What Ratio Do You Value?

[nibbler]

Originally Posted by [BV]

30%-35% is about average so 20% is a little low. But 1:500 sounds good but there are so many other variables consider.


That 1:500 is probably RAW, in reality your more like 1:350, and that would be 1st page. which = dam good, so in essence you would have to replace it with a site that converted 1:700 with a 40% rebill just to do the same thing providing the membership costs are the same for both.

So another reason why ratios are meaningless by themselves and why you need to look at the bottom line, how much $ you make from it versus another site in it's place.

You're absolutely right. Ideally, in a situation like this, i'd switch over to PPS. Unfortunately, that option is not offered.

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by nibbler

You're absolutely right. Ideally, in a situation like this, i'd switch over to PPS. Unfortunately, that option is not offered.

Well that's a whole other argument in itself. (Revshare versus PPS)

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by [BV]

30%-35% is about average so 20% is a little low...

My traffic must suck, because I'm happy when 20% of my signups rebill at least once

Based on the last CCBill Stats run I posted, I had 21 programs with 50+ total signups. The best rebill percent was 37.33% & the worst was 11.59%

But you then have to look at other factors, like money per click - I had one rebilling at 12% that's getting $0.04/click & one rebilling at 26% that's getting $0.03/click.

There's so many factors you have to look at with revshare programs that it boggles the mind.

[Licker4U]

Well, I checked every tour at that one sponsor that had any sales and my $'s/click sucks everywhere. The best was .02/click so I built a site for a sponsor I haven't promoted for six months and submitted it yesterday. 14 uniques and one signup. It was some kind of web900 that paid $10.00. That's .71/click!

(I don't have any preconceived ideas, I know it won't hold up but it sure was nice to see )

[jonnydoe]

My overall results aren't much better at .019 but my "jewels" are yielding .053 and .086...I hope these hold up ;-)

[jonnydoe]

Originally Posted by Greenie

My traffic must suck, because I'm happy when 20% of my signups rebill at least once

Based on the last CCBill Stats run I posted, I had 21 programs with 50+ total signups. The best rebill percent was 37.33% & the worst was 11.59%

But you then have to look at other factors, like money per click - I had one rebilling at 12% that's getting $0.04/click & one rebilling at 26% that's getting $0.03/click.

There's so many factors you have to look at with revshare programs that it boggles the mind.

Hey Greenie...Do those numbers include rebills from trials? I picked up a new sponsor recently and was chatting with the rep. and he indicated that I could expect about 20% of my trials to rebill. Most of the stuff I have done in the past has been PPS so I really don't have a good concept of what I should expect.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by jonnydoe

Hey Greenie...Do those numbers include rebills from trials?...

The numbers I post in my CCBill Stats as far as rebills are the number of those signups that rebilled at least once divided by the total number of initial signups.

You can do this in CCBill's admin, but you have to count them by hand, as their "Rebill" totals take into account every rebill (so 1 member that rebills 5 times is counted as 5) So click on the "trial" and/or "recurring", where you can see each member & how many times they rebilled - just count the number of members that have at least 1 rebill & then divide that number by the total from the "trial" & "recurring" & you have the % that have rebilled at least once.

You have to do this with all time number, because if you've been signed up for a program for 2 years & you run totals for the last 12 months, people that signed up during the 1st year that are still rebilling are included in the totals.

As far as I can tell, you can not do this in NATS or MPA or any of the other custom admins So for those, your sorta fucked for getting real numbers (meaning, 5 members that rebill once look the same as 4 members that cancel before the trail is over and 1 member that rebills 5 times)

I am full of useless info

[jonnydoe]

"I am full of useless info "
It's always appreciated...

[JustRobert]

I think Greenie's stats are brilliant. Not the 1:300 part but the way he breaks them down. Truly helps in finding a new sponsor that may work with my little traffic or one to promote more so I Thank him for the info.

I'm not at his level so I look more at what it costs me for all my traffic/hosting compared to sales/earnings first. If you have 10,000 hits to a page and get 1000 to click over creating 4 sales its 1:250 according to the sponsor. But if you can get 7500 to click over creating 10 sales then its 1:750. It costs you the same for bandwidth so which one do you prefer. This is just an example for a single sponsor gallery or freesite since I make most money subbing.

Due to pps & revshare I like to place all monetary actions(sales&rebills) in one column and the amounts in another for every sponsor into an excel spreadsheet. I do this at the close of every pay period. It does not take that long. End of month, I sort by earnings.

Usually see the ones you promote the most at top but ya find a couple you do not push as much earning close to. Reminder to push them a bit more. Like stated earlier, rather 1:1500 with a sponsor that has a track record of long rebillings.

Great thread, love reading how other people look at this

[HowlingWulf]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You can do this in CCBill's admin, but you have to count them by hand, as their "Rebill" totals take into account every rebill (so 1 member that rebills 5 times is counted as 5) So click on the "trial" and/or "recurring", where you can see each member & how many times they rebilled - just count the number of members that have at least 1 rebill & then divide that number by the total from the "trial" & "recurring" & you have the % that have rebilled at least once.

I never even thought of doing this, nor knew how till I read this. So I used CCBill admin to see how many of my best sponsor's signups for Jan rebilled in Feb to get a one month snapshot. The results were out of 102 new signups in Jan, 40 of them rebilled in Feb, for a 39% rebill.

[themojo]

hi guysss.. newbie here and this is my first post..

I done tgp posting before and then stop for like 2 years ago.. I come back now with freesites. I had problem with my ccbill stats, because they don't shows any other that raw page clicks.. I tried myself clicking my links until the join page and ask some friends to do so... but the clicks just don't counted. I thought because my links is blindlinks so it's showing bad ratios.. but comparing other fs and some advice here, I don't think it can be categorized as blindlinks. Then I think this is caused because I was inactive for almost 2 years. I have contacted ccbill, but there aren't any response yet. Do any of you guys experience the same thing ?

btw, this is some of my fs

http://www.pussyfier.com/ftvgirls/0102fs/01/
http://www.pussyfier.com/model_flats/0102fs/01/
http://www.pussyfier.com/mplstudios/0102fs/01/
http://www.pussyfier.com/latina/0102fs/01/
http://www.pussyfier.com/teen_latina/0102fs/01/

Thanks

[Greenguy]

themojo - the link codes look correct, so you might want to ask the sponsors to look into thing if CCBill has yet to reply.

[themojo]

thanks greenie.. I'll contact the sponsors ... hopefully they can find out what's going on