Question For Link List Owners & Reviewers About Blind Recip Links

[Useless]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

It is time free site builders stood up for themselves...

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

I hope someone remembers to bookmark this thread so that the next time I'm called a sheep because I'm backing the opinion of GG or DD I can refer back to it.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I thought of something yesterday afternoon & I have updated my example - this is where we are headed:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/blindrecips.html

That's the cleanest recip table I've seen in a long time. I may use that on my next free site.

[ponygirl]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

exactly. How can we bite the hands that feed us?? This sucks, it's like 2 family members fighting. You love them both, so how can you take sides?

I may just go back to the old gif/table recips, that seems easier than trying to tiptoe through this minefield.

[grundic]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

I've always wished that there more people like me in the business. We really need more honest, yet semi-self-destructive webmasters who are willing to state their opinion, despite the possibility of a thorough lashing.

They have their own opinion!

But every time, when they say something about your LL (LOR, DD, .. etc) they become banned or put on shame!
Why?
Because they are newbies, they did'n know something that you know, or they just can't speak "Fucking English" as good as you can?

Lots of webmasters can be proud, that they can speak free in several languages, and such envious and selfish cocksucker like Greenguy has no right to judge them, because they tried to write some attractive and long description for gallery!

My opinion is that GG is too heated with think, that he is the God in this industry, and his super weapon - BAN for every fucking reason, makes webmasters to keep their own oppinions with themselves!


P.S.
About blind links:
Almost every LL have blind links at their recips like this:
"Indian Porn" , "Black Porn" "Free Porn" , "Teen Movies" .. etc
because if I wrote "Indian Porn" somewhere on my freesite and link it to Indian paysite full of indian free movie samples, this freesite will be declained by the most of you because of blind link.

So why "Indian Porn" can be written at recips, but on my freesite galleries can't be written?

[tyre71]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

That won't happen. It never happens. Free site submitters never stand up against the opinion of the big link lists. As long as their income is dependent upon getting listed, they aren't going to voice a contrary opinion. Who could blame them?

Speaking for myself (as a submitter) I really could care less. If I disagree with a link list rules I simply take them off my submit list. There are tons of link list and plenty of places to get traffic.

As far as grundic post I really dont think shit throwing is really necessary. Greenie and kit can both do whatever they want with their linklist. They are the ones who put the work into them. It's their business. Greenie could have just said,"I wont accept sites with those recips anymore", but he didn't. He opened it up for debate.It's not like kit and greenie hadn't disagreed before. I remember the debate over penisbot asking for recips to porninspector.

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

My point is that everyone-link list and submitters have to do whats best for their particular business model. Maybe the focus should be on building sites that make surfers want to bookmark and link to.

Just my1/2 cent worth.

[kit]

Originally Posted by tyre71

Kit I really do understand what your trying to do. But I think it's a short sighted plan. It probably would work for a while. But what happens when google changes it algorithm? And if freesites start using these recips google may start dropping freesites from their index for being spammy. Now that may not seem like a big deal but a couple a search engine hits to each of hundreds of freesites start to add up.

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

[tyre71]

Originally Posted by kit

Freesites already very spammy. Only TGP galleries is more spammy. Because of texts copying from one freesite to other. Not only recipe tables, but also all other texts.

Short $Keyword in reciprocal text is less spammy than long "MyLinkSite Free $Keyword Links".

Kit what would you think of a straight link to your index?Do it old school. Wouldn't that be the least spammy method?

[-adultdream-]

I think it's just an another stupid reason for decline.
If you don't stop decline free sites with Penisbot's recips today, tomorrow you'll make free sites for LOR by yourself imho. "Extreme?"
PS Stop living your life based on what you THINK who you are. |king|
You are wrong.
Sorry for my English, but I think you has understood that I wished to tell.

[-adultdream-]

What for you ask opinion of others if any more do not accept sites with these recips?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by kit

Around one year ago I said: When Google decide that average freesite is a piece of spam, link sites business will ends. Looks like Google started to think so in 2007. I think so Not because I lost #1 "porn" position. Almost all link sites have been decreased in their SE rankings during this year.

Now that's accurate enough.

But if you really believe this kit, you should reward webmasters who write unique changing text links. It's well known that it's easy for google to spot thousands of identical text links, and devalue them.

Your plan will only bring you a small short term advantage, then lead to an even faster and further collapse in the future.

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Bill

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

I'd like to know too, please

[LD]

Originally Posted by tigermom

I'd like to know too, please

Me too! AMF, I just submitted a site and because of this thread included an unlinked "penisbot" inthe recip.

Both LOR and Penisbot have provided me with consistant quality traffic...hope this all gets worked out soon.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Bill

But, about the immediate problem - How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

Originally Posted by tigermom

I'd like to know too, please

Originally Posted by LuciousDelight

Me too! AMF, I just submitted a site and because of this thread included an unlinked "penisbot" inthe recip.

Kit doesn't seem to mind that at all. This is from his first post in this thread:

Originally Posted by kit

There is a compromise solution for PenisBot recpis:
http://www.catfightingxxx.com/kinky-catfighting-videos/
http://www.pynio.com/bbw/ebony-bbw-c...ker/index.html
http://www.free-porn4u.com/peaches/

He isn't trying to make things more difficult on submitters. Also, his image based recips should fine to use since the images say Penisbot on them.

[kit]

Originally Posted by Bill

How do you feel, kit, about people putting an unlinked "penisbot" in the text of the recip, so that it's not blind? Will your reviewers accept that? (excuse me if this has already been asked and answered)

This is very acceptable links: PenisBot's Porn

[kit]

Originally Posted by Bill

But if you really believe this kit, you should reward webmasters who write unique changing text links. It's well known that it's easy for google to spot thousands of identical text links, and devalue them.

You think, thousands of such links "MyLinkList Free Porn Links" is not identical text links? The longer identical text patterns is more spammy.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by kit

You think, thousands of such links "MyLinkList Free Porn Links" is not identical text links? The longer identical text patterns is more spammy.

I think it's pretty much exactly the same. The length of the text doesn't matter, it's the fact that it's easy for google to see that thousands of identical strings of text are being used as the anchor text.

That indicates an un-natural linking pattern, one that we know google is watching.

I'm not saying there is an easy solution, just that insisting that everyone use the exact same links all the time is a dead end. And you should figure out a way to get more variety in the anchor text of recips.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by grundic

They have their own opinion!

But every time, when they say something about your LL (LOR, DD, .. etc) they become banned or put on shame!
Why?...

That's such a moronic statement that I'm not even going to address it. No one gets banned because of their opinion.

Originally Posted by -adultdream-

I think it's just an another stupid reason for decline...

Thank you very much, person with 2 posts that registered yesterday

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Please stop thinking this is a "greenguy vs kit" problem - if you read thru the entire thread, you'll see where I say that I've seen other LL's doing this as well. You'll also see where other people have seen the same thing & even wondered when this topic would come up.

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Little known fact: I have a shitload of rules that I want to put into place that all BENEFIT the submitter, but I was sorta talked out of it because whatever I do effects other Link Lists. This can be proved by looking at the last time I changed my rules & the mess that caused.

I may put these rules into place just to prove once & for all that I do actually care about my submitters. Trust me, the news rules will let submitters bend & even break what Free Site submitters have been told are absolute No-No's due to a few bad apples.