Last Night's Radio Show....Next Week's Radio Show

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

He took a brutal and unjustified beating on last night's show and it has me in a god damned tizzy. Yes, a tizzy.

I bet you're purty when you're in a tizzy.

Back to the point, Alex wasn't the only that got, umm, misrepresented in last night show. If you haven't read the thread yet, read it, because you might wonder wtf they were talking about on the show.

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You are whiney little cunt! Oh wait, that's what Surfn said.

That's it, you asked for it.... UW, on report.... Surfn, on report.

LOL

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Simon

That's it, you asked for it.... UW, on report.... Surfn, on report.

LOL

That does it never ever again. I don't need this shit!

[Greenguy]

Mr Blue - the discussion on the show touched on a couple of threads - if you look for threads that both Raw Alex & furrygirl have posted in, it'll become a bit clearer

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Mr Blue - the discussion on the show touched on a couple of threads - if you look for threads that both Raw Alex & furrygirl have posted in, it'll become a bit clearer

Geez, they've been at it in other threads? Maybe they really love each other and this is just pent up sexual desire....or....maybe not.

Okay, so I won't speak on that part, but I still think SirMoby, Walrus, and Surfin (unless there were other threads involving this happy group) were just trying to keep the topic on track.

All I'm saying, GG&J Scratch Sheets, just like the horse races you supply the handicaps, tips, etc. before each show.

[Mr. Blue]

Okay, so I read the other thread...reading that other thread just confirmed to me that Alex isn't a misogynistic tyrant, in fact it probably makes me more willing to defend him, but I'm just a lowly TGP owner, gallery builder, freesite builder, blog writer, and reviewer that takes no risk in porn, so I doubt my humble opinion would be worth much.

[fetish1]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

Okay, so I read the other thread...reading that other thread just confirmed to me that Alex isn't a misogynistic tyrant, in fact it probably makes me more willing to defend him, but I'm just a lowly TGP owner, gallery builder, freesite builder, blog writer, and reviewer that takes no risk in porn, so I doubt my humble opinion would be worth much.

YEP it's apparent you read the other post!

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Mr Blue - the discussion on the show touched on a couple of threads - if you look for threads that both Raw Alex & furrygirl have posted in, it'll become a bit clearer

I try to read alot of the stuff here but honestly after one of the bashings I saw Alex take with little or no back up I just stay away. I see him speaking his mind and maybe I have missed something but I have never seem him start the name calling/insults etc. From what I have read if you don't agree with some peoples point of view after a few posts, when they expect you to give up, if you don't they resort to bashing. I see this person helping very little in any of the board sections where people request it, but I see this person quickly jumping in, to put in their two cents which ends up with 30 pages of agruements and the last 10 bashing. I try to stay away from any threads that person posts in.

[Bare]

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I try to read alot of the stuff here but honestly after one of the bashings I saw Alex take with little or no back up I just stay away. I see him speaking his mind and maybe I have missed something but I have never seem him start the name calling/insults etc. From what I have read if you don't agree with some peoples point of view after a few posts, when they expect you to give up, if you don't they resort to bashing. I see this person helping very little in any of the board sections where people request it, but I see this person quickly jumping in, to put in their two cents which ends up with 30 pages of agruements and the last 10 bashing. I try to stay away from any threads that person posts in.

Thank you. I've opened this thread about 10 times now trying to think of a way to comment without cursing, attacking, or filling a post with extremely negative comments. You've said it perfectly.

[furrygirl]

Oh, gee, thanks for the generous offer. *rolls eyes*.

What on earth would I get out of it? You get increased exposure due to webmaster's interest in drama and talking shit on me, you have bigger numbers to brag to your sponsors and you make more money. I get to defend myself to a bag of hot air who is too stupid to tell the difference between Trixie and myself and can't even keep track of why he's pissed off at me and which posts on the board are even written by me. You endorsed a boycott of my web site, so I don't really even get the exposure for people who may actually promote my site in smart and interesting ways. I get nothing out of it, so thanks, but no thanks.

Maybe I should start a thread on some other board asking, "How much should I bill those fucking assholes for my time?", like you did when AVN asked you to be on a panel. I mean, I am learning great business skills from the best and brightest pillars of the industry here on GG&J, right?


My lord, there is so much stupid in this thread I could be up all night if I cared to respond to it all. But, I'm going to stay out of this tired old crap for now, because I'd rather go do any number of more stimulating and profitable things with my night. I'm tired of fueling tons of page views so people who hate me can make more money from advertisements.


(And for the record, although everyone loves to represent me as a militant TGP-hater, I am not anti-TGP or anti-submitter. But, I do seem to be the only one here who dares to say that TGPs and link lists are not the most important things in the universe. The cold hard fact is that maybe a dozen of my sales in three years have been the result of an affiliate promoting me on TGPs. So, the argument that I "owe" my business to TGPs is completely idiotic. Everyone does something, but sweet crap, you people need to get out more if you think that TGP galleries are the end-all be-all of the entire sex industry since the dawn of time. My business has only existed for 3 years, but in the grand scheme of things, being in this game for 6 years or 10 years isn't actually much different than 3. It's like hearing a 9 year old go on and on about he's so much bigger and smarter than his 8 year old brother.)

[RawAlex]

Useless, I appreciate your tizzy. You are quite correct, the more and more this goes on, the more and more one side is using name calling and snide comments to "make points" and the less and less they bring to the table. It has gotten down to empty sloganeering and repeated chants that just doesn't amount to much besides noise.

Mr Blue, I thank you as well. However, I do have to correct you, it has been suggested that I am a "misogynistic prick", not a tyrant. It is clear you have read the other threads, and like many "TGP operators", you feel that you have been summarily dismissed as unimportant and not worthy of having an opinion. It is funny to think that a huge portion of the online adult business could be dismissed so easily.

At the end of all of this, it is clear we need each other, but we need each other on a level playing field where nobody is coming to the party with a huge chip on their shoulder, and nobody is prejuding people because of the work they do or the sites they run. Until then, this is all for naught.

Alex

[walrus]

I know I'm late to the party having just recently listened to the radio show. I too would like to thank Mr Blue and Greenguy who managed to sum up pretty well the meaning behind me "biting my tongue". The part he missed is that I do have a personal issue with someone and I said it as a reminder to myself that a personal issue had no place on the board.

Torn or anyone else, you have a problem with anything I post, bring it to me. Im a big boy, I can take it and I'm even a big enough boy that if I'm wrong, I can admit it. Whining about it behind my back...well thats just being a punk.

Trixie - Perhaps with the exception of this post, find a single post on this board where I have been disrespectful of anyone. I find it hypocritical that I'm supposed to be understanding and supportive of your brand of extreme porn (yes I consider red porn extreme) when you obviously can't understand someone who develops an extreme blog persona taking guys night out and pushing it to the extreme. But, if you bother to get past the fact that I over use terms like bitch and cunt a bit on my blog, read past that, and I know you'll find that I am very supportive of women just like you, the independant web girl. In fact, if I wanted to bother searching through my e-mail archives, I know I can find an e-mail that pretty much says exactly that.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by walrus

But, if you bother to get past the fact that I over use terms like bitch and cunt a bit on my blog...

Thanks for bringing that point back to my limited realm of conciousness. Trixie mentioned that she doesn't like being described with our more derogatory marketing terminology. I can't say that I blame her, but she needs to understand how we market to many types of men. I'm willing to bet that you'll get a lot more traffic from a link that calls a woman a "nasty little whore" than you will from one that refers to her as "socially concious, but naked". One of the reasons a man surfs porn is to find someone more daring and dirty than the woman(en) in his life. I'll use my own wife as an example. She is a sweet, attractive, and educated woman. I'm positive that that is all she appears to be to most people. But with me, she's my dirty little whore. Much of the text I write is born from the wacky shit I say to her when we're scrogging. (I'm especially foul-mouthed when she is blowing me.) Does this mean that I truly consider her to be a whore? Yes, but that's an entirely other issue. All I'm saying is, when you see your fine self being marketed as a nasty slut, that doesn't mean that we webmasters think that you are really a nasty slut. We're just attempting to appeal to a part of the man's psyche that NEEDS and WANTS you to be a slut.

[bluemoney]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

(I'm especially foul-mouthed when she is blowing me.)

Audio file please

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

One of the reasons a man surfs porn is to find someone more daring and dirty than the woman(en) in his life.

Ok does it make me a bad man if I go into my wifes cam shows as someone else and make her do things I can't tell her to her face? lol

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

At the end of all of this, it is clear we need each other, but we need each other on a level playing field where nobody is coming to the party with a huge chip on their shoulder, and nobody is prejuding people because of the work they do or the sites they run. Until then, this is all for naught.
Alex

Didn't listen to the show... was out. Never the less have read most of the threads re: RA vs FG. RA, to me you are generally the most reasonable and on point person around and I've said in other posts I agree with you almost always (but my opinion is meaningless). Name calling which the girls often resort to (as a defense mechanism) probably isn't cool at any level, but I suspect (unconfirmed) that you do bait them just a little . Thing is I think you are doing it "tongue in cheek" and they are taking it too seriously. A little heat all around is sometimes good just for entertainment value and to stir things up.

Here's hoping the girls (women) can lighten up a little and you don't end up with any negative personal feelings over the name calling. We are all in it together despite the divisions of activity.

[RawAlex]

UW, it is the difference for us between being men and being women. Allow me to explain.

Last time I heard a number, something like 80% or more of porn surfers are men. I would bet you that many a TGP or link site is seeing closer to 95% men. As we are men, we are in a unique position to understand and market to men, because, well, we all have much of the same feelings that our clients have. The only difference is that we are more or less extreme on certain issues.

I have a feeling that very, very few of the porn surfers we deal with daily would give a rats ass about "socialy councious", they just want to see some pussy, and work on their fantasies (whatever they may be). They came to spank the monkey, not save the monkeys in india.

I accept and understand that some percentage of the porn surfing population can think nice things and still make the little guy do his job, but in the real world slamming the salami is just a manual version of rutting, which is a primal, base urge that isn't very socially concious by nature.

Alex

[RawAlex]

It sounds like this:

http://www.filmsound.com/waves/duckjob.wav

ALex

[bluemoney]

Damn! I'm going to Disney World!

[Loganp8000]

But, if you bother to get past the fact that I over use terms like bitch and cunt a bit on my blog, read past that, and I know you'll find that I am very supportive of women just like you, the independant web girl.

I can verify that this is true. Lauren wrote the Walrus, not knowing what to expect, and he was very kind and supportive. Posted some links and photos without as much as a hint for anything in return!
ALOHA

PS - Trixie the feminist, prefers to be called " an indi webwhore " not an Independant web girl, silly Walrus

[walrus]

Originally Posted by Loganp8000

I can verify that this is true. Lauren wrote the Walrus, not knowing what to expect, and he was very kind and supportive. Posted some links and photos without as much as a hint for anything in return!
ALOHA

PS - Trixie the feminist, prefers to be called " an indi webwhore " not an Independant web girl, silly Walrus

Thanks Logan!

Politically correct terms are simply beyond my grasp, no matter how hard I try

[RawAlex]

It's okay, I am an Indi Porn Monger.

big fat fucking hairy deal.

Alex

[walrus]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It's okay, I am an Indi Porn Monger.

big fat fucking hairy deal.

Alex

Thanks, I can say that, been trying to figure out how to say "misogynistic prick" for a couple days now

[Mr. Blue]

Honestly, I like calling myself The Merchant of Sin...from now on please call me that.

[Greenguy]

Ok, I just became really fucking offended.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Oh, gee, thanks for the generous offer. *rolls eyes*.

I just wanted to offer a forum for the 2 of you to discuss things because I feel that I fucked up by not having you on personally & not have Alex on to represent himself. I am just trying to right a wrong because I feel bad about how the last show went. Hell, I'd even offer to get the 2 of you on the phone without the feed up & without my recorder on. That's how bad I feel about the last show.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

What on earth would I get out of it? You get increased exposure due to webmaster's interest in drama and talking shit on me, you have bigger numbers to brag to your sponsors and you make more money.

You're relatively new here, so I'll explain some things to you about me - I don't give a flying fuck about the money this board or the radio show generate. Sure, it's nice, but I don't need it to survive. Posting on a board helping other webmasters started out as a hobby to me & that's exactly what it was from 1998 to 2003 when Jim convinced me to join him in this venture. Even when I had my own board at Netsurprise, I got ZERO money for running it. My only compensation was 1/2 the ads on the board, which I gave away to other board members that were helping (DDave, Cleo, Alex, Tommy, etc) As far as numbers or rating for the Radio Show, I honestly could not tell you how many people listen on a weekly basis - I just don't care. The one number that I know from the 27 months that the show has been on is 90 - that's the amount of people that listened to the MarcDe ARS show on February 24 2004. You think it's about numbers & sponsors? Fuck me! How often do you see Jim or me sending press releases about contests & whatnot to the PR machines that cover the adult webmaster side of the internet? For fuck sakes, we gave away Super Bowl tickets a couple years ago & the only coverage we got was from Klixxx, because they donated some money to the winner. We're NOT about numbers. We're NOT about money. We're a legit webmaster board that is here to help other webmasters. Plain & simple.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

I get to defend myself to a bag of hot air who is too stupid to tell the difference between Trixie and myself and can't even keep track of why he's pissed off at me and which posts on the board are even written by me.

You're explaining why I thought you 2 should come on the show. Arguments like this tend to become big piles of shit if they are just on the board, but 2 people talking on the phone with Jim & I basically acting as moderators would be a lot better IMHO.

Originally Posted by furrygirl

You endorsed a boycott of my web site, so I don't really even get the exposure for people who may actually promote my site in smart and interesting ways. I get nothing out of it, so thanks, but no thanks.

I assume that you are speaking of this thread: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=28745 ????
If so, you are sadly fucking mistaken. I am not defending any boycott, I simply stated that I could care less what their reasons for removing the sites were. The only thing I care about is that he did what Link List owners ask Free Site submitters to do when they remove sites...to let us know so that we don't have 404's or 302's Endorsed a boycott? You show me where I endorsed any fucking boycott!

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Maybe I should start a thread on some other board asking, "How much should I bill those fucking assholes for my time?", like you did when AVN asked you to be on a panel. I mean, I am learning great business skills from the best and brightest pillars of the industry here on GG&J, right?

So you equate me wanting you & Alex to come on a Radio Show (that makes fuck all for money & has fuck all for listeners) to openly discuss an issue that you 2 have with each other to me speaking about traffic to 300 people at a seminar? Tell you what - I'll call you during the show and as long as you say just one word (it can be the "Hello" when you pick up the phone) and I'll give you my entire profit from Tuesday's show. It's $62.50...yippee! Same offer goes to Alex, but the price drops to $31.25/person

Originally Posted by furrygirl

(And for the record, although everyone loves to represent me as a militant TGP-hater, I am not anti-TGP or anti-submitter. But, I do seem to be the only one here who dares to say that TGPs and link lists are not the most important things in the universe. The cold hard fact is that maybe a dozen of my sales in three years have been the result of an affiliate promoting me on TGPs. So, the argument that I "owe" my business to TGPs is completely idiotic. Everyone does something, but sweet crap, you people need to get out more if you think that TGP galleries are the end-all be-all of the entire sex industry since the dawn of time. My business has only existed for 3 years, but in the grand scheme of things, being in this game for 6 years or 10 years isn't actually much different than 3. It's like hearing a 9 year old go on and on about he's so much bigger and smarter than his 8 year old brother.)

I swear to fucking God, the next ignorant ass that refers to the majority of people on this board with the acronym TGP is gonna get banned. We run Link Lists & build Free Sites. These 2 completely different aspects of the adult internet marketing world might be the same to you, but when you refer to me with "TGP", I can only equate that to me referring to you as either "content" or a "solo girl"

If you don't make any money of TGP's/Galleries or Link Lists/Free Sites, it's because your affiliate program is not set up to do so...which is fine. I don't give a flying fuck what your business model is, but if you wanted advice on what's wrong with it in the eyes of us "traffic" people, I'd give you all the advice I could free of charge (well, I would have yesterday - lol)

You have to remember that when you're here posting on this board, a vast majority of the people that you are talking to run Link Lists or submit Free Sites for a living. You can't bash our business model just because you don't understand it. I'd equate that to me going to an amateur board & bashing all the posters because of the vast number of things that I see amateurs sites doing that go against my business model. And believe me when I say that I am a HUGE supporter of the amateur community - I truly love real amateur porn. Ask around to any of the amateurs that have worked with me in the past - Torn & Kat are prime examples. While my role with amateurs may not be what it was when I had the amateur paysites, I am still a supporter, a fan & I do, believe it or not, understand a lot more about it than you think I do.

What a way to start a Saturday