SicCash???

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by Jim
AcidMaX
I suspect that if they did just change the rule page and not send you an email you would be bitching even more. You, like anyone else, probably don't check the rule pages daily. If that was the case, they would have sent you a check for much less than you thought your were getting. Probably then, you would have checked the rule page and would have said, "they could have at least sent me an email". That would be a normal reaction for anyone.

The point is not wether I would bitch or not. The point is at least in my mind I would not have a leg to stand on. Their terms page was not updated. They didn't live up to the terms that webmasters are signing up under. Sure it was ok to send me an email that was a good step but I dont feel that is appropriate and should be taken as for updating their terms as it is a per webmaster basis. To me this is just simply "profiling" their webmasters and for those of us who are honest webmasters I am just tired of getting fucked over for something out of my control.

You and I will obviously disagree on this matter, I think I have stated my point enough times, I see other webmasters agree with me except for a couple. I agree with Greenguy I can see both sides, but unfortuntely I am the one who got my payouts reduced this time so maybe I am bitter. Obviously I am not the only webmaster they have done this too either, so I will leave it at that. If my payouts get less than .04 I may drop them, then again I may just drop them for the principle of the whole thing as well. There are a ton of sponsors out there, I am sure they wont miss my signups coming in so I'm sure they could care less.

But im tired of discussing this situation, thankfully the information is out there and if people want to promote SicCash they can, they just need to know that their payouts could be knocked down or their account just simply cancelled.

Andy

[deleuze]

Originally posted by Wazza
How can SIC make a judgement on a wm after only 10 sales? If an account becomes profitable in due course does SIC return that account to the original payout figure?

Bingo, and I thought it was bad closing my account after 40 sales. What SICCash is doing is in fact worse than ANY revshare program. They are essentially saying , you will only get paid if we make a certain percentage off of your account. If it goes lower, your payout is reduced but if it goes higher, you don't receive any bonuses. It only works one way whereas a revshare program works both ways. Plus, you get hit with a whole bunch of cross sales, upsales, traffic leaks, consoles, etc. that you don't get with a revshare program. I'm sorry but what is happening borders on an outright scam.

Jim, you worked with CECash and Flashcash and have seen things from the sponsor's perspective but defending the sponsor in this situation I don't think is justified. CECash and Flashcash have always 2 of the most honest straightforward sponsors and have never pulled anything even close to resembling what has been going at SICCash for the last little while.

The saddest part is Brad Shaw has never valued the small time webmaster and it wouldn't surprise me if he is rewarding his reps for getting rid of smaller accounts and quick-trigger Greg has no problem taking advantage of this.

[natalie]

Originally posted by Wazza
How can SIC make a judgement on a wm after only 10 sales? If an account becomes profitable in due course does SIC return that account to the original payout figure?

Thats what I am going to ask my rep Danny about as well HOW do I get back to $30 per sign up. I need to know if it will ever change back before I can decide whether to change all the links and banners over.

[lassiter]

Originally posted by AcidMaX

Fact of the matter is they do whatever the hell they feel like doing regardless of Terms & Conditions, etc.

That royally sucks, but I've observed that it's a fact of life when dealing with a sponsor, a 3rd-party billing company, the phone company, a landlord, a bank, an employer...in short, with any "contractual agreement" where one side is free to alter the terms at will and the other side has no option but to agree or cancel.

The ideal or principle of contractual agreements under law is that both sides are equals, but in dealing with corporations in actual practice, there is usually one party that gets to dictate the terms, and the other party simply gets to obey those terms or walk.

Like I said, it sucks, and I'd rather it was not that way, but sometimes ya gotta just play the hand yer dealt.

[grzepa]

As for the "join, jerk , cancel" problem...why sponsors minimize the amount of content member can see with a trial membership ?
I mean some pics is ok but lets cut the movies etc. etc.

Then he'd join, convert and maybe cancel after a month...

[Opti]

Originally posted by Wazza
How can SIC make a judgement on a wm after only 10 sales? If an account becomes profitable in due course does SIC return that account to the original payout figure?

Exactly...

Sounds more like a badly managed program reacting and "cleaning house" suddenly to me...

I hope every webmaster that sees this pulls SicCash before they pull you!



Btw... Anyone know if SicCash stats have ever been fixed that people have been complaining are broken regularly since before New Year?

http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000623.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000671.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000002.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000666.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000664.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000654.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000653.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000650.html
http://shawinternet.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000649.html

I don't believe SicCash has the right to point fingers at anyone apart from themselves until they get their finger out and fix the obvious problems that they regularly have with their stats, Which Lose Sales! I guess they think that's the affiliates fault too.

Also, 4 cents per click is exactly what the average shaver aims to pay you GG... any program that sits steady at that level week after week needs to be looked at extra closely imho.

[Sarrah]

When Greg closed my account he even didn`t take the time to email me And this is what sucks, the attention to small webmasters.
So I just removed the links from my SE pages and moved on. SicCash is the only sponsor I ever had a problem with. But still, they seem to be a sponsor with good sites and features.
They should be thinking of new ways of collecting payment from all those spoiled surfers who were taught through the years not to pay and get advantage of Free trials leaching site content and so on ...