You know those "create your own gallery" scripts that are inside affiliate programs?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

I am awake now and think I have it.

1. I write about puking - http://greenguysboard.com/board/showthread.php?t=27910

2. Jim comments about it in the newsletter

3. IFRvideo picks the wrong thread to make comments about the newletter

Bingo. We have a winner!

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

Last edited by Chop Smith : Today at 03:08 PM. Reason: Trev, change you avatar

Yes sir. I'll get right on that.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Far-L

How do you all feel about only having soft content available? We are very sketchy about hard core that is outside a pass protected area but thinking of relaxing a bit because of the recent 2257 injunction.

Soft content doesn't work for me

[SexycityBrian]

I wrote one a while back, pick from templates and images it would make the pages add recipts for posting to tgps and even had a tgp post assistant script to help submit the galleries. Or you could just download it and do what you wanted with it. I didnt like it so we dont even offer it to webmasters to use.

SexyCityBrian

[Greenguy]

I'm lost too, but let me take a stab at it

Originally Posted by IFRvideo

GG - aren't all these forums prefab, with the same features and smiles and options. Like every one?

Yes, and we (and most other forums) tweak & customize things. Not quite sure how that fits into this thread, which is about TGP Gallery generating scripts & their usefulness.

Originally Posted by IFRvideo

Also GG - in the letter you said:

"But, when you deal with both webmasters and surfers, there is nothing wrong with sending two separate Newsletters. Just, never mix the two."

"Never?" Why - is it a sin? Are you saying webmasters never buy adult content to review? Or that consumer might not want to try out doing affiliate programs? On actual sites aren't there webmaster and consumer links on main and secondary pages together? Will people leave if they see that?

That was Jim's comments (as pointed out already) but I will say that I agree 100% with him. You're an idiot if you send newsletters that surfers would be interested in to webmasters & vice versa. If a webmaster wanted surfer themed newsletters, I think they'd probably sign up for them. We ruin a webmaster board & thus, our newsletters cover areas of interest to our webmasters as it pertains to the board & the business.

Originally Posted by IFRvideo

Also, I just checked 15 links from your newsletter, and they used pre-made galleries. All your sponsors recommend them.

As far as copy goes here's a selection from two random clicks on your homepage. I'm not saying anything about these producer's content...

"But, as the electricity rises and the ropes tighten this little whore quickly realizes that she can't escape, can't stop the orgasms, and can't control the electricity."

"Dana takes punishment while hanging from her wrist and balancing on a block of wood. She is then led around like a dog and put in a cage where she must suck cock and get fucked. Finally. she is tied on top of the cage and fucked in the pussy and ass by Chris. Charming."

Again, I'm sure their content is good. But what's the point, these weekly newsletters seem to send conflicting information.

Again, I agree with you, but that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (which I don't think was even in the newsletter today)

Originally Posted by IFRvideo

Lastly, do you feel the design of the our green guy list-o-rama is effective? Is it for surfers or webmasters?

If you take the word "our" out of there & correct the title of my site, that questions almost makes sense

I'll assume that's what you meant & say that the design of my personal site that is for surfers to surfer & webmasters to submit to has pretty much been the same since I went to categorized links back in 97 )with the exception of 1 overhaul of the main page) so yes, I think it is effective for surfers to surf & webmasters to submit to, since it's still my main source of income

[IFRvideo]

Hi GreenGuy.

Thanks for the reply, detailed - appreciate it.

And I like your photo as well, you remind me of this guitarist from this band Aiwass that used be around NYC... you look just like him.

I knew you weren't a one eyed monster!

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Toby

I get better conversions using limited harcore content in my galleries, hint at it, maybe one or two pics, let the surfer know that it's there, but not a whole gallery of pics with nothing but dicks filling wholes.

I agree with this approach - and making the text hardcore and accurate for what is to follow.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Surfn

Soft content doesn't work for me

I am cool with a limited supply of hard - but I don't like the idea of giving away the money shots - wdyt?

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Allfetish - wouldn't it just be easier (and take about the same amount of time) to do that by hand on your local machine?

Pretty much, Greenguy. The only thing would be is that it makes it easier for people starting out. Those who do not have templates, recip blocks, a database of where to submit, etc.

Also I could forsee something nifty whereby it could take your preferences and when new free content is available, just go ahead and generate the gallery for you.

Er, okay, that would be a little ridiculous! Nevermind. |badidea|

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I think we can incorporate these features and more innovations that will be make the webmasters efforts less burdonsome and more efficient. We will succeed or may lightning strike me down while i am being eaten by a shark after being tortured by the haitian voodoo mafia and thrown in the sea.

I will say this. That you come here, ask us, and actually listen to what we say and consider it goes in your favor. I can really appreciate that concept as I'm sure others can as well.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

I will say this. That you come here, ask us, and actually listen to what we say and consider it goes in your favor. I can really appreciate that concept as I'm sure others can as well.

Thanks! That is a huge compliment. This board really gives great, as in professional and informative, feedback and I would be a complete fool not to heed the advice of both the old-timers and the noobs here.

[Surfn]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I am cool with a limited supply of hard - but I don't like the idea of giving away the money shots - wdyt?

No need for all hardcore. Take a facial set for example 2-3 of the girl getting naked 2-3 of the guy fondling her 5 of her sucking him 5 of her getting her face slightly splattered and looking like she needs more.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Surfing

No need for all hardcore. Take a facial set for example 2-3 of the girl getting naked 2-3 of the guy fondling her 5 of her sucking him 5 of her getting her face slightly splattered and looking like she needs more.

Yeah, some hardcore should be in the set. It is awful difficult to connect the dots for the surfer of her full clothed, and she is supposed to be doing a double anal.

A lot of sponsors chopped their content back to the first bit only, and that seems to be what is in most. And I'm still under the impression that if you use a picture from a set, you have to do the 2257 for the full set(s).

Originally Posted by gobgook2

I'd love to see some real FHG stats. I'm betting that <= 5% of program affiliates (the top 5%, including all the high traffic TGP owners) are the only ones really using FGH to any real gain.

Funny, some people are trying to tell a major sponsor that right now.

[Far-L]

Do you want to see the stats from the sponsors own traffic or see what the top affiliates are doing? Or both? And should what stats in particular? Only fhg traffic or any type of traffic? And which stats particularly?

I like the idea of surfers rating the content though so webmasters can see what performs well.

We were thinking of posting the top ten performers but keeping the account names confidential would seem less believable and posting the names might piss off webmasters. What do you all think?

[Greenguy]

As an affiliate, I'd be pissed if any actual numbers or dollar amounts were posted, but I'd be fine with you letting other affiliates know what my conversion ratios are (since I do that anyway - lol)

[Chop Smith]

I can say tha Far-L is bending over backwards to have a good affiliate program. IMO, posting dollar amounts would be like my bank telling the public how far in overdraft I am.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I am cool with a limited supply of hard - but I don't like the idea of giving away the money shots - wdyt?

I agree. But that were the good old times, I´m afraid. I often get galleries rejected when it - the moneyshot - is missing. So it´s a difficulty to keep the moneyshots secret.

If all of us would be less generous with giving out that content, signups would rise, I think. After all, we sell porn not give it away.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

As an affiliate, I'd be pissed if any actual numbers or dollar amounts were posted, but I'd be fine with you letting other affiliates know what my conversion ratios are (since I do that anyway - lol)

That´s right. earned amounts and traffic stats are not public matter. If you want me to know it, you´ll tell me. But conversion ratios are interesting, at least if they aren´t second or whatnot page clicks. To compare it´s most important for me to get information about how many clicks I sent to a program and where I sent it from.

So most sponsor stats suck in my opinion, because it´s a problem to get a comparable base to other sponsors.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Chop Smith

I can say tha Far-L is bending over backwards to have a good affiliate program. IMO, posting dollar amounts would be like my bank telling the public how far in overdraft I am.

Good point - won't be posting that info!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by frankthetank

I agree. But that were the good old times, I´m afraid. I often get galleries rejected when it - the moneyshot - is missing. So it´s a difficulty to keep the moneyshots secret...

If it's for a cumshot specific site/page/category then yes, but WTF? Some reviewers need to lighten up a bit

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

If it's for a cumshot specific site/page/category then yes, but WTF? Some reviewers need to lighten up a bit

Hehe, cumshots for a cumshot gallery are pretty OK, aren´t they? But some reviewers shouldn´t be reviewers. I ignore silly rejections as long as the ratio of listed galleries is OK. Sometimes I have to complain, especially if a reviewer obviously didn´t review anything

[Papa]

Ain't using them
Either i make some or use their FHG's
That's when i'm playing around with the tgp traffic thingo

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by frankthetank

That´s right. earned amounts and traffic stats are not public matter. If you want me to know it, you´ll tell me. But conversion ratios are interesting, at least if they aren´t second or whatnot page clicks. To compare it´s most important for me to get information about how many clicks I sent to a program and where I sent it from.

So most sponsor stats suck in my opinion, because it´s a problem to get a comparable base to other sponsors.

I agree - for example, comparing review sites with tgps is definitely apples and oranges - the conversion ratios only hint at what is going on... but maybe there is another way to go about it.

I like the idea of having monthly prizes to top converting, top earning, most traffic, etc. but to me a contest is only good if it is very clear that it is fair and auditable. I have seen so many years of rigged contests in this biz and i am sure many others hold the same skepticism. In everything we do, our actions need to be fully accountable and our methods open to review.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I agree - for example, comparing review sites with tgps is definitely apples and oranges - the conversion ratios only hint at what is going on... but maybe there is another way to go about it.

I like the idea of having monthly prizes to top converting, top earning, most traffic, etc. but to me a contest is only good if it is very clear that it is fair and auditable. I have seen so many years of rigged contests in this biz and i am sure many others hold the same skepticism. In everything we do, our actions need to be fully accountable and our methods open to review.

Contests are a nice idea. But first of all I prefer sponsors with clear stats (earned and already paid amount), mebers area access for building galleries and freesites and quick support. I hate it if there are no or bullshit replies from sponsor reps. Of course I don´t want to discuss the weather forecast with the support, but real problems should get an answer.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by frankthetank

Contests are a nice idea. But first of all I prefer sponsors with clear stats (earned and already paid amount), mebers area access for building galleries and freesites and quick support. I hate it if there are no or bullshit replies from sponsor reps. Of course I don´t want to discuss the weather forecast with the support, but real problems should get an answer.

So far we are getting good feedback on the stats but there is always room for improvement... We will be adding a bunch of content this week though. We don't have 24/7 support but we do have good people and have not had any complaints on that level so far. We have always been very proactive about customer experience - be it end users or webmasters - so that is one area where I am confident we are on point.

[frankthetank]

Originally Posted by Far-L

So far we are getting good feedback on the stats but there is always room for improvement... We will be adding a bunch of content this week though. We don't have 24/7 support but we do have good people and have not had any complaints on that level so far. We have always been very proactive about customer experience - be it end users or webmasters - so that is one area where I am confident we are on point.

I´m sorry if I offended your support, didn´t want to do that. I was only speaking generally about my experience with some major affiliate programs. 24/7 support isn´t necessary, of course. It´s OK if a question is answered during common business hours.

I´ll have a look at your program and maybe I can be more specific then.