Index doorway trick (or some magic :)

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Sean416

No, because most larger LLs don't allow you to go back in folders or switch folders. They want the entire site in one folder. The only viable option to get listed on most LLs would be to make completely different pages and just link to the images in the root freesite folder. But that would be heavy dupe content and thus not worth it to submit to smaller LLs at all. More people will just end up submitting to the biggest 15 or whatever LLs. So your rule rule, IMO, is alienating you. That's why I decided to make my post.

who for example?
I dont know any...
I d rather say that many reject warning.html
I see that you dont submit sites

Originally Posted by Sean416

I made those recips in april of 2004. I hadnt even heard of SortLinks so don't flatter yourself. My new recips were made in February 2005 when I completely redesigned my site.

I ve made em earlier...besides color scheme and <div align center> instead of just <td align=center>
made me think so.
ok. nevermind.

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Here's my opinion if ya want it
Bill and Sean are both correct - it doesnt make a fuck how you do the mirrors - if Google was really looking that closely it would be a big deal - but they arent. Second, I have submitted free sites for years where I use the index.htm and the index.html in the same folder - sometimes the .htm version gets a good listing a year later sometimes its the root and sometimes its the warning.htm - but even more important and this seems to be lost these days among free site submitters - the site you want to get into Google and other SEs is a completely different page than what the LLs will allow - you would want to get something into the SEs thats a little more aggressive in my opinion.

I guess what it boils down to is that most people are putting way too much weight on worrying about SEs and how they react to little 4 page free sites built in a half an hour - thats really not the purpose - the free sites are for LLs. More important - if a LL wont accept sites without their recip being on an index.html page - Id start submitting somewhere else as they really dont understand SEs and that might hurt you in the long run.

I respect you Linkster, But It I should say free sites were for LLs in the past, now they are for SE and you know it!
and LLs for se too.Otherwise please tell me the reason LLs owners began to ask NICHED text links instead of pictures and just link to index page of LL!

[Linkster]

Sortlinks - I will respectfully disagree - the free sites that get submitted to LLs (again my opinion) should NOT be the ones that you are trying to get into the SEs - although in the long run some will fall in there - I think everyone is missing the point with trying so hard to get both LLs and their free sites listed in SEs based on recips and the way the free site is made.
I will restate - the submitted free sites should be for making money off the LLs traffic/surfers - the copy that is different enough with more aggressive marketing and submitted to DMOZ etc to get into the SEs should only have recips to toplists and thats about it. You will make a lot more money in the long run and I can (based on years of experience in SEs) state with no doubts - its a very rough road to try to worry about the free site index pages and their folders/recips etc - thats why I went to not using the category recips and I havent lost one single position in Google in the year since I dropped the cat recips. There are a lot more important things for a LL owner to do that will get them positioning in the SEs than worry about what the recip says.

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Sortlinks - I will respectfully disagree - the free sites that get submitted to LLs (again my opinion) should NOT be the ones that you are trying to get into the SEs - although in the long run some will fall in there - I think everyone is missing the point with trying so hard to get both LLs and their free sites listed in SEs based on recips and the way the free site is made.
I will restate - the submitted free sites should be for making money off the LLs traffic/surfers - the copy that is different enough with more aggressive marketing and submitted to DMOZ etc to get into the SEs should only have recips to toplists and thats about it. You will make a lot more money in the long run and I can (based on years of experience in SEs) state with no doubts - its a very rough road to try to worry about the free site index pages and their folders/recips etc - thats why I went to not using the category recips and I havent lost one single position in Google in the year since I dropped the cat recips. There are a lot more important things for a LL owner to do that will get them positioning in the SEs than worry about what the recip says.

Thats interesting - so can you submit each freesite you make even if they are on the same domain to DMOZ??

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by neveremail

Thats interesting - so can you submit each freesite you make even if they are on the same domain to DMOZ??

Definitely - as long as they are in separate subdirectories - you can have as many as you like in the free sites and galleries areas of DMOZ - I have some domains that have 50 free sites on them and all listed (and no Im not an editor or even know one - well at least I dont take advantage of my friendship with them)

[Jeka]

Good thread!
I agree with Bill about the number of recip links, it wouldn't hurt no one if there were more recips allowed on the index page.
In my opinion it's also worth it to use different text on every index copy to decrease the chances getting a double content penalty but on the other hand not all search engines have such strict rules like google has about the dc penalty. Yahoo for example lists at least 2-3 copy pages of almost all my submitted sites,... one gets #5 and one #7 listing for example.

But I also agree with Linkster, free sites, just like picture and movie galleries (and in my opinion even picture and movieposts) should be optimized for direct selling to the linklist traffic and not put the weight of importance to seo.
It makes a lot more sense to optimize special sites like hubs, blogs, niche pages for seo and get those sites listed than trying to get some lower listings for small keywords with free sites or galleries.

[SortLinks]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Sortlinks - I will respectfully disagree - the free sites that get submitted to LLs (again my opinion) should NOT be the ones that you are trying to get into the SEs - although in the long run some will fall in there - I think everyone is missing the point with trying so hard to get both LLs and their free sites listed in SEs based on recips and the way the free site is made.
I will restate - the submitted free sites should be for making money off the LLs traffic/surfers - the copy that is different enough with more aggressive marketing and submitted to DMOZ etc to get into the SEs should only have recips to toplists and thats about it. You will make a lot more money in the long run and I can (based on years of experience in SEs) state with no doubts - its a very rough road to try to worry about the free site index pages and their folders/recips etc - thats why I went to not using the category recips and I havent lost one single position in Google in the year since I dropped the cat recips. There are a lot more important things for a LL owner to do that will get them positioning in the SEs than worry about what the recip says.

Thats perfect!
Now I agree with you on the above...
how about categories? Do you promote em via category trades only?

Surprised that you have managed it with only text recip.. (btw I do it with NON TEEN LLS in my sig too
Congrats!

upon my ex and the experience of 3 of friends who submit free sites...they make sales from SE traffic of free sites 4 month of age.
I completly agree that in the long run it is..
But I always live to have SE optimised free sites, to maintain better positons for our LLs (and free sites) by having better backlinks (As I noticed sites with s1/fn/ live much longer than s1/warning.html at least now with present google filters) and niched recips.
Its hard times for "white optimisation" guys like we are

its goona be an interesting thread for all free sites submites...we should rename it

site1/folder[n]/ VS s1/warn[n].html... lol

guys feel free to post your opinion...
and
THANK you so much Linkster!!
You gave us hope that things are not so bad at all

[neveremail]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Definitely - as long as they are in separate subdirectories - you can have as many as you like in the free sites and galleries areas of DMOZ - I have some domains that have 50 free sites on them and all listed (and no Im not an editor or even know one - well at least I dont take advantage of my friendship with them)

Thanks thats a good tip - I will keep doing that from now on
You can also post that more aggressively advertised freesite designed for SE surfers on no recip forums and anywhere else you can think of.

[SortLinks]

Sure nevermail..thats how I did with some of mine
but Ive submitted s1/index.htm (no recips there)