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 So what was that a couple weeks ago? And I havent got round to doing them, its 11.30am in the morning and although been at the pc for hours, I havent really achieved shit today, LOL, and now the crickets on, so bloody hell, I think I might plan next weeks stuff, and try to stick witht hat each day and re-assess next Friday, LOL. However, I'm trying to design my own custom site hub which hopefuly may have some lasting results when it eventually gets a bit of SE traffic etc. |
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Hey JD missed this thread, I havent been on the board other than just checking in for a few minutes a couple days ago for a while. Been busy and crazy here, the wife had every single one of her teeth pulled yesterday (has some kind of deteriorating jaw bone disease that is hereditary) she's been passed out on pain meds and I gotta wrangle the little heathens and try to get something done at the same time. When she is awake from the pain meds she's being a phsyco bitch from hell because she cant smoke at all, so quitting smoking on top of all that other shit.
Like I was saying before man, its all about just sticking with it, and even then you are gonna still have bad times, last month was my worst month of the year, the last week of the month was what I am hoping a complete fluke, there are a couple of reasons that I know for sure contributed to this, so at least I know what went wrong. The first thing is that a new site I started promoting changed all their content, at first they were doing better than any site I had ever promoted before, so I thought hell I am gonna go balls to the wall with this site the rest of this month, then they changed all their content and I went from getting 7 sales with the first 1800 hits sent (and they count more hits than most sponsors) to getting 2 sales the rest of the month! Then the other (my poor wife), my wife had a buch of doctors appointments and shit to go to, not only for her mouth, but this last July hurt herself at work and we just finalized getting that all taken care of and she just a week ago was realeased from her restrictions, I have been running her all over the whole fucking state of Indiana to see all these different doctors for her various ailments instead of making and submitting free sites, I probably missed at least 10 days of submitting in November. Yeah it does suck and I have been feeling burnt out for the last few months, but like you said it sure beats the hell out of working at McDonalds. My wife works hard at peice of shit factory where they actually sit there and time people with a fucking stopwatch and if you aint fast enough you get bitched out big time, and if your a new person and aint fast enough to get the boot your first day, my wife has been working there busting her ass for close to 3 years now I think and they said they couldnt afford to give raises this year, so she might be making like 80 cents more an hour than what she was when she first started. She gets up at 4:30 in the morning drives 20 miles there to start at 6 and goes full speed until 2:30 then drives 20 miles home. On my worst months we make about the same (like last month), but pretty much every month I make at least 25-30% more than she does. And I get up whenever the fuck I want to, go to bed whenever the fuck I want to. I wake up in the morning sit and watch the news, drink my coffee until my poor pathetic ass thinks I am ready to go and get some work done. And by work, I mean sitting on my ass looking at porn, make some web pages, then go to more porn sites, fill out some simple forms (for which I have software for) and click the submit button. I should have it so hard, haha. When I start feeling bad for myself and thinking oh damn how am I ever gonna go on, I am so burned out, if I have to make another gay sex movie site I am gonna puke, etc. I just think about my wife's day, and the shit she puts up with from her boss. I mean if I actually count the hours of actual work I do (not reading boards, reading articles, chatting, getting side tracked and finding myself reading about the Cubs, Colts, and Pacers, but actually dealing with content and buidling pages) I probably only work a couple hours a day on most days, now there are days where I have extra to do and there might be a couple 12 hour days a month, but the average day consists of very little actual work. After thinking about all that, haha, I always come to the conclusion that gee maybe I dont have it so hard after all. I know I went thru a stage exactly like what you are doing right now man. I got so used to making easy huge money hand over fist with little or no work at all, or work a bunch for a while and then not have to do anything for months. My work day back in the day used to consist of looking at my traffic trade script stats and chat with the other webmasters I traded with about how drunk and fucked up we got the night before, making the money in 2 days what I now make in a month. I used to go from different thing to different thing because surely there has got to be something no one is telling me about, there has gotta be that one hidden secret, and no one will let the cat out of the bag. I always gave up on shit before I even fully figured it out, because I had gotten so spoiled, got so used to making so much money with so little effort. I went on for a long time like that not making money at all. Then I got my wake up call, I had a few little side jobs here and there that sucked, had a paper route (what a fucking joke), but the one thing that got to me the most that I had to do or become homeless was WORK AT WALMART!! HAHAHA, I worked in the garden center. I loaded 40lb bags of dirt into people's mini vans, once loaded so many patio blocks into a station wagon that the exhaust was dragging on the ground. Basically man I figured this out, the big secret is that there is no secret, you just gotta keep on keeping on. If you aint happy with something fix it, always go thru and see if there are things you can do better. I know my mind runs continuously 24/7 about how I could tweak this or improve that. Your best two friends when making free sites are hard work and time.
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Wow. nice post Mr Exotic!
Sorry to hear about your wife, that sounds terrible, I had one root canal that collapsed and had to have it basically shattered and ripped out of my mouth (was a molar!) back in New Years Eve of 2000 and that sucked ass (especially as I was on heavy pain killers and stupidly drank that night as it was new years eve lol). I HATE to think of the pain involved with a full mouth of teath being removed, that would suck man!!! Is she going to have just false teeth to replace them as I suppose anything fancy would cost the earth, especially in the states. No wonder November sucked with all the shit you had to do, so at least you know the reason behind it, you needed to have your robot at home making all the sites for you while you werent there. I dont do gay sex sites anymore, just sticking to the straight ones, I used to do em for avs but I would rather do something I at least like doing, so no more gay sites for me! Are they converting good btw? (gay sites) I think these days its hard to bloody pick sponsors, I just find ones I never knew existed, and it takes years to find out which ones are good, thats why I have decided to go back to some of my old faves I started out with that are still going today. You guys always hanging it on that walmart store, the people that own that chain are like right behind bill gates as richest in the world, or somewhere up there any how, I reckon a similiar job here would be to work at bunnings, which is this shitty garden supply chain store, hehe. Take it easy man, sounds like u got it much harder than I have, regards JD |
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Damn MrExotic, I'm considering getting all of my teeth pulled too (too much Pepsi over the years and 3 kids sucking the calcium out of my body), reading that just made me decide to put it off longer, lol. I sure hope your wife feels better soon... but not so soon that she doesn't get a good break from that hellhole she works at. Sheesh. Maybe you should teach her HTML and get her a domain so she can start doing this on the side? After a year she might be able to tell them to take this job and shove it...
 JD, a Kmart or Target is pretty much the same thing as Walmart. It's really not so bad if you can get a shift working at night when there are less customers to bother you, lol. But still, there's a lot of ass-kissing and political bullshit going on that just makes it shitty overall. I worked at Walmart back in like '94 unloading the trucks at night. Talk about the fastest "get toned up and in shape" exercise program in the world, they should've charged people to do that instead of paying them! No matter what anyone says, or how they look down their nose at Walmart (or other "shitty" jobs), it's a steady paycheck and there's no shame in being responsible and paying your bills. Some folks sound like they'd rather go on welfare than "lower" themselves by getting a job at Walmart. So I say thumbs-up to all the folks that have done shitty jobs when they need to - you took care of what you were supposed to be taking care of, and that's all that mattered. I'm with SheepGuy... diversify. You never know, some strange law could come along or some company adult depends upon (like Visa) could make some policy change and freesites could be out the window next month. If that's the only thing you're doing, you're up shit's creek. Plus it keeps things more interesting when you diversify and gets less monotonous. Try blogging, building little SE portals, single-page SE wonders, anything. Just keep it interesting for yourself and don't put all of your eggs in one basket. |
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First I have been to the board in like a week. Been working my balls off. After the bad month of November December started off just as shitty, so I decided I had to rededicate myself to my galleries again. When I started free sites I let my galleries just kinda go on their own, figured out that while the free site stuff was growing slowly the gallery money has started drying up faster than the free site money is growing, time to do both full time. Not to mention I am in the workings of starting up my own linklist, which I am hoping to have launched by the end of the year.
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This thread realy shocked me... Im new in this world of adult sites.
I did a little research about free sites and affiliates... well i think that they can be compatibile but... You have to be smart about it. You need to have a good vision what the site will look like and what its purpose is. You need to set long term goals and go go go! Dont stop! I'm quite sure that google, SEO, little brain storming can do everything... Regards... |
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It sure takes time and it is harder than it use to be. Over the years I have gotten burnt out or lazy, more times that I can probably count, but my adult stuff has always made more than any regular job would pay. I believe any one can make more than say, walmart pays. Just one sale a day would pretty much cover that. But, the biggest drawback of this business, any business for that matter, is you dont have a boss hanging on you to make sure the work gets done. We all know, though we dont want to admit it, that it's real easy to get distracted, the net has a million distractions. It's too easy to find out 3 hours later you have'nt gotten any "work" done. You sure have to be disicplined.
When I started in this biz, my motivation was to get away from the job, I was SO sick and tired of working for some one else, working when they told me to, taking the crap pay they wanted to pay me. Same went for my wife having to take stupid crap at a stupid job. My wife was'nt thrilled with the idea, but I told her I was going to do it, it was going to work and that was that. It did'nt take long to make more than the job was paying, because I knew it was going to work. It is harder in this business than it use to be, so we need to work smarter, more efficient and most important, get the most out of what we do. It amazes me every day to see people not getting the best out of their work. We all have a limited amount of traffic, so it is in our best interest to squeeze every cick out of it. How many people even track their ads? Not many from what I see. If you want to get the most of your traffic, how can you do that when you dont know how your ads are performing, or how they are not performing? Every day I see sites that would not get listed anywhere, yet the same people keep doing it ever day. I still see people using ads I know do not pull crap for clicks, yet they keep doing it every day. It use to be you could throw up a crappy site and make money. I use to churn out crappy avs site after crappy avs site and every one I made would make at least one sale, every time. Being that it's not as easy as it use to be, I believe, more than before we need to treat this like a real business, not really a bad thing. If you had a real life brick and mortar store, would you keep trying to sell products that customers did'nt buy? Or sell products that did'nt make a profit? More importantly would you keep using ads that did'nt bring many customers in your store? If you did google adwords, would you keep using an ad that did'nt get clicks? Would you keep paying for clicks that did'nt make you any sales? Blogging is the big rage right now and it does work. Yet I see far more crap blogs than good ones. Some people believe if they mass produce enough, they will get enough traffic. On the other hand what if you did one really good blog instead of 10 crap ones? Could save you time and make you more money. I have one blog that out pulls all my other blogs and really dont take that much more time. How many people read marketing or sales books? We are in the business of marketing and or sell porn, well actually a fantasy, but it's still selling and marketing an idea/product. Can we say we do our best to sell it? Most people making good money do it by having multiple streams of income. If one slows down or dissappears, it wont be as much of a big hit. The same could be said for traffic, the more sources, the less one loss is going to hurt. So often I see people complaining they are not making any money, yet they have a high post count in a short time on a message board. Dont complain if your not doing the work. By the same token, networking is so important in this business, more that most realize, yet few do it. But moderation can be the key. If you dont like doing free sites, dont do them, or at least do other things like blogs or hubs, ect, or to build up other things so you might be able to get away from free sites. It's been said over and over, the more you enjoy something, the better chance you'll have at success. The opposite can be true. I think that most would agree, besides galleries, free sites are the best avenue at getting descent traffic if your new or not networked. I have done some free sites and I know the traffic can last quite a while, longer than I thought. If we know they produce traffic, are we doing all we can to get sales out of the traffic? Or we getting the most traffic out of each site? Many people dont get listed everywhere like they say. Lets face it, we all KNOW this business is making billions, we all know that for a fact. The money is there, we just have to do the best to grab our share. Every one has the opportunity. None of the above is directed at any one in this thread or on this board, just my rambling and observations. And I'll be the first one to admit, I have been guilty of it all at one time or another.. |
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Hi Ronnie
Nice post! Re:tracking banner conversions etc. what do you use for tracking banner conversions? I have to admit I have always been a "throw a new banner in there" type of webmaster and i have never kept track of good banners vs bad banners. I suppose theres some scripts out there that you could use, but I would not want to piss any link list owners off, if it has some fancy java or cgi on the page. What would you suggest for banner tracking? And what about text link tracking, is it possible to track this? The way I have always made sites is to just whack home made text links in, or some banners from the site in question, never paying too much attention to which free site the sales came from etc. Even today I find it a bit tricky to know exactly what site made the sale. Unless you make a new NATS campaign for each site you do, but nats isnt available for sponsors such as top bucks, tcg or nasty or bang bros etc. I have to say, I am just trying anything and everything right now, just to make a couple of sales, so I am all over the show really lol. I have some blogs but they are probably under your "crap" ones you mentioned. I dont always know what direction to go, so I do a bit of everything, but thats not necesarily a good thing as I could possibly be beter going in a direction that suited me more. Some people say, work out what works and multiply that, but I havent really found anything that works as such yet, as it does seem to be months and months of doing somethng before you will see a result, and being impatient at the best of times is not a good trait for me as I know you have to wait like 3-6 months to see some results for free sites or blogs. Back to the grind ) cheers JD |
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2006-12-17, 08:07 PM
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Hey man, most every sponsor I use I can tell where my sales came from, topbucks, nasty, etc. Except on those no data refferers, haha.
Right now I am still sticking with the free sites thing as my main thing, but I have decided if I want to really go anywhere I am gonna have to work way more and at different things at the same time, and doing different things at the same time is terribly hard for me, I get into a mind set and I have problems doing anything else, gonna have to get off the one track mind mode. Just here lately I have put a little more effort into my tgp galleries, starting up a link list, and getting ready to start a fake tgp project with my cousin that will probably end up being a full time job in by itself. Seems to get things going you have to give up your whole life, but once the ball gets rolling you still need to stay on top of things, but you can relax just a tiny bit.
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Try different things and figure out what you like doing.
Don't chase the money too hard, because it doesn't matter how much money you make, if you gotta sink alot of hours into it and if you don't enjoy what you're doing, sooner or later you'll quit. If you love what you do - for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health - you'll keep going.
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As for ads, one of the best tracking script is http://phpadsnew.com/two/ and best of all it's free. Incredible script. It does have a learning curve, but well worth it. Few people on this board use it, so if your ever stuck, should be able to get some help. I've never see a LL owner say anying about it, strange if they would. Now if you use a JS one, then you might get some flack, or bots not liking the code. Our goal is to get any many surfers to the sponsors as possible, it's a sales game. More people that see the paysite, more apt to sign-up. Of course better your ads pull, the more you send to the sponsor. As for tracking sales, yes most sponsors do show, but not always. So you see the ones that make the sales and do more. As for the waiting, thats not really true, least for free sites and tgp galleries for example. They both usually get traffic within a day or so, so in a week, you should be able to see what works and what does'nt. Should be able to see which ads work, which dont, eliminating the dogs. On another note, which sites/galleries get the most interest. It will take a little time, but I dont see it as months. Now a blog, that might take a little longer, they do need to "build-up". Nothing wrong with trying many things, just drop the ones you know for sure are not working, and give each venture enough time to evaluate if it works for you or not. Also, of course the more focused you are, the better you'll do. Save time, automate what you can. Think of all the things you do in a normal day, see if you can streamline them or automate them. Last edited by ronnie; 2006-12-17 at 10:55 PM.. |
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laugh, good to hear it isnt just us. i still work at wal-mart , thats how i've been paying the bills for the last year while i started work on tightteela.com . i wont repeat the same things you've guys said already, but i can fully agree that this job is the hardest i've ever taken, not for the work itself, but because often there is little or no reward or pay, just work. and i've gotten concerned people around me wondering if i've made the right choice for work and its not the 'porn' aspect, its the money. on the plus side, most of the parts i didnt like or were hard to do because of the drain on my mental, are done with, and its been the most rewarding job putting my first paysite together.
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attn: wallmart shopers
(or is that supposed to be Kmart) Teela you should spend your time making hosted galleries :-) I love premoting single girls I just surfed by your site and thought... ohh shes hot and.... nasty but was hugely disapointed when I clicked on the webmaster page your never gonna make any money if you dont have any materials for webmasters to use
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What can I do - I was born this way LOL
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Hi Teela,
What Tommy says exactly! I looked at your site a month or so ago, looked great! But I promote about 300 solo girls at http://www.findavagina.com and while I would have loved to add your site to the mix, I didn't feel like taking the time to make 5 or six clean galleries to do it. If you take the time to make them let me know and I'll have you up right away!
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I agree about taking breaks. However my break has been to long and prolly need a good “ass kicking” to get going again.
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I thought I'd post some more positive news. I don't frequent the boards or network often, but happened to see this. I'm also 35, and I average submitting 1-2 TGP galleries a day and maybe 1 freesite every few weeks, and maybe one 'other' site every few months. This comes out to an average of less than 2 hours a day for me and returns about 5-7k per month which allows me to travel, hobbies, take a month off, etc. I could put more hours in but I have other sources of income which gives me plenty and I'd rather have the free time.
This is more from a TGP gallery perspective, but some pointers: 1. Don't be afraid to purchase partner accounts. Spend a little money and submit good clean sites on fast hosting. I haven't tried buying gallery spots yet, just some partner submission accts. 2. Use a stats program like StatsRemote to compare and promote the better converting sponsors. I frequently try new categories/sites but still most of my traffic goes to the top converters. #1 converted last month at $.17/unique (including rebills) and the #2 converted at $.09/unique(PPS). Most of the others are $.04/unique or less. 3. Tweak your sites and try new things and compare ratios every month. 4. Have a place for the uninterested surfer to go. At the bottom of my pages I usually have a 'No thanks, take me to <some catchy name for one of my free/hub sites>' to keep them in my network. This *does* generate sales. And some ratios from StatsRemote: Last month (Nov 06) 88,471 Uniques, 164 sales, 136 rebills. Year to Date (06) 835,274 Uniques, 1722 sales, 1519 rebills. Keep trying, like anything else, the adult biz uses the 80/20 rule where probably 80% of the money is made by less than 20% of those involved. I'm a small timer. |
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tommy and sheep i dont want to spam this thread but id be happy to get you what you need
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ya know what would be cool
a whole bunch of galleries of you getting nailed wearing a tommys tshirt the only thing is I have so many hosted gallerys in my script 20 or 30 galleries is like a grain of sand on the beach you can see the amount of gallerys your stuff would be up against but if your intersted I would love to talk to you about it
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