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[LD]

How does one check for this type thing? Just go to LOR (or PB, RR, DD etc) and start looking? I get submissions from time to time (not SmithMedia) with my recip alongside LOR or one of the other major list, which is great but now I'm thinking I should do some investigating. Mistakes do happen, and people do cheat.

[SmithsMedia]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

How does one check for this type thing? Just go to LOR (or PB, RR, DD etc) and start looking? I get submissions from time to time (not SmithMedia) with my recip alongside LOR or one of the other major list, which is great but now I'm thinking I should do some investigating. Mistakes do happen, and people do cheat.

cheat is a harsh word, to over come this I now look at the count and chop off the odd ones, it just never occured to me before.


I know you were not calling me a cheat I meant generally

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

How does one check for this type thing? Just go to LOR (or PB, RR, DD etc) and start looking? I get submissions from time to time (not SmithMedia) with my recip alongside LOR or one of the other major list, which is great but now I'm thinking I should do some investigating. Mistakes do happen, and people do cheat.

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

[LD]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

I'm not familiar with Chameleon, but you're saying I could end up with a site which contains a LOR recip, put their automatically by Chameleon, yet that site would not be listed at LOR (a different mirror would be, however). ...?

I doesn't sound like cheating, unless the submitter were intentionally trying to trick list into listing the site.

But it is misleading as hell, it seems. When I am listed with one of the major sites, I notice qute a few extra clicks from the recip links. I haven't kept count, but I would say 20-30 extra clicks, maybe more. It is something I value as a small list, but I would rather not be fooled, whether intentional or not.

[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

The point is that the site is listed with false recips. To me thats a problem.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

The point is that the site is listed with false recips. To me thats a problem.

No doubt! I agree totally with you NY Jester!

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Wouldn't call it cheating , Chameleon does this with galleries and I assume with the LL submitter as well. Say you have 11 sites in your DB it will take one of the "better" sites (tommys or shemp or in the case of LL - LOR and use it to make up the missing recip(s). Great for the bigger site as you get more inbound links.

A similar thing CS does for galleries(not to sure if it applies to LL submitter , probably does) is to create a separate gallery for each site you submit to (resulting in 2 "fake recips) per submit - webmasters do this so they know exactly where each sale comes from , again the TGP/LL is getting more inbound links in (Mostly crappy worthless links , but still inbound links)

How much traffic do LL and TGPs get via the recip links anyway?

I consider it cheating, and I ban for it. If I see a recip on a site that's submitted to me I trust that that exact site was submitted to every site who's recip is there, not a mirror of that site, but that exact site. If I notice that a recip is fake, I keep an eye on future submits, if it happens again I ban, because I feel like someone has tried to cheat me, and is no longer trustworthy.
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