I've Pulled Hardlink Trades - You May Want To Read This

Linkster · 2007-04-13, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

the guy knows his shit.

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry

Oh...and HI DEB!!!!

plateman · 2007-04-13, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry

Oh...and HI DEB!!!!

yup he is, DD is good people in my book and the friends of his that I know are too

jennym · 2007-04-13, 01:09 PM

Since this thread is obviously not going to be productive, I will make a few comments, and bow out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

That is very true - and fortunately one of the nicest guys Ive worked with in the industry

I have never said DD was an idiot. I just have a problem with his delivery. He basically comes in, says "all of you are fucking idiots" and leaves. That being said, I am sure he has been pleasant in personal dealings with some people.
However.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by plateman

yup he is, DD is good people in my book and the friends of his that I know are too

He is great? All his friends are great? This just comes off as typical message board ass licking.

Since it is obvious from this thread that I can be a bitch,

I will concede that fact. But, I am not here to kiss ass or stroke egos. I will bring up what I think is a discussion worthy topic. And, if I believe I am doing the right thing, I will defend it to the end. At the end of the day, there will be those that disagree, and that is fine with me. There are certainly no hard feelings on my end over a business discussion. I won't pull links, decline sites, or be a bitch to someone in the future based on a message board disagreement. It certainly wouldn't have caused me to pull plateman's links. If any of you feel differently, then you should back up, take a deep breath, and maybe come back later.

On that note....happy Friday the 13th to all

plateman · 2007-04-13, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennym

Since this thread is obviously not going to be productive, I will make a few comments, and bow out.

I have never said DD was an idiot. I just have a problem with his delivery. He basically comes in, says "all of you are fucking idiots" and leaves. That being said, I am sure he has been pleasant in personal dealings with some people.
However.......

He is great? All his friends are great? This just comes off as typical message board ass licking.

Since it is obvious from this thread that I can be a bitch,

I will concede that fact. But, I am not here to kiss ass or stroke egos. I will bring up what I think is a discussion worthy topic. And, if I believe I am doing the right thing, I will defend it to the end. At the end of the day, there will be those that disagree, and that is fine with me. There are certainly no hard feelings on my end over a business discussion. I won't pull links, decline sites, or be a bitch to someone in the future based on a message board disagreement. It certainly wouldn't have caused me to pull plateman's links. If any of you feel differently, then you should back up, take a deep breath, and maybe come back later.

On that note....happy Friday the 13th to all

why is that linkster can say dave is a nice guy and so on, but I can't and am called a ass kisser and stroker?

I should have pulled the links and moved on and told you guys to kiss my fuckin ass a lot of posts ago

Useless · 2007-04-13, 02:18 PM

Where else in the world is being in agreement considered ass kissing? Of course, it's always the person who disagrees who calls it that.

There have been many, many occasions where it has been insinuated that I kiss GG's or DD's ass. Trust me, there's no point in that. They see through it and don't respect it. And anyone who is a regular reader of this board has seen me openly disagree with both. I just don't call them cocksuckers or cunts during the argument.

Back to the point - during SE discussions here, I have read that the sites which link to you may be as important as who you link to. BUT that doesn't necessarily mean that where one's pages fall in the results is of any great impact. Losing those inbound links, in my opinion, is more likely to cause you problems than maintaining them; assuming those sites are not SE spammers.

Steady as she goes is my rule of thumb.

If you think you are declining in the SEs, you should probably look internally instead of assuming that its the fault of your linking partners. Hell, an improperly setup, or unhealthy, server can cause you huge issues when the bots come-a-knocking. If you are not failing in the SEs, then there's probably little point to this conversation.

Linkster · 2007-04-25, 06:51 PM

Reviving this one - just got an email today - site is edited out but thought it was interesting that they considered the fact that other sites might leave links up to them after they pull all outgoing link trades - more interesting is that when I visited the LL I noticed that they had broken their categories down into pae 1, 2 etc and no cat link trades were on the first cat page at all - and this is before they started pulling links???

"Hi,

We really appreciate the link exchanges that you have done with us over the past years.

We have some link lists that are performing poorly in the Google SERPS and we're trying to figure out why. We've looked at a lot of on-site factors and made adjustments without much effect so far. We're now looking at the off-site factors that we think may effect rankings. This is not a "knee-jerk" reaction. We've been studying and experimenting since October on sites that started trending down at that time.

We think that google may have identified certain sites as part of a link farm (for lack of a better phrase). We think that this link farm consists of somewhere between 50 and 100 sites. If you look at the SERPS and go to the back (the 1000th result) and start looking forward you'll see a lot of pages from sites that are part of the same group of link exchanges. We not saying that these sites constitute a link farm in the usual sense like free-4-all schemes, but that Google may have tightened up their definition of link farms.

We are conducting an SEO experiment to see if we can identify this as the case. To do this, we are going to pull links to all sites on site. We are doing this because we really have no way of telling which sites/pages Google considers part of this link farm and which are not. We want to let Google spider this site for a few weeks and see that it is no longer linking to the same group of sites, then see what effect this has on our placement in the SERPS. We're not making any statements as to whether any sites are penalized or artificially dampened.

We apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you. We encourage you to watch the SERPS to see if our experiment works. Please feel free to contact us at any time and we will gladly share our thoughts and findings with you.

We certainly understand if you want to pull your links to our site. It may help you to do this...we just don't know at this point. We own close to 400 sites and the only links we're pulling are the ones on site edited out.

As you know, sometimes SEO is just trial and error. A lot of the webmasters that we've spoken to have expressed the same concerns about linking to a big group of sites that all tend to link to each other. The only way to find out is by experimentation. This is what we are doing, we are trying something and letting all of our link exchange partners know up front so you too can watch the results, and hopefully benefit from this experiment too.

We are not ruling out putting links back on this site after the experiment...we just want to give it some time with no link exchanges on this one site to see what happens.

Again, thanks in advance for your patience and understanding."

Linkster · 2007-04-25, 07:14 PM

Funny thing is this very same site that sent out this email has evidently already pulled the cat trades - but their second page of links - which is where I assumed they put the link trades isnt there - and the free site submitters arent going to be happy with this:
"robots" content="noindex,nofollow - on the cat pages after the newest page

Bill · 2007-04-25, 07:16 PM

I like how they say, "Your sites and links may be considered part of a link farm (but our _four hundred_ sites are innocent victims.)".

2007-04-13, 02:18 PM	#5
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	Where else in the world is being in agreement considered ass kissing? Of course, it's always the person who disagrees who calls it that. There have been many, many occasions where it has been insinuated that I kiss GG's or DD's ass. Trust me, there's no point in that. They see through it and don't respect it. And anyone who is a regular reader of this board has seen me openly disagree with both. I just don't call them cocksuckers or cunts during the argument. Back to the point - during SE discussions here, I have read that the sites which link to you may be as important as who you link to. BUT that doesn't necessarily mean that where one's pages fall in the results is of any great impact. Losing those inbound links, in my opinion, is more likely to cause you problems than maintaining them; assuming those sites are not SE spammers. Steady as she goes is my rule of thumb. If you think you are declining in the SEs, you should probably look internally instead of assuming that its the fault of your linking partners. Hell, an improperly setup, or unhealthy, server can cause you huge issues when the bots come-a-knocking. If you are not failing in the SEs, then there's probably little point to this conversation. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling. Last edited by Useless; 2007-04-13 at 02:21 PM..

2007-04-25, 06:51 PM	#6
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Reviving this one - just got an email today - site is edited out but thought it was interesting that they considered the fact that other sites might leave links up to them after they pull all outgoing link trades - more interesting is that when I visited the LL I noticed that they had broken their categories down into pae 1, 2 etc and no cat link trades were on the first cat page at all - and this is before they started pulling links??? "Hi, We really appreciate the link exchanges that you have done with us over the past years. We have some link lists that are performing poorly in the Google SERPS and we're trying to figure out why. We've looked at a lot of on-site factors and made adjustments without much effect so far. We're now looking at the off-site factors that we think may effect rankings. This is not a "knee-jerk" reaction. We've been studying and experimenting since October on sites that started trending down at that time. We think that google may have identified certain sites as part of a link farm (for lack of a better phrase). We think that this link farm consists of somewhere between 50 and 100 sites. If you look at the SERPS and go to the back (the 1000th result) and start looking forward you'll see a lot of pages from sites that are part of the same group of link exchanges. We not saying that these sites constitute a link farm in the usual sense like free-4-all schemes, but that Google may have tightened up their definition of link farms. We are conducting an SEO experiment to see if we can identify this as the case. To do this, we are going to pull links to all sites on site. We are doing this because we really have no way of telling which sites/pages Google considers part of this link farm and which are not. We want to let Google spider this site for a few weeks and see that it is no longer linking to the same group of sites, then see what effect this has on our placement in the SERPS. We're not making any statements as to whether any sites are penalized or artificially dampened. We apologize for the inconvenience that this may cause you. We encourage you to watch the SERPS to see if our experiment works. Please feel free to contact us at any time and we will gladly share our thoughts and findings with you. We certainly understand if you want to pull your links to our site. It may help you to do this...we just don't know at this point. We own close to 400 sites and the only links we're pulling are the ones on site edited out. As you know, sometimes SEO is just trial and error. A lot of the webmasters that we've spoken to have expressed the same concerns about linking to a big group of sites that all tend to link to each other. The only way to find out is by experimentation. This is what we are doing, we are trying something and letting all of our link exchange partners know up front so you too can watch the results, and hopefully benefit from this experiment too. We are not ruling out putting links back on this site after the experiment...we just want to give it some time with no link exchanges on this one site to see what happens. Again, thanks in advance for your patience and understanding." __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash Last edited by Linkster; 2007-04-25 at 06:54 PM..

2007-04-25, 07:14 PM	#7
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Funny thing is this very same site that sent out this email has evidently already pulled the cat trades - but their second page of links - which is where I assumed they put the link trades isnt there - and the free site submitters arent going to be happy with this: "robots" content="noindex,nofollow - on the cat pages after the newest page __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

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2007-04-25, 07:16 PM	#8
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I like how they say, "Your sites and links may be considered part of a link farm (but our _four hundred_ sites are innocent victims.)".