay terms, if your CCBill referral links use & in place of just the & the CCBill cookie identifying the affiliate does not get set. Some web editors have a habit of encoding ampersands and other special characters as you type them, as that is the correct way to code if you want your pages to validate. I did a search through the hundreds of galleries I've made over the last couple of years, and I did find several dozen with encoded referral links. I will also start doing a spot check on sponsor hosted galleries to make sure those links do not contain encoded ampersands. Hopefully someone from CCBill will see this and bump it up the line to the right people to find a resolution on their end. I would guess that fair number of affiliate sales are going uncredited due to this issue. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2006-09-13, 12:21 PM	#3
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	That's a problem that's been around for YEARS - I remember MaxCash's sites way back in the day had the "&" problem. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-09-13, 02:07 PM	#4
Emerald If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada eh! Posts: 915	Thanks for that info Toby - I always wondered why my web editor would change & to &amp - would drive me nuts .. I'm pretty sure I changed alot of them to look exactly like the sponsors ref link... but I am sure there are still a lot of them floating around with the &amp in them ... grr just what I needed today.. to look thru my codes. __________________ http://www.smutgremlins.com Submit your Free Sites to Smut Gremlins

2006-09-13, 02:16 PM	#5
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	I first noticed this about 5 years ago when I got into the biz and was using Dreamweaver as an editor. Damn thing was constantly changing affiliate links That issue was one of the things that got me to start hand coding...no more wysiwyg editors for this porn slinger. And no more issues with affiliate codes getting fucked up either __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2006-09-13, 02:28 PM	#6
urb All the way from Room 101 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,557	Don't code with a WYSIWYG editor... Code by hand using something like this http://www.textpad.com/ __________________

2006-09-13, 11:54 AM	#2
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Toby That is interesting and important information. Thank You

2006-09-13, 03:00 PM	#9
MrYum Arghhhh...submit yer sites ya ruddy swabs! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sunny Florida! Posts: 5,108	Yup, text editors are your friend I've been using NoteTab since dumping DW 5 years ago. __________________ Porno Flixxx Submissions SOTI Site Submissions Free Porn Resource Submissions

2006-09-13, 03:23 PM	#10
virgohippy Madness is like gravity. All it takes is a little... push. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,679	Holy shit! You mean I'm losing money!? I've got a lot of links to fix!!! \|shocking\| Thanks for pointing that out Toby. I use DW. I just checked, and I notice it only encodes links I've edited in some way. I really like using DW though... I'm going to see if I can't turn that auto-encoding &'s off. __________________ ~Warm and Fuzzy.

2006-09-13, 05:03 PM	#13
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I use Namo & it's friendly to the link codes with "&" in them (for the most part - lol) __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2006-09-13, 05:35 PM	#14
MrMaryLou i fucking told i type to fucking fast wtf Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 11,247	Wasn't Front Page the one that always messed the codes up? __________________ <a href="http://www.greenguysboard.com/onthebench/">Join Me For On The Bench </a>

2006-09-13, 06:12 PM	#17
BOSS Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montreal / Sparta Posts: 261	Would like this confirmed...cause maybe i am loosing money __________________ Spartan Dollars =>Many Fetish Niches (FHSs, FHGs, Hosted FLVs, Page peels,RSS +)

2006-09-13, 07:55 PM	#18
digifan ...and since we know an end will come it makes our living so much fun Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In your dreams, baby Posts: 3,835	Good post... I remembered I saw it somewhere and found it, see http://www.dwfaq.com/Tutorials/Misce...s_encoding.asp At least, I cannot blame myself for doing sites in a plain text editor. BUT if you are using scripts, you have to check the url encoding option or they break at the & , it has happened to me with my very first copy of smart thumbs. The links worked from the gallery preview area and I forgot to click all of them when output to the index.shtml.

2006-09-13, 08:23 PM	#19
Jicky Jack WHO IS FONZY!?! Don't they teach you anything at school? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 47	Yes, I learned that hard way also... I went 0 for 2 months with Lady- Sonia.. until John looked at my traffic... I was using "front page" & arles to make galleries... Live and Learn! After removing the "amp" code things went back to normal!

2006-09-13, 11:09 PM	#22
HarryM No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 285	Is this happening with any other sponsors or is it just ccbill? __________________ Click here to make huge $$$

2006-09-13, 11:46 PM	#23
Toby Lonewolf Internet Sales Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 4,826	As far as I know, this is just a CCBill issue. __________________ Latex Vixens Babes In Boots Well Heeled Women Dressing For Sex Stocking Vixens

2006-09-14, 03:57 AM	#24
johnnybg I want to set the record straight - I thought the cop was a prostitute Join Date: May 2004 Location: Serbia & Montenegro Posts: 292	cd34 saved a lot of money and pain for many of us with this information. Thanks for the heads up Toby! __________________ Teen Porn Site Blog Johnny's Porn Nesa (aka johnnybg)

2006-09-14, 02:59 PM	#25
FiReC A woman is like beer. They look good, they smell good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 53	I believe you are spreading bad information here. In your test you sent a get request with the html entity in the request. When a browser sends the request I believe it decodes the link before it sends the get request. I tried it out with firefox and the web developer plugin and the cookie still gets set with the ;amp in the source. Now for scripts with header redirects, you would want to be careful, but no need to change ;amp to & in your regular html. __________________ www.katrina18.com \| www.nubiles.net \| www.sweetkandie.com \| www.vickyvane.com

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