If You promote SIC CASH on your LL You Better Watch

[FTS]

Originally posted by deleuze
And what's their perspective? We need to make some money to fund our new executive stats system so let's go on a witch hunt? Face it, they're lying scumbags who can only stay in business by canning webmasters who don't provide them x amount of profit. The fact that they have to make up lies and accuse innocent people of fraud to do this is pathetic. I'm sure plateman only sent 10 real hits since October and of course no one was on to him because of all the hitbot traffic he was also sending. Total bullshit.

i agree it sucks, but if they are losing money on something if i were them, i'd close the account also (after paying the money owed), plateman doesnt strike me as the scamming type either..

[deleuze]

Originally posted by FTS
i agree it sucks, but if they are losing money on something if i were them, i'd close the account also (after paying the money owed),

Eventually you wouldn't have any webmasters left because every webmaster goes through a period where the joins they send aren't going to yield the sponsor a profit. Just about all PPS programs look at the overall numbers over the long run to determine the program's profitibilty. One webmaster might only return 80% but another will return 150%. Once you start canning anyone under 100% then you have no right to call yourself a PPS program. SICCash is not PPS - it is a crappy revshare program as they take no losses on individual webmasters and payout no bonuses to well performing webmasters. A real revshare program takes no losses and pays out bonuses. A real PPS takes losses but doesn't pay out bonuses. Personally I was canned from SICCash because of a bad couple of months based on a very small sample of signups. Of course the previous 3 years based on a much greater number of signups were not taken into consideration. . . maybe they're just complete morons.

[Jim]

Holy Shit, this is starting to get out of hand. For Greg to phony up the stats that I saw would be next to impossible. It's $55 for Christ's sake.

Nobody wins or gains anything from this thread. I would suspect future sponsors will look at Plateman's stats much more closely because of this...right or wrong. $55 is nothing...let it go. If you are that desperate for the $55, give me your paypal or epassporte and I will send it to you.

And Greg, Xenu Link Sleuth is not a hitbot. You guys should probably fix that in whatever software you are using. Of course all the hits from that software came mostly from one ip address.

Bottom line is, I don't believe anybody did anything wrong. If I ran the program, I would have terminated the account. If I was Plateman, I would be pissed off but I would move on.

This is really going nowhere.

[plateman]

I am not a cheat and I may have carried this a little to far but if you lost 55.00 in the seat of your truck would you unbolt it to find it ??

And also I dont make as much money doing this as others - this is only my beginning 2nd year.. So I need my money that is owed to me..

And greg I am gonna ask one more time nicely send my check it is only right..

[gregtx]

account.. I edited his name and personal info b/c i'm being nice


this is January traffic.. and why I took extra time to research the account.. traffic look odd to anyone???


so I pulled Oct traffic... doesn't look too odd..



until I looked at each induvidual signup... which all of these are random examples of... damn.. doesn't everyone wish they had 1:1 conversions!!!! so then we did reverse dns lookup and tracked where all hits were originating from.. the ips.. etc .. i will not post..










Judge for yourself...

[plateman]

greg look dude I pulled all your links on dec 3 of 2004 how hits showed in jan of 2005 is you problem to figure out..

and I have proof of it..

[Greenguy]

There's a lot of unique situations in this case that have been touched on, but not clearly addressed all at once, so let me see if I can exaplain them.

Jim asked Greg to contact him & he showed Jim Plateman's stats within 10 minutes - he's what SIC Cash (and Jim) saw:

90% of the traffic was from the Link Bot (NOT a Hit Bot, but a link checking program that most Link List owners use)
The Link Bot was being run VERY often - sometimes 15-20 times a day.
Each time the Link Bot ran, each link that Plateman had up got a "hit"
Now, if you take away the hits that the Link Bot sent, he was converting better than 1:2
If you look at the IP's of the signups that he got, they were all very similar & all started with the same Class (like 123.45.XX.XXX)

Based on this, if I was a sponsor, I would have instantly suspected fraud.

Now, knowing Plateman as I do, I probably would have contacted him, but I'm sure SIC Cash sees a lot of this type of thing & is probably sick of dealing with webmasters on the other end.

*****

Plateman - you need to MOVE ON! I know you're hurt about being called a cheat - I've been there myself a couple of times. I think you deserve the $55 and if it was my program, I would have sent it to you just to shut you up

Long story short - write if off as a loss, pull the links & get back to work.

Hell, I bet you could've made the $55 back by building sites & working on the Link Site instead of investing all this time into things

[plateman]

those wern't the stats I remember when I got the sales I would have thought something was wrong also..

and jim 55.00 to and 55.00 to me are two different figures..

[plateman]

Greenguy I pulled the links on dec 3 of 2004 and I told you so..

and I never ran the link bot more than 3 times a month and not at all in jan. of 2005

Now there is something very funny going on here and now I know not to trust anyone..

[Jim]

The ratio wasn't that good...I was mistaken when I talked to Greenie. But, I do see the linkbot being run a lot. Plateman, I was serious, if you really need the $55, I will send it to you. I just don't want you to hurt yourself any more than you have.

[Jim]

Originally posted by plateman

Now there is something very funny going on here and now I know not to trust anyone..

I can't see anything funny going on. Programs don't screw people out of that little bit of money unless they truly believe they are being cheated. There really is no conspiracy. I know you didn't cheat, Greenie knows you didn't cheat but...if we had no idea who you were, we would both think you did.

[RawAlex]

plateman, I agree with Jim and Greenguy on this one: MOVE ON. At this point, you are moving from "webmaster with a complaint" to "whiner". There is nothing you can add to this discussion that will suddenly make greg go "Gee, your a nice guy, here is your $55 and your account is open again". I looked at the numbers (which I suspect it unique rather than raw hits) and I would have killed your account. Everything greg has shown here supports their position.

I think you are better off distancing yourself from the whole issue and moving on. If the money is important, ask Jim for it. :-)

Alex

[plateman]

I am not a whiner I sent no bogus traffic and did nothing wrong..and do not want my account open..

Jim does not owe me 55.00 and he did not tell me on dec 3 2004 that all monies owed would be sent..

greg that runs sic cash told me that and he is never wrong ??

So I can move on and remember that SIC CASH fucked me out of 55.00 and his "word" is not worth the pixels it was typed on..

[plateman]

One more thing greg is basing some of his findings on traffic sent this month here is a example on one of there links in my admin..

now where it says reviewed is when I pulled all links and I added everyone of there links on oct. 12 2004 and pulled everyone on dec 3 2004 and I sent no traffic in jan this month - there stats are bogus and they are dropping webmasters to profit from all of the 55.00 they owe them..

Link URL: http://cumshotfrenzy.com/maintour.php/17679/142/A
Category: cumshots (pay) Link Status: Rejected Invalid
Submitted: 20:38:45 on 12 Oct 2004 Link Number: 5139
Reviewed: 13:34:16 on 3 Dec 2004 Reviewer:
Submitted by: ()
Description: 100.000 cumshot porn videos with pictures and live shows.

so can you guys tell me where the hits came from in jan. of this month when I only had a few stray banners left on my site..

[plateman]

here is a example of my fake bogus hit bot traffic at work


Member Transaction Date Amount Site
1 Initial Sale 2004-10-16 $ 4.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2004-10-21 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2004-11-20 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2004-12-20 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Rebill 2005-01-19 $ 19.00 Jill Kelly's Official Site
Next Scheduled Rebill 2005-02-18 - Jill Kelly's Official Site

and I think I remember the day of the sale I had 3 or 4 uniques and that sale was 4 days after I added sic cash links and look that surfer came from my fake traffic LL and my fake bogus traffic rebilled 4 times it must be magic..

And really greg I am sorry I didnt tell you to shove that 55.00 so far up your ASS THAT YOUR TEETH WOULD TURN GREEN

[Alphawolf]

So, the gist is that plateman's conversion ratio is far too good to be considered within normal range?

I could see if it was the same credit card being used or something, but if plateman is still posting why not post the stats greg sent to Jim.

You guys dont' delete posts- but it's sorta pointless to keep plateman's posts out in public while the other evidence is all private IMO.

[LB]

Wow ... I sometimes have stats like that.

Glad I dont use siccash.

[MrYum]

Ya know...this is one of those discussions I would normally avoid like the plague...there are not going to be any winners here...that much is clear.

Plateman...you don't know me...but I've seen your posts on the board...you seem like a straight up guy. I have NO doubt you're not a cheat. However, sometimes shit happens...these are computers...sometimes data gets sideways. And I can easily see how Greg would interpret those stats as problematic.

For whatever the reason, somewhere computer gremlins sent them stats that look funky...and they reacted. Right or wrong doesn't even matter anymore...

You're getting VERY good advice from Jim, Greenie and others...you have got to move on. At this point, you're doing yourself more harm than good...you've got to see that!

Reputation is EVERYTHING in this biz. Your BEST option at this point is to let it be known that you disagree...that you're NOT a cheat (think you've already covered this part...lol). Then, FORGET about it! All you're doing now is making yourself look bad to other sponsors...who may decide they don't want to risk doing business with you.

This is ONLY about $55. Yes, it's the principle of the thing...don't let the principle bite you in the ass buddy...please...move on

Hell man, I've been at this for about 4 years now. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least $1500 I've been stiffed out of. Sucks...you bet, but ya gotta move on...

If the $55 is that important...take Jim up on his very generous offer Which by the way...very fuckin cool of you to offer Jim

Seriously Plateman...do yourself a favor here...please...for your own sake...let this one go...

[plateman]

I agree with you Mr Yum and I am gonna move on, I cant keep posting about this, and it will all come out in the wash..

[MrYum]

That's great Plateman...so glad to hear it

And just for you...well, and cuz I happen to think these little suckers are just too damn cute!

Take care man...tomorrow will be a better day!

[grzepa]

I feel your pain plateman, we all here know that you're not a cheater but as some guys here said $55 isnt worth the hassle and heart attack;-)

[plateman]

I just want to say again that everything that greg said about me and my traffic was not true the fact is my traffic was so good in oct. and part of nov. that I can brag about it and when you have 2 people type in a phrase they will join a pay site I seen it happen to many months now and I wish I had oct. server stats, I changed servers and can't pull it up but I will give a example of the search strings that people found my site with and joined a pay site also I went through all my sponsors and looked at the hits and not one looks fishy.. And another fact I only ran my link checker 3 or 4 times and not at all this month.. I had in nov 9 days of new server stats 248 search strings here is a few examples because greg asked what terms would pull up my site

1 56 12.93% xxx porn
2 23 5.31% sausage pizza porn movie
3 18 4.16% voyeur ladies dressing room xxx
4 8 1.85% lingerie porn
5 8 1.85% porn xxx
6 6 1.39% xxx lingerie
7 5 1.15% new porn sites
8 5 1.15% porno plenty xxx links
9 4 0.92% jays free xxx porno
10 4 0.92% panty porn
11 4 0.92% plenty
12 4 0.92% porn links
13 4 0.92% porn stars
14 3 0.69% Thonged celebs
15 3 0.69% XXX Movie Vault
16 3 0.69% hottest brunettes
17 3 0.69% jays xxx porn links
18 3 0.69% pornoplentyxxxlinks
19 3 0.69% pornoplentyxxxlinks.com
20 3 0.69% teen pink bits xxx free
21 3 0.69% xxx porn hairy
22 2 0.46% XXX porn
23 2 0.46% black mans cock with white girl domain:pornoplentyxxxlinks.com
24 2 0.46% carmen Hayes Big tits
25 2 0.46% completely Kayla
26 2 0.46% dora meszaros stockings
27 2 0.46% electronically-sign tgp -htm -html -php -cgi -shtml
28 2 0.46% free no membership no money no credit card xxx webcams
29 2 0.46% free xxx
30 2 0.46% ghetto hoochies
31 2 0.46% jays xxx links
32 2 0.46% mature babes naked xxx
33 2 0.46% monstercock reality
34 2 0.46% nylon penty sex
35 2 0.46% oral porn free
36 2 0.46% paris hilton thonged
37 2 0.46% pay porn sites
38 2 0.46% porn-o
39 2 0.46% reality porn XXX
40 2 0.46% reality xxx
41 2 0.46% related:www.porno4women.com/
42 2 0.46% satin porn
43 2 0.46% shocking parties bachelorette
44 2 0.46% short chicks xxx porn
45 2 0.46% slip and stocking teen porn

Look at #37 those people most often have a hard cock and a credit card out - I see these strings and check sponsor stats and I see 1 unique and one sale almost always..

a whole dec. search strings and mind you I lost the really good traffic the end of oct. 824 search strings and all sales dropped in this month


Top 100 of 824 Total Search Strings

# Hits Search String

1 55 4.01% lingerie porn
2 44 3.21% xxx porn
3 22 1.60% porn xxx
4 21 1.53% xxx lingerie
5 13 0.95% cora ass traffic gallery
6 12 0.87% thonged celebrities
7 10 0.73% jays xxx links
8 10 0.73% secretary porn
9 9 0.66% Lingerie Porn Movies
10 9 0.66% gothic sex movies
11 9 0.66% reality xxx
12 9 0.66% shocking parties toga
13 9 0.66% xxx links
14 8 0.58% Black lover-asian sluts
15 8 0.58% lingerie xxx
16 8 0.58% plenty of porn
17 8 0.58% reality porn
18 8 0.58% satin porn
19 7 0.51% adult ezines
20 7 0.51% poor mans porn
21 7 0.51% porn o
22 7 0.51% sausage pizza porn movie
23 6 0.44% boobs movies
24 6 0.44% gangbang
25 6 0.44% mature adult housewives plumbers would like to fuck video
26 6 0.44% porn lingerie
27 6 0.44% pornoplentyxxxlinks
28 5 0.36% Sinful secretaries
29 5 0.36% anal destruction brook
30 5 0.36% balloon porn
31 5 0.36% chloe jones Staircase Strip
32 5 0.36% drunk party
33 5 0.36% gauge movie gallery
34 5 0.36% mans boys penes movie
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36 5 0.36% porn links
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38 5 0.36% redhead boots cigars
39 4 0.29% BOOBS
40 4 0.29% Hungarian tits
41 4 0.29% SATIN PORN
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43 4 0.29% free porn links
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48 4 0.29% nicest boobs
49 4 0.29% plenty
50 4 0.29% podpakova
51 4 0.29% seniors pornsites
52 4 0.29% shocking parties bachelorette
53 4 0.29% streaming xxx lingerie
54 4 0.29% ten sex loving
55 4 0.29% titties 4free
56 4 0.29% watersport couple
57 4 0.29% xxx porn links
58 4 0.29% xxx reality porn
59 3 0.22% Vampire Porn
60 3 0.22% XXX PORN
61 3 0.22% amber's ass
62 3 0.22% charisma carpenter thonged
63 3 0.22% clubtera
64 3 0.22% desi porn 3 days trial offer
65 3 0.22% dora meszaros
66 3 0.22% dora meszaros galleries
67 3 0.22% drunk babes
68 3 0.22% foxy Angel
69 3 0.22% foxy angel gallery
70 3 0.22% free large boobs
71 3 0.22% free xxx
72 3 0.22% free xxx porn sites
73 3 0.22% free xxx reality
74 3 0.22% granny sucking a cock
75 3 0.22% hardcore panty movies
76 3 0.22% hotties wearing sexy clothes
77 3 0.22% jordan capri free trailer
78 3 0.22% katsumi free video samples
79 3 0.22% porn-o
80 3 0.22% pussyassmouth
81 3 0.22% sexy bbw
82 3 0.22% shocking parties
83 3 0.22% small tit porn
84 3 0.22% spicy salsa sluts
85 3 0.22% tiffany teen xxx
86 3 0.22% troubled sluts
87 3 0.22% trusted hot dirty pay porn
88 3 0.22% unreal penetrations
89 3 0.22% vaginalcumshot
90 3 0.22% xxx
91 3 0.22% xxx reality
92 2 0.15% 10 dollars huge cocks
93 2 0.15% Black ass sites
94 2 0.15% DRUNK ORGIES PARTIES STRIPPER PICTURES
95 2 0.15% Jays XXX

Look at #92 I sold a big cock site that is 10.00 to join with only 2 uniques and both signed up..

Now google really is starting to like me and yahoo must be mad about something..

this months search strings and sales were good this month and this only some se traffic


Top 100 of 722 Total Search Strings

# Hits Search String

1 24 2.28% vampire porn gallery
2 15 1.43% xxx porn
3 11 1.05% large women porn
4 10 0.95% xxx
5 9 0.86% petite hotties
6 9 0.86% shocking parties bachelorette
7 8 0.76% free gothic porn
8 7 0.67% to-xxx
9 6 0.57% jays xxx movie links
10 6 0.57% large hardcore women
11 6 0.57% naughty secretaries
12 6 0.57% pornoplentyxxxlinks
13 6 0.57% wild pary girls
14 5 0.48% adult ezines
15 5 0.48% jays xxx links
16 5 0.48% naughty office zara
17 5 0.48% porn xxx
18 5 0.48% shocking parties
19 5 0.48% teen hosebags
20 4 0.38% 3 day free trial desi babes
21 4 0.38% dora meszaros
22 4 0.38% foxy angel
23 4 0.38% hentai sites 4.95
24 4 0.38% lestai
25 4 0.38% pornoplenty
26 4 0.38% reality porn links
27 4 0.38% related:www.jays-xxx-links.com/links/anal.html
28 4 0.38% sexy raw smut
29 4 0.38% xxx links
30 4 0.38% xxxlinks
31 4 0.38% young ripe and ready brooke
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35 3 0.29% balloon porn
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40 3 0.29% free downable porn movies
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43 3 0.29% free xxx porn links
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45 3 0.29% lestai sex movies
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50 3 0.29% porn o plenty
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52 3 0.29% reality xxx porn
53 3 0.29% shocking parties poker
54 3 0.29% shocking parties toga
55 3 0.29% slip satin silk porn
56 3 0.29% vampire porn
57 3 0.29% wet college coeds
58 3 0.29% wrestling women's latex movie
59 3 0.29% xxx reality
60 3 0.29% xxx reality links
61 2 0.19% (Brady Didder galleries)
62 2 0.19% Adore Anjali
63 2 0.19% Black honey Carmen Hayes movie clips
64 2 0.19% Free Downable Porn Movies
65 2 0.19% Nautica Thorn Sample Clip
66 2 0.19% Nautica Thorn pictures
67 2 0.19% Nikki Facial MAG
68 2 0.19% PORN O PLENTY
69 2 0.19% Porn O' Plenty Jacynda
70 2 0.19% Raven Riley Cock craving
71 2 0.19% Shocking Parties Toga
72 2 0.19% WIFE CAUGHT MASTERBATING ON SOFA
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74 2 0.19% anjali porn
75 2 0.19% ariana model
76 2 0.19% ashley simpson thong slips
77 2 0.19% bachelorette drunk party tgp
78 2 0.19% booty talk 7 black hardcore big ass ghetto
79 2 0.19% carmen hayes free vids
80 2 0.19% carmen hayes sample movies
81 2 0.19% chloe dior lesbian tgp
82 2 0.19% college pary pron
83 2 0.19% comic lestai
84 2 0.19% cora ass traffic
85 2 0.19% cute cheerleaders
86 2 0.19% drunk party videos
87 2 0.19% drunk women strippers
88 2 0.19% free black downable porn movies
89 2 0.19% free black links
90 2 0.19% free petite gallery
91 2 0.19% free porn links
92 2 0.19% free sex penty
93 2 0.19% free xxx links
94 2 0.19% free xxx porn
95 2 0.19% girls stuffing inflatable dildo
96 2 0.19% gothic porn galleries
97 2 0.19% hens night sluts fuck strippers in public places
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99 2 0.19% housewives sucking strippers
100 2 0.19% interracial frenzy

Look at 20 and 23 - 2 people out of 4 signed up for anime sites for 2 different sponsors and 23 I didnt look for a sale there
and mind you greg oct 04 is when I had the most and best traffic and had over 2000 search terms from yahoo and almost every page of my site was on the first page of the serps for targeted terms and when I added your links and they were on top, and to add that I was not getting that much traffic then and all my other traffic went to the free links I have..

So greg this is how you can have those 1 to 1 sign up ratios and NO one can control what ip people will use a credit card for porn or if there are 5 in one state..

..

[plateman]

And you say I wanted to cash out and steal your money - Not true I read other threads on your program and a webmaster said your sites dont retain, so why would I want to stay on rev-share and not make hardly anything when I can send my LL traffic to a PPS program and make 25 or 35 ver. 2.95

And why did I post personal se terms - for any other sponsors that question my good converting traffic..

And also It kills me to say I am sorry to insult you with bad name calling in "public"

But I can honestly say I sent you NO bogus sign ups or traffic and your stats should filter out "link checkers"

Also a FYI I dropped a sponsor for excessive exit consoles and installs that I was making sales from in the start of last summer, and I checked today and seen 50 some hits for this month and like mr. yum said shit happens

[Netpiddler]

That's a tough break plateman... When you are still making your way in the biz every penny counts - but it isn't always about the money (if it is you will have a hard time indeed).

There is always another sponsor just as there are always other webmasters.

ARS accused me of fraud a couple years ago when my conversions started hovering around 1:12.

I sent them an email which basically said "Fine - your loss"... It took me less than 15 minutes to find another sponsor which not only never bitched about my great conversions - they gave me a job.

ARS lost out on tens of thousands of dollars in sales from me since that time. No big deal to them - they always have more webmasters. No big deal to me - there is always another sponsor.

This business is all about leveraging your time and effort and others' time and effort. A lot of wasted energy has went into this thread, so I hope it teaches someone out there something.

- Netpiddler

[lucid1]

looking at stats remote... last year (2004) my ratio with SIC cash was 1:1330 (unique) while my average from the same type of traffic (pretty much), was 1:326. Your not missing anything by moving on HOWEVER, if you have someone to bitch at about injustice, I would reccommend you do it!

Anyone remember DMR? Web800? Come 2k and they just sorta left... I havent owned a paysite since... my wife and I split up for a year after that, it was fucking horrible, but there wasnt anyone to bitch at about it... well that said, it really doesnt matter in the long run, you could of used the time you used here and made $55 doing something. Hell you could of picked up cans and sold em in for $55 by now...

2nd post ever! hah...