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Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West
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I've actually only been to a Walmart once in my life and it was like at one in the morning. I bought a rather tacky solar powered lighted bird feeder that I still keep full of feed although I don't think it still lights up at night but the birds don't seem to mind. We don't have Walmarts on the east side of town and after visiting one I can see why.
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2006-11-30, 04:30 AM
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All the way from Room 101
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I'm more worried about the falling value of the dollar at the moment.
But you have to look on the positive side... £1 uk pound = $1.94 USD so my hosting bill is going to be cheaper this month. 
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2006-11-30, 05:14 AM
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I can now put whatever I want in this space
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My hosting costs $75/month which is around £41 at the moment - great, but on the flip side a $1000 payment into a UK bank returns just over £500. My brain automatically and instantly halves my earnings every time I calculate something.  I agree with Japamor & Sheepguy - it is possible to make money if you stay on top of your game. Working smart and organising your work day is incredibly important. Distraction when you're sat at your computer is so easy, and before long you've lost an hour reading a forum or a few articles. (GG&J gets me every time  )If you aim to build a freesite per day, then make that your priority every time as it's your "bread & butter" job. If you don't like building freesites then do it in stages. Freesite content, non-freesite-task, Freesite structure, non-freesite-task, Freesite gallery layout, non-freesite-task etc etc ...but always get that freesite built and submitted. Try and look forward to that sweet "just-done-my-submits" feeling! Plus, don't watch your sponsor stats too closely! Obviously you have to keep an eye on what's doing well for you, or not, but don't sit there staring at Unified Stats as the run comes to an end every half an hour and feel your heart sink when the sales don't come. It's depressing when you do that. How many non-sales stats runs do you see in a day? As I said earlier, I'm really pleased with my progress, but I've built a few domains and a few hubs in between my freesite building, my main hub being http://www.pynio.com/ which I treat like a real link list. I also have a couple of cam sites out there. I link to these sites from my freesites now and then, trying to trap the surfer into my own little network of porn. I find that these side projects are great for getting the creative juices flowing and I enjoy time spent developing them. The "trapping the surfer" advice was one of the first pieces of truly great advice I got from GG&J. A few folks here said that it was the best way to go and I think it works pretty well. (Thanks again for the great tips, folks) I haven't reached that magic stage yet where I have so many freesites out there that the sales are rockin', but I'm very optimistic that I can get there if I stick to the plan and work to my goals. |
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2006-11-30, 05:21 AM
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2006-11-30, 02:08 PM
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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I used to get $1.58 Canadian on the US dollar, now I get $1.09
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2006-11-30, 04:47 PM
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Live and learn. And take very careful notes!
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2006-12-01, 05:18 AM
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Former pr0n slinger.
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2006-11-30, 05:46 PM
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Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus
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2006-11-30, 07:20 PM
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Lord help me, I'm just not that bright
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2006-11-30, 06:54 PM
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All the way from Room 101
Join Date: Aug 2003
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USD at it's lowest value against the pound in 14 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6158897.stm
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2006-12-05, 03:21 PM
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Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer?
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Damn MrExotic, I'm considering getting all of my teeth pulled too (too much Pepsi over the years and 3 kids sucking the calcium out of my body), reading that just made me decide to put it off longer, lol. I sure hope your wife feels better soon... but not so soon that she doesn't get a good break from that hellhole she works at. Sheesh. Maybe you should teach her HTML and get her a domain so she can start doing this on the side? After a year she might be able to tell them to take this job and shove it...
JD, a Kmart or Target is pretty much the same thing as Walmart. It's really not so bad if you can get a shift working at night when there are less customers to bother you, lol. But still, there's a lot of ass-kissing and political bullshit going on that just makes it shitty overall. I worked at Walmart back in like '94 unloading the trucks at night. Talk about the fastest "get toned up and in shape" exercise program in the world, they should've charged people to do that instead of paying them! No matter what anyone says, or how they look down their nose at Walmart (or other "shitty" jobs), it's a steady paycheck and there's no shame in being responsible and paying your bills. Some folks sound like they'd rather go on welfare than "lower" themselves by getting a job at Walmart. So I say thumbs-up to all the folks that have done shitty jobs when they need to - you took care of what you were supposed to be taking care of, and that's all that mattered. I'm with SheepGuy... diversify. You never know, some strange law could come along or some company adult depends upon (like Visa) could make some policy change and freesites could be out the window next month. If that's the only thing you're doing, you're up shit's creek. Plus it keeps things more interesting when you diversify and gets less monotonous. Try blogging, building little SE portals, single-page SE wonders, anything. Just keep it interesting for yourself and don't put all of your eggs in one basket. |
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2006-12-11, 10:20 AM
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First I have been to the board in like a week. Been working my balls off. After the bad month of November December started off just as shitty, so I decided I had to rededicate myself to my galleries again. When I started free sites I let my galleries just kinda go on their own, figured out that while the free site stuff was growing slowly the gallery money has started drying up faster than the free site money is growing, time to do both full time. Not to mention I am in the workings of starting up my own linklist, which I am hoping to have launched by the end of the year.
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2006-12-12, 09:34 AM
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Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right.
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It sure takes time and it is harder than it use to be. Over the years I have gotten burnt out or lazy, more times that I can probably count, but my adult stuff has always made more than any regular job would pay. I believe any one can make more than say, walmart pays. Just one sale a day would pretty much cover that. But, the biggest drawback of this business, any business for that matter, is you dont have a boss hanging on you to make sure the work gets done. We all know, though we dont want to admit it, that it's real easy to get distracted, the net has a million distractions. It's too easy to find out 3 hours later you have'nt gotten any "work" done. You sure have to be disicplined.
When I started in this biz, my motivation was to get away from the job, I was SO sick and tired of working for some one else, working when they told me to, taking the crap pay they wanted to pay me. Same went for my wife having to take stupid crap at a stupid job. My wife was'nt thrilled with the idea, but I told her I was going to do it, it was going to work and that was that. It did'nt take long to make more than the job was paying, because I knew it was going to work. It is harder in this business than it use to be, so we need to work smarter, more efficient and most important, get the most out of what we do. It amazes me every day to see people not getting the best out of their work. We all have a limited amount of traffic, so it is in our best interest to squeeze every cick out of it. How many people even track their ads? Not many from what I see. If you want to get the most of your traffic, how can you do that when you dont know how your ads are performing, or how they are not performing? Every day I see sites that would not get listed anywhere, yet the same people keep doing it ever day. I still see people using ads I know do not pull crap for clicks, yet they keep doing it every day. It use to be you could throw up a crappy site and make money. I use to churn out crappy avs site after crappy avs site and every one I made would make at least one sale, every time. Being that it's not as easy as it use to be, I believe, more than before we need to treat this like a real business, not really a bad thing. If you had a real life brick and mortar store, would you keep trying to sell products that customers did'nt buy? Or sell products that did'nt make a profit? More importantly would you keep using ads that did'nt bring many customers in your store? If you did google adwords, would you keep using an ad that did'nt get clicks? Would you keep paying for clicks that did'nt make you any sales? Blogging is the big rage right now and it does work. Yet I see far more crap blogs than good ones. Some people believe if they mass produce enough, they will get enough traffic. On the other hand what if you did one really good blog instead of 10 crap ones? Could save you time and make you more money. I have one blog that out pulls all my other blogs and really dont take that much more time. How many people read marketing or sales books? We are in the business of marketing and or sell porn, well actually a fantasy, but it's still selling and marketing an idea/product. Can we say we do our best to sell it? Most people making good money do it by having multiple streams of income. If one slows down or dissappears, it wont be as much of a big hit. The same could be said for traffic, the more sources, the less one loss is going to hurt. So often I see people complaining they are not making any money, yet they have a high post count in a short time on a message board. Dont complain if your not doing the work. By the same token, networking is so important in this business, more that most realize, yet few do it. But moderation can be the key. If you dont like doing free sites, dont do them, or at least do other things like blogs or hubs, ect, or to build up other things so you might be able to get away from free sites. It's been said over and over, the more you enjoy something, the better chance you'll have at success. The opposite can be true. I think that most would agree, besides galleries, free sites are the best avenue at getting descent traffic if your new or not networked. I have done some free sites and I know the traffic can last quite a while, longer than I thought. If we know they produce traffic, are we doing all we can to get sales out of the traffic? Or we getting the most traffic out of each site? Many people dont get listed everywhere like they say. Lets face it, we all KNOW this business is making billions, we all know that for a fact. The money is there, we just have to do the best to grab our share. Every one has the opportunity. None of the above is directed at any one in this thread or on this board, just my rambling and observations. And I'll be the first one to admit, I have been guilty of it all at one time or another..  |
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2006-12-17, 07:03 PM
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Lord help me, I'm just not that bright
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Hi Ronnie
Nice post! Re:tracking banner conversions etc. what do you use for tracking banner conversions? I have to admit I have always been a "throw a new banner in there" type of webmaster and i have never kept track of good banners vs bad banners. I suppose theres some scripts out there that you could use, but I would not want to piss any link list owners off, if it has some fancy java or cgi on the page. What would you suggest for banner tracking? And what about text link tracking, is it possible to track this? The way I have always made sites is to just whack home made text links in, or some banners from the site in question, never paying too much attention to which free site the sales came from etc. Even today I find it a bit tricky to know exactly what site made the sale. Unless you make a new NATS campaign for each site you do, but nats isnt available for sponsors such as top bucks, tcg or nasty or bang bros etc. I have to say, I am just trying anything and everything right now, just to make a couple of sales, so I am all over the show really lol. I have some blogs but they are probably under your "crap" ones you mentioned. I dont always know what direction to go, so I do a bit of everything, but thats not necesarily a good thing as I could possibly be beter going in a direction that suited me more. Some people say, work out what works and multiply that, but I havent really found anything that works as such yet, as it does seem to be months and months of doing somethng before you will see a result, and being impatient at the best of times is not a good trait for me as I know you have to wait like 3-6 months to see some results for free sites or blogs. Back to the grind ) cheers JD |
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2006-12-17, 08:07 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Hey man, most every sponsor I use I can tell where my sales came from, topbucks, nasty, etc. Except on those no data refferers, haha.
Right now I am still sticking with the free sites thing as my main thing, but I have decided if I want to really go anywhere I am gonna have to work way more and at different things at the same time, and doing different things at the same time is terribly hard for me, I get into a mind set and I have problems doing anything else, gonna have to get off the one track mind mode. Just here lately I have put a little more effort into my tgp galleries, starting up a link list, and getting ready to start a fake tgp project with my cousin that will probably end up being a full time job in by itself. Seems to get things going you have to give up your whole life, but once the ball gets rolling you still need to stay on top of things, but you can relax just a tiny bit.
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2006-12-17, 09:11 PM
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You can now put whatever you want in this space :)
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Haven, CT
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Try different things and figure out what you like doing.
Don't chase the money too hard, because it doesn't matter how much money you make, if you gotta sink alot of hours into it and if you don't enjoy what you're doing, sooner or later you'll quit. If you love what you do - for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health - you'll keep going.
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2006-12-17, 10:52 PM
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Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right.
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As for ads, one of the best tracking script is http://phpadsnew.com/two/ and best of all it's free. Incredible script. It does have a learning curve, but well worth it. Few people on this board use it, so if your ever stuck, should be able to get some help. I've never see a LL owner say anying about it, strange if they would. Now if you use a JS one, then you might get some flack, or bots not liking the code. Our goal is to get any many surfers to the sponsors as possible, it's a sales game. More people that see the paysite, more apt to sign-up. Of course better your ads pull, the more you send to the sponsor. As for tracking sales, yes most sponsors do show, but not always. So you see the ones that make the sales and do more. As for the waiting, thats not really true, least for free sites and tgp galleries for example. They both usually get traffic within a day or so, so in a week, you should be able to see what works and what does'nt. Should be able to see which ads work, which dont, eliminating the dogs. On another note, which sites/galleries get the most interest. It will take a little time, but I dont see it as months. Now a blog, that might take a little longer, they do need to "build-up". Nothing wrong with trying many things, just drop the ones you know for sure are not working, and give each venture enough time to evaluate if it works for you or not. Also, of course the more focused you are, the better you'll do. Save time, automate what you can. Think of all the things you do in a normal day, see if you can streamline them or automate them. Last edited by ronnie; 2006-12-17 at 10:55 PM.. |
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2006-12-19, 07:27 AM
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Trying is the first step towards failure
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laugh, good to hear it isnt just us. i still work at wal-mart , thats how i've been paying the bills for the last year while i started work on tightteela.com . i wont repeat the same things you've guys said already, but i can fully agree that this job is the hardest i've ever taken, not for the work itself, but because often there is little or no reward or pay, just work. and i've gotten concerned people around me wondering if i've made the right choice for work and its not the 'porn' aspect, its the money. on the plus side, most of the parts i didnt like or were hard to do because of the drain on my mental, are done with, and its been the most rewarding job putting my first paysite together.
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2006-12-19, 09:56 PM
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attn: wallmart shopers
(or is that supposed to be Kmart) Teela you should spend your time making hosted galleries :-) I love premoting single girls I just surfed by your site and thought... ohh shes hot and.... nasty but was hugely disapointed when I clicked on the webmaster page your never gonna make any money if you dont have any materials for webmasters to use
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2006-12-19, 10:55 PM
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What can I do - I was born this way LOL
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Hi tommy please drop by your dc board as soon as you can
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2006-12-20, 01:36 AM
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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Hi Teela,
What Tommy says exactly! I looked at your site a month or so ago, looked great! But I promote about 300 solo girls at http://www.findavagina.com and while I would have loved to add your site to the mix, I didn't feel like taking the time to make 5 or six clean galleries to do it. If you take the time to make them let me know and I'll have you up right away!
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2006-12-20, 01:22 PM
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I agree about taking breaks. However my break has been to long and prolly need a good “ass kicking” to get going again.
Line forms on the left Ladies first
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2006-12-20, 03:55 PM
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Me fail English? That's unpossible!
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I thought I'd post some more positive news. I don't frequent the boards or network often, but happened to see this. I'm also 35, and I average submitting 1-2 TGP galleries a day and maybe 1 freesite every few weeks, and maybe one 'other' site every few months. This comes out to an average of less than 2 hours a day for me and returns about 5-7k per month which allows me to travel, hobbies, take a month off, etc. I could put more hours in but I have other sources of income which gives me plenty and I'd rather have the free time.
This is more from a TGP gallery perspective, but some pointers: 1. Don't be afraid to purchase partner accounts. Spend a little money and submit good clean sites on fast hosting. I haven't tried buying gallery spots yet, just some partner submission accts. 2. Use a stats program like StatsRemote to compare and promote the better converting sponsors. I frequently try new categories/sites but still most of my traffic goes to the top converters. #1 converted last month at $.17/unique (including rebills) and the #2 converted at $.09/unique(PPS). Most of the others are $.04/unique or less. 3. Tweak your sites and try new things and compare ratios every month. 4. Have a place for the uninterested surfer to go. At the bottom of my pages I usually have a 'No thanks, take me to <some catchy name for one of my free/hub sites>' to keep them in my network. This *does* generate sales. And some ratios from StatsRemote: Last month (Nov 06) 88,471 Uniques, 164 sales, 136 rebills. Year to Date (06) 835,274 Uniques, 1722 sales, 1519 rebills. Keep trying, like anything else, the adult biz uses the 80/20 rule where probably 80% of the money is made by less than 20% of those involved. I'm a small timer. |
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2006-12-21, 06:15 AM
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Trying is the first step towards failure
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tommy and sheep i dont want to spam this thread but id be happy to get you what you need
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2006-12-21, 10:46 AM
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ya know what would be cool
a whole bunch of galleries of you getting nailed wearing a tommys tshirt the only thing is I have so many hosted gallerys in my script 20 or 30 galleries is like a grain of sand on the beach you can see the amount of gallerys your stuff would be up against but if your intersted I would love to talk to you about it
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