I am stuck big time! HEEELP

[Van Helsing]

Hi everyone,
I would like to thanks once again to people who helped me a lot in this board, especially Ramster. (Sorry man I am wasting all your time)

I would like to say couple things first about my current messed up traffic situation. I am doing nice galleries with hi quality pics, but can't get listed at all even with partner accounts. This is really bothering me a lot. I don't really feel like submitting to 100 TGPs a day and wait for somebody to list me. (This is what experience users are telling me to do. They are saying keep submitting, and dont even look at your log file for who is listing you.)

Please take a look at this gallery of mine:
http://www.sareph.com/gallery/irina/gallery.html

P.S: If you dont see a banner, its because something happened just now to my dedicated server

My only major traffic source is Richards-realm, he never used to list me in the past, but now he does. Thanks to him.

Unfortunately, Tommy and Greenguy does not list me

Greenguy, can you please check your queue and tell me if i am doing anything wrong?

http://www.sareph.com/link/irina/index.htm
Sorry, i know i made a mistake by sending you a gallery in the past.


Tommy, I emailed you once and you replied to me, but then suddenly you stopped replying. Maybe you are too busy, but any site i submitted to you got never listed. Can you please help?

For other people on the board, here is the question of the day: Whats the point of submitting to 100 TGPs a day if you know only maybe %10 of your submissions will be listed??? (or maybe this is the case for me only)

I think getting listed at Tommys or Greenguy will be more benefical than creating recips for 100 TGPs, because these guys' traffic is a lot bigger than medium-size TGPs.

One more thing i want to say, and please comment on this especially:
I am a computer engineer, and i dont really have time for submitting to a lot of TGPs. I am putting my money here, for quality content and hosting. I prefer 10 guranteed good listing rather than submitting to 100 and wait for some of them to list me. However, now I see that this is also becoming impossible, because big TGPs are charging for spots. 10 listings will cost around $200 per month, i cant take that risk because i am a newbie.

Anyways, all i am offering is good galleries with good content and if anyone needs a good submitter then hit me up, otherwise i'll do this adult thing for a month and then i'll probably quit. I am loosing money.

[Ramster]

OK. Here's what's wrong.

Your free site is full of blind links! It says to visit Sareph for more free galleries and movies but the surfer is going to an FPA with a small link to the free part. I told you already linking to an FPA is good BUT have the text in your gallery saying click here to see more hot czech girls, take a free tour or something. But the surfer when clicking should have the mind set of going to view a paysite with content based on what your pictures are or they will NEVER buy anything.

On top of that the paysite you are offering is NOT czech girls, it's Average Ho. Maybe your sales approach should be click here to see more hot looking average hos or something. There is NO czech girls in that tour anywhere. Result? You'll make ZERO sales.

Now your gallery:
Use bigger thumbs, 150 on the long side.
Drop ALL banners from the gallery. Banners suck ass and don't produce clicks thru to the sponsor.
Again you're talking about clicking here to see more czech girls but Average Ho has ZERO czech girls.

So use those pics to promote a different site or change your sale approach. Always look at the paysite you're promoting to see what THEIR sales approach is in their tour and use that on your gallery somewhere. If they promote having thousands of videos and gangbangs then use that in your sales text.

[Surfn]

Ramster pretty much nailed it. To sum it up again:

Use text links promising what you deliver.

Don't use banners use text links.

Look at the tour and repeat what "their sales pitch is" in YOUR own words

[Kezza]

I am guessing that whatever Ramster just said is absolutely correct!

What I just looked at your link, it was a gallery with broken images... so if that is what you are submitting to link lists... it wont get listed

If you have server problems at the moment... dont submit! Wait until its all good.

If you are trying to list a free site... then show us that! and you will receive a lot of good advice.

I wish you well with your sites and it seems like you have a good source of knowledge in Ramster... take that and use it... Most link lists will list most sites that are half trying... and you will recieve great traffic and the added bonus of some passed on PR to your site.

Good luck

[Jaden]

What Ramster said is exactly right.

The idea, I believe, in submitting to so many TGP's is to get experience in building and seeing what works as well as what doesn't, and be able to do some tweaking with some smaller amounts of traffic, and be able to figure out the pieces of how everything fits and works together.

With TGP's you have the capability to be losing much more money than you are now getting listed with the bigger guys and not having the basics down first. Have you considered building free sites only for a while....great building experience, easier on the bandwidth with a tendency to be more forgiving I believe as far as mistakes and sales go, as well the opportunity to capitalize on targeted search engine traffic once your site is dropped from many of the link lists over time.

Either way, you will still probably need to start out though submitting to as many linklists as you can in the beginning and then honing them down as you go along and find out what works. Don't really think there is a shortcut for that one, no matter what type of site you build. There's alot to learn, and just like what it takes with learning anything and applying it, just not going to happen overnight.

[Van Helsing]

I guess you guys are looking at a wrong place!
The FPA comes only if you enter the site thru sareph.com or if there is a blind link!!!

I posted two urls! There are no blind links at all! I never use any blind links. However, there is a server problem right now, because some images don't show up.

Sorry i posted thread at a very wrong time, somehow the server does not bring the images at all.

Ramster, you know how my galleries look like. You listed couple of them. Lets wait couple hours and i hope the system will come back.

I just wanted you guys to evaluate the galleries, not the main site since it contains FPA.

I'll post again when this problem is fixed.

Thanks anyway for your responses.

[Van Helsing]

I am sorry for the trouble. I fixed the problem, it was my log files which became over 70gb somehow.

Now if you look at the urls above, you'll see that everything works fine.

Can you guys please start over, and tell me what do u think?

[Bill]

Nobodies mentioning the biggest problem of all, which is that you are building teen galleries.

Teen is the most crowded and competitive of all the niches. Everybody and their 19 cousins are subbing teen galleries. If you are a new guy subbing teen galleries, you are a tiny fish way back in a big competitive mass of bigger fish. You might have to sub for 6 months before you get recognized as a reliable submitter.

Pick a less competitive niche.

[Jaden]

You still have all of this invested in great Czech content but are trying to send your traffic to a teen site.

NScash has a site called "Hungarian Honeys" that will probably give you a better return for your money, OR adjust your text to fit what you are selling. Your EuroBabes banners would work as well. You need to pick a direction you want to go and go that way. Not try to go 5-6 directions at once, by trying to use your content to sell all the different niches it fits into on one gallery or freesite. Pulling the surfer in too many directions at once that don't give them what they are looking for at all, won't make sales IMHO.

The link on your gallery page IS a blind link because it leads your surfer to a FPA for average women, which has nothing to do with what you are promising them, not much to do with your content and text, and the link to the actual page you promise is teeny tiny and a hard to see color way underneath. Same thing with all your other links. FPA's have their place, but I would say in these cases it will simply lead to a surfer OR reviewer getting frustrated and simply clicking off your site.

Just something to think about....

[Van Helsing]

It makes sense when you guys talk about teen or babe category.
I was just trying both sponsors to see what converts.

Jaden, where in my gallery it leads to a blind link???
You are not talking about the main site right?


Even with the babe galleries Bill, i am not getting listed at all.

[Jaden]

You still have all of this invested in great Czech content but are trying to send your traffic to a teen site.

NScash has a site called "Hungarian Honeys" that will probably give you a better return for your money, OR adjust your text to fit what you are selling. Your EuroBabes banners would work as well. You need to pick a direction you want to go and go that way. Not try to go 5-6 directions at once, by trying to use your content to sell all the different niches it fits into on one gallery or freesite. Pulling the surfer in too many directions at once that don't give them what they are looking for at all, won't make sales IMHO.

The link on your gallery page IS a blind link because it leads your surfer to a FPA for average women, which has nothing to do with what you are promising them, not much to do with your content and text, and the link to the actual page you promise is teeny tiny and a hard to see color way underneath. Same thing with all your other links. FPA's have their place, but I would say in these cases it will simply lead to a surfer OR reviewer getting frustrated and simply clicking off your site.

Just something to think about....

[Ramster]

If you are not known by many TGP owners then you need to stand out. Use bigger thumbs and use only 2 links to the sponsor/fpa. Also STOP linking to your hub!!!! Focus on selling site memberships and not sending surfers to your own site. Actually some TGPs owners frown on that too, linking to your own hub.

Bill makes a VERY good point. Teen is saturated for sure. Try some of the reality sites offered by SilverCash or another sponsor you're using. Overall the reality stuff converts better.

[Van Helsing]

That FPA thing is fixed now, Ramster told me what i was doing wrong.

So anything on this site wrong which you think it wont be listed at Tommys or Greenguy?

Ignore the sponsor thing for now, i need traffic first.

[Bill]

Van Helsing, Babe is the second most competitive niche. It's just as hard to get listed there as in teen.

If you have a lot invested in content, try to look at it with new eyes, and see if you can use it for less common niches.

There are places where you can view lists of gallery categories with the percentages of category submissions. If you pick the rarest niches to submit, your galleries will get looked at more, and you will get posted. This lets you start building up recognition, and a recognized name and email is the single most valuable asset a gallery poster has.

Gallery posting is a tough game. Don't make it tougher by starting out in the hardest niches.

[Van Helsing]

I only bought 10 sets of these czech girls. I can go for another niche, but i am not in the position to say that my galleries are not converting. I cant say it because i am not getting listed. If i can get listed at 5 good link sites, then maybe i can judge my content or my advertising strategy.

[Surfn]

Van Helsing no decent site is going to list you if your gallery/site doesn't match your content.

[Van Helsing]

The following gallery was posted to many TGPs, and again only was listed at Richards-realm.

http://www.sareph.com/gallery/natalie/index.html

I posted this under babes category and the sponsor matches too.

[Jaden]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
I only bought 10 sets of these czech girls. I can go for another niche, but i am not in the position to say that my galleries are not converting. I cant say it because i am not getting listed. If i can get listed at 5 good link sites, then maybe i can judge my content or my advertising strategy.

Or you can go for the smaller listings that will start the traffic coming without burning your bandwidth all to hell and play around with it all without it costing you a fortune....

[Ramster]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
The following gallery was posted to many TGPs, and again only was listed at Richards-realm.

http://www.sareph.com/gallery/natalie/index.html

I posted this under babes category and the sponsor matches too.

I just noticed the link to BabesTV opens in a new window. Many TGPs might not like that!

The content is nice and matches so as I said earlier it is a tough biz so submit to more places and to smaller/medium sized TGPs.

[Wazza]

http://www.sareph.com/gallery/irina/gallery.html

bottom banner isn't working because you're trying to pull it from your E drive... your server is fine

[Van Helsing]

So since everything is fine with the last gallery i submitted except the top banner opens a new window to sponsor, i still dont understand why it should not be listed.

You guys are right when you say that the babes or teens categories are very competitive, but i take this as competitive in making money. I don't take it as competitive to get listed, because i am following the rules the TGPs are posting. If they are recieving too many submissions on teens/babes then it is not my fault. I am sure that they all recieve a lot of submissions to BDSM, tranny, gay categories too.

Well this makes think that i should get a package which has 5000 pics for $75, because nobody cares how hi-quality my pictures are except surfers. I'll keep submitting then, and probably won't loose money on the pics as i did this time.

[Bill]

No, VH, we mean it is highly competitive to get listed.

Back in the day, all you had to do was build decent gallerys, and you get expect to get them listed fairly easily and quickly.

That day is OVER.

Now, because of the huge impact of the professional gallery cheaters, you have to be a known and trusted submitter to get your galleries even _looked at_. Your galleries are almost certainly never even seen, because the TGP owners don't know who you are.

Ram is telling you a valuable truth- to start out, make very simple galleries with big pics, and consider it _cost of doing business_. You submit regularly and you don't make much money, just to get your name recognized.

Later, you can reuse those galleires and content, to recover the money you lose in the beginning.

I suggest you also use the content you have now to make free sites for the link lists. At least you get traffic, and you can practice the art of selling porn surfers.

[Van Helsing]

Thanks to you all for your valuable comments.

By the way i got another domain because i thought maybe i might be blacklisted at Tommys or Greenguys due to some problems at my galleries.

Take care everyone.

[Bill]

Getting more domains is always a good idea.

Tommy's is a classic example of a site with a reputation system. You're going to have to work patiently in a specific pattern if you want to get listed there. It's not that easy to become a new trusted submitter.