Skipping PR On Export?

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

WHAT HE SAID!!

This about the 10th PR thread this week... and in this forum many of us older heads have been trying to tell you same thing for YEARS now..

Do not waste your time chasing PR... there are much more worthwhile things you could be doing...

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What a monstrous waste of time... you could actually be out there doing something constructive.. rather than applying an inappropriate tag to links where it is most likely ignored!

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REPEAT same message!


Linkster and I , and Bill and.... and... and.. have been telling you all to ignore that little green bar for years now...

When is anyone going to listen?

DD

Nothing personal... but just because you or someone else tells me something doesn't mean I'm not going to investigate it further and come to my own conclusions. And discussing it out in the forum is a way for me to do that. Sorry you don't like the topic.

And yeah I started one of those threads above? Was it not a legit question?

Halfdeck - Nice post, thanks.

[Linkster]

I guess the easiest way to do this is to break down some myths and unfortunately the leading "SEO" experts out there disagree with me, but then they have just come along in the last 3 or so years and are blinded by what the Google public relations people have been putting out.

First - PR does not equal page rank - its just a little logarithmic representation created digitally for surfers because they like cool gadgets on a scale from 1-10 - the base of the log is somewhere estimated around 6-7

This scale is applied to all PAGES on the net that Google knows about - note this is NOT SITES - and is a representation of the closeness of a page to Googles index page (the #1 page at the top rating of 10)
There are many factors that go into this display and anyone that tells you they have broken the code and have figured out how to display a real time version of this is lying - and has no idea as this is one of many closely guarded secrets

The one thing known about this little display for sure is that you can manipulate it to show whatever you want - Im not going to demonstrate how to do it - as there are enough code idiots running around that already know how and sucker people into link trades using this "feature"

Conclusion - (at least mine and some others that have dealt with this for many years) - if you base a business model or even your little hobby on a little green bar - you deserve to fail

Page Rank - Google has dealt with this issue many times in their published college papers - this is what is created from their algorithm based on hundreds of factors from major ones like "Votes" to little things like html compliance and on and on
You can take guesses for years on what is included in this algo - and believe me there are many who have been trying for their entire careers - and still not know all the factors.
Again - this is something applied at the PAGE level - not the SITE

This Page Rank is the secret stuff that determines where you "rank" in the search results - again it has nothing to do with the PR listed above

Now to confuse the issue a little - there is a third element - called algo filters - these are little things that are applied to a page based on something Google doesnt like - an example would be hidden text - if a page has some hidden text and they detect it (which they do pretty well) - then that filter is applied to that page after the ranking occurs
Some other general type filters that get used - if you have more than two pages from the same domain that would rank for a particular search - then they apply this filter to only show two pages in the top 1000 search results
A good way to see this filter in play is to either go to the end of the results and click on the "display ommitted results" link or you can just add &filter=0 to the end of your URL in the address box of the search results

To generalize here a little - you will run into many people that "think" they know how Google works based on their own experiences or repeating the claims of other "experts" - but I sure wouldnt want to run my business on heresay and unproven theories - if you do - Good Luck

[Halfdeck]

Now to confuse the issue a little - there is a third element - called algo filters

Hey, let's stay on topic

you will run into many people that "think" they know how Google works based on their own experiences or repeating the claims of other "experts" - but I sure wouldnt want to run my business on heresay and unproven theories

Jeez, anything you disagree with is an "unproven theory" and whatever you agree with is fact, right? BTW what I'm saying is far from mainstream. Most SEO "experts" dismiss PageRank as a non-factor. In fact, a couple months back when I wrote PageRank is the primary factor determining supplemental results, Rand Fishkin (the guy who tried to propose during the last superbowl) told me he thinks what I said is "bogus." A relatively well-known black hatter also agreed with him.

Conclusion - (at least mine and some others that have dealt with this for many years) - if you base a business model or even your little hobby on a little green bar - you deserve to fail

PageRank is not a business model. It's more like gravity. If you have a good site, respected by other authoritative sites, you got a good chance ranking high on Google irregardless of what the toolbar says for a particular page.

TBPR is a rough reflection of a site's visibility. A TBPR 9 site (a site with a TBPR 9 root) is usually a site we've all heard of; there are a ton of TBPR 0 pages no one knows they exist.

By taking that width (22) and dividing it by 40 or whatever number he came up with you had what your REAL PR was

Well, that's just ridiculous

The one thing known about this little display for sure is that you can manipulate it to show whatever you want

Fake TBPR does absolutely nothing for your site, I don't have sympathy toward people who linktrade based solely on TBPR, and the tactic is well-known, so in case you didn't already know:

All you gotta do is redirect a page to a X TBPR page using a header PHP code or htaccess. I've tried both; one method works - I forget which. After PageRank export, you remove the redirect. Then you linktrade with high TBPR pages so that by the next update your TBPR will be "real."

A better indicator of domain strength is freshness of cache dates and the number of pages in the main index (as opposed to pages labeled as supplemental).

I currently have a page that ranks #1 in Google for a mid-level term that has a PR0. And we've all seen pages that rank higher than pages that have a much higher PR.

Yeah, but like Linkster said, what you see in your toolbar isn't PageRank. If the only ranking factor was PageRank, that fact would prove Google doesn't sort results according to PageRank, but I don't think anyone is insisting PageRank is the only ranking factor.

Bottom line: build a valuable site and build traffic to it - bookmarkers, organic links, sales, ranking, and PageRank will follow. There's a reason why Google's spam team leader thinks sites like Link-o-Rama and The Hun are quality porn sites - and the reason isn't high PageRank.

Build crappy niche hub-pages and try to linktrade your way into Google's front page - I think you'll find you just wasted your time.