Need help /raided and computers seized

[RawAlex]

domweb, the issue isn't "competition", it is the bullshit of being nailed for "real world stuff" and then coming to the online world crying. The website has been around 6 months, and is just about entirely a sales pitch for services.

That's not the business I am in.

Alex

[RawAlex]

UW: most swing establishments have trouble with various "bawdy house" laws. Many try to get around it by having parties at "private houses" and accept a fixed donation, rather than charging admission. Most also do it by having no commercial activity on premise, so no liquor sales or anything like that. While in theory sex should be open and free, once you start to charge for access to actual sex, then you are running close to or slightly over the line.

Most "public events" in the BDSM community that I am aware of impose a very strict no sex policy, and even some have agressive "no naughty bits" rules as well, making sure that none of those parts get out where people can see. (I shot some live performance stuff at a club in Montreal, very... kinky).

When I see someone playing the "donation" game, I know that they are either (a) avoiding tax, or (b) trying to be cute and avoid getting arresting for being a hooker. In the case at hand, it could in fact be both (or neither).

Alex

[Tubey]

Hmmm, does the term session mean sex or therapy or what? and is there a description of services? asking for a tribute or donation does not break any law IE thos involved with Katrina and more, but if there is a description of services then there is a problem.
As far as other things I would check the local laws...there are alot of laws still in the books that have been forgotten or just not enforced but I would imagine that if some prosecuter needed it, it would come out quick. We all have heard of stupid laws still in the books but not enforced.....right?
But get a lawyer figure it out and let us know how it turns out.........

[robwebster]

Thanks you to those of you that have supported me on this board.

After meeting with are attorney today, we have realized the seriousness of what is happening in the adult industry. Not being informed by someone who knows the law is a mistake for everyone. No one knows the extent of the new laws that exist. This is why so many different opinions exist in this thread. If there were one law that covered everything in the adult industry we would all have the exact same answer.
Today was an eye opening experience, which will help me in the future of my business. I would suggest to those of you who want to protect yourself and your businesses, to become 100% 2257 compliant, first Get a First amendment attorney, a civil rights attorney, an entertainment attorney, and possibly good criminal attorney. Together they can help you make your business as secure as possible and cover all the aspects. And also look at all risks that that goes along with an adult based company, Get real facts not second hand facts like opinions.
After what I learned today I think you all should take a hard look at your own sites and also who’s on your sites. Check all your paper work on 2257. Check you’re zoning even if you just sit behind your pc. Check your Content it is very important. Make sure if you run a tgp site, hosting company, link lists. Adult dating sites, review sites, modeling sites,
Or if you are just a sole proprietor of your websites PLEASE CHECK YOUR CONTENT. Ask your lawyer to review the content before you post it on your site.
Remember that it might not be you they want, but someone else that they are trying to gather information about.
Sometimes they have to find out what your involvement is with the other person to make their case stick. Thank god for good lawyers that can prove that your involvement was only through purchasing a product or content from someone who may have something else going on. The question of my inventory of items that were taken .I will be getting them back and now can move on with a fully compliant site. This is a very expensive business to maintain. I can tell you one thing it was not prostitution or my content, but while they were here they decided to take items that could be considered contraband It stands to reason that they would have to take it all because it was unusual.
Again thank you all for the info and help.
rob and webwoman

[RawAlex]

Furrygirl, let me say this: If you stick with "boy meets girl, boy fucks girl" porn, with 2257 documentation, then all the BS that the government throws is BS. There are a few counties where that would still be an issue, but I don't mail or send physical media to these places, so there is very little chance of an issue.

However, if you, say, wrap a camera in plastic and pee on it and sell the tape, you might want to get a lawyers advice before you send that to many, many states and counties in the US. In fact, your local community standards might not even support that. Can you buy watersports videos at your local sex shop?

Could the images of you flashing in a public park be an issue? Did you get a location release?

Can you buy menstruation videos at your local store?

If you read the history of the smut business is America, you will see that the people taking the brunt of the government's agression are the people living on the edge, taking chances, and often in fact being ahead of the obscenity curve. They can nail you for all sorts of strange and normally unimportant laws, like zoning, public health, location permits, tax rules, and so on. Please consider the recent case of Goalie Entertainment, where charge after charge was piled on until a plea agreement (that involved closing many stores) was reached.

I appreciate your efforts, if only because the government sure ain't going to look at me for obscenity. You are one of the fastest cars on the highway, don't be surprised if you get a speeding ticket.

Alex

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

You are one of the fastest cars on the highway, don't be surprised if you get a speeding ticket.

Damn, I love a good metaphor.

So rob, do you know the charges yet, or the charges they originally intending on bringing down on you? You said a lot about 2257, but then said your content wasn't an issue. Inquiring minds want to know. The fact that police would raid a pornographer's home doesn't shock me at all. It's the failure to inform you of their intent that I find disturbing. I'm just wondering if they did indeed have the legal documents necesary to perform the search.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I'm just wondering if they did indeed have the legal documents necesary to perform the search.

You'll have to check with a lawyer but I don't think it matters if they have the docs if they failed to present them to you.

[webwoman]

Alex,

I see that you have a link site with the content on it that could be questionable.. Please words of advice…. check it. …You may have overlooked them when you put up your site. As far as the comments that you made about me, my sites, and my life has not changed my opinion about you or those like you. Your posts indicate not how you feel about me but how you view the world. I’m not your first crusade and won’t be your last.
It might be a good idea to read all your post not just in this thread but in all the ones you ever written. Here and anywhere else that you post. .understand.. That it’s not my intention to put you down or to make comments about you. But to only help you because my life has disturbed you at a level that’s not normal. Before I became a webmaster my job was to care for patients who had serious issues. You have made it your job to take on others problems which does not allow you time for your own.. That’s a hard life.
Good luck Alex I mean no harm.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by webwoman

Alex,

Your posts indicate not how you feel about me but how you view the world. I’m not your first crusade and won’t be your last.
It might be a good idea to read all your post not just in this thread but in all the ones you ever written. Here and anywhere else that you post.

You need to go back through this thread and soak in how many others said things like "I agree with you Alex" or "All your points are good Alex". The man has been giving you sound advice from the beginning of this thread you have chosen to fight instead of acknowledge it for what it is. YOU are the one who was raided and YOU are the one who seems to be all but oblivious as to why your home was raided. Others have chosen to misinterpret his words and that's what you are reading. He didn't call you a whore. He doesn't think that you are an evil person for enjoying your kink. He pretty much just said that you fucked up and it's not a huge surprise that you got snagged. The man is not a prude.

As to the content that you feel is questionable ON his link list, could you be more specific? You are talking about the single most legally anal webmaster I've met. (Sorry Alex )

[furrygirl]

Oh please, Alex, as though I need some TGP owner trying to tell me about RISK.

What on earth do you know about RISK?

A TGP owner is perhaps the most removed element in the entire adult industry and has nearly no vested interest in industry issues. Half the sites online could have their owners sent to prison for transmitting images to conservative areas where sodomy is illegal, and you'd just switch sponsor programs. You just link to things, you have no actual investment in any part of the process of creating porn. You're not a model, who could be stalked or killed by a crazy fan; you're not a photographer, who could be attacked by a jealous boyfriend or have the cops come over and inspect his home because someone told someone that he also has children, even though they've never been exposed to anything adult; you're not a site owner, you don't have to worry about being prosecuted for the content you feature or worry about charge backs and script kiddies fucking with your site.

Until you have even the tiniest grasp of what it means to take *risks* as a part of the adult industry, please, stick to the things you do know something about.

As a model and performer, photographer, webmaster, business-owner, and adult novelty retailer, MY LIFE IS RISK. I live with that every single day, and I am fully aware of the implications of everything I do. I have devoted more than three years of my life to making porn that is often "risky".

Originally Posted by RawAlex

However, if you, say, wrap a camera in plastic and pee on it and sell the tape, you might want to get a lawyers advice before you send that to many, many states and counties in the US. In fact, your local community standards might not even support that. Can you buy watersports videos at your local sex shop?

Where do you get that I send people watersports tapes in the mail? I have pee videos and pictures on my site, and offered one to Emmanuelle. It's not some secret dirty thing, but thanks for expressing enough interest in me to read all of my posts and thoroughly inspect my free tour.

And yes, I can buy or rent piss videos here in Seattle, we are a city of perverts and queers. We even have an amateur porn film festival and a ton of adult-oriented clubs and events.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Could the images of you flashing in a public park be an issue? Did you get a location release?

As someone else brought up on this thread, perhaps even in response to you, you are in no place to bitch at anyone about things like location releases if you haven't seen documentation that all the porn on your TGP was shot in places where the property owner signed a contract to allow adult material to be shot there. You're grasping at straws, you might as well have found the photos in my members area where I'm standing in the middle of an empty road and accuse me of jaywalking.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Can you buy menstruation videos at your local store?

No, but I'd like to change that. If I ever make a DVD for EroticRed.com, I'll be out there the next day talking to local stores to carry it and hope they'll join me in fighting bullshit.

I understand that people like you can't understand big complicated concepts like "ethics" and "sexual freedom", since those things don't have affiliate programs with $40 PPSs. But, to people like me who do care about things other than money, sexual freedoms and ethics are incredibly important, perhaps *the most* important thing. I will continue fighting anti-menstruation hysteria, despite the fact that I know better than you do that I could well go to prison for it. And you know what? Fighting sexism and promoting health sexuality is *that* important to me. Finding a wonderful controversial way to stir debate between indie pornographers and "regular" women about our bodies and our sexuality is *that* important to me. Making porn that doesn't deny actual female experiences is *that* important to me.

But go on, keep believing that "legitimate" porn is where girls are throat-fucked until the vomit and cry, and menstruating pussy on a nude model is an abomination. I don't expect you to change your point of view.

I can't remember who said it, but there's an old quote about how attitudes never actually change about anything, and that the only way we progress as a society is as the old guard dies out. Well, say hello to little Furry Girl, the next generation of smut-peddlers, catering to the next generation of smut customers.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I appreciate your efforts, if only because the government sure ain't going to look at me for obscenity.

Which just proved my original point even more: people in your removed-from-everything situation care fuck-all about the other people in the industry or about general sexual freedoms or first amendment issues, you're simply looking out for yourself. Well, I actually take pride in my work and believe in what I'm doing on a higher level than making money, I'm not just linking to people who are taking all the risks for me.

You're like a chubby kid saying that you're thrilled that a fatter kid has moved to your school this year, so people will pick on him instead- hell, even you can pick on him, too! Some day, some of you might realize the truth in the old adage of

First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

When you get your way, and all the big bad evil people like myself are in prison, who's head do you think will be next on the block?

[webwoman]

Thank you for your continued efforts in your views on the adult industry. It could certainly use more people like you.
i'm in 100% agreement.
webwoman

[Linkster]

Ummm furrygirl - I dont think Alex meant anything like what you interpreted it as First off I dont believe he even owns a tgp - and yes he does shoot content - and as far as the "scene" and involvement with some of the most far away from center stuff - Ive always known him to be extremely accepting and never prejudging whatsoever. I guess maybe I just read his posts in a different light than you did as I believe he was just responding to the small amount of facts that were actually put out here.

Im pretty sure that Ive been around the BDSM scene and involved in everything from munches to local area clubs - to the largest play clubs and private gatherings for probably about 20 or 30 years longer than anyone that posts on this board. I can also tell you that even within that framework there are always going to be a few that decide to go a little beyond what even the "scene" community would normally involve themselves in (furrygirl - not pointed at you as I see what you do as perfectly within standard realms and not "out there" at all)
I also think that there are some political forces that arent being discussed here that are at play - the only reason I bring that up is that a member of a top national anti-obscenity group happens to be located very near where this "event" occured that was originally posted - and the day it happened was also the day that their head player was testifying in congress about their anti-porn efforts

To summarize - furrygirl - I dont think that you would have the same feelings/thoughts about Alex if you ever sat down and talked to him one-on-one - doing this on a board is tough as its hard to get the "jist" across properly I really dont think that he was "looking down his nose at anything"

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Ummm furrygirl - I dont think Alex meant anything like what you interpreted it as First off I dont believe he even owns a tgp - and yes he does shoot content - and as far as the "scene" and involvement with some of the most far away from center stuff - Ive always known him to be extremely accepting and never prejudging whatsoever. I guess maybe I just read his posts in a different light than you did as I believe he was just responding to the small amount of facts that were actually put out here.

Im pretty sure that Ive been around the BDSM scene and involved in everything from munches to local area clubs - to the largest play clubs and private gatherings for probably about 20 or 30 years longer than anyone that posts on this board. I can also tell you that even within that framework there are always going to be a few that decide to go a little beyond what even the "scene" community would normally involve themselves in (furrygirl - not pointed at you as I see what you do as perfectly within standard realms and not "out there" at all)
I also think that there are some political forces that arent being discussed here that are at play - the only reason I bring that up is that a member of a top national anti-obscenity group happens to be located very near where this "event" occured that was originally posted - and the day it happened was also the day that their head player was testifying in congress about their anti-porn efforts

To summarize - furrygirl - I dont think that you would have the same feelings/thoughts about Alex if you ever sat down and talked to him one-on-one - doing this on a board is tough as its hard to get the "jist" across properly I really dont think that he was "looking down his nose at anything"

Damn it Linkster... your fucking up my photo shoot for Vegas!

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by furrygirl

Oh please, Alex, as though I need some TGP owner trying to tell me about RISK.

What on earth do you know about RISK?

A TGP owner is perhaps the most removed element in the entire adult industry and has nearly no vested interest in industry issues. Half the sites online could have their owners sent to prison for transmitting images to conservative areas where sodomy is illegal, and you'd just switch sponsor programs. You just link to things, you have no actual investment in any part of the process of creating porn. You're not a model, who could be stalked or killed by a crazy fan; you're not a photographer, who could be attacked by a jealous boyfriend or have the cops come over and inspect his home because someone told someone that he also has children, even though they've never been exposed to anything adult; you're not a site owner, you don't have to worry about being prosecuted for the content you feature or worry about charge backs and script kiddies fucking with your site.

Until you have even the tiniest grasp of what it means to take *risks* as a part of the adult industry, please, stick to the things you do know something about.

As a model and performer, photographer, webmaster, business-owner, and adult novelty retailer, MY LIFE IS RISK. I live with that every single day, and I am fully aware of the implications of everything I do. I have devoted more than three years of my life to making porn that is often "risky".

Where do you get that I send people watersports tapes in the mail? I have pee videos and pictures on my site, and offered one to Emmanuelle. It's not some secret dirty thing, but thanks for expressing enough interest in me to read all of my posts and thoroughly inspect my free tour.

And yes, I can buy or rent piss videos here in Seattle, we are a city of perverts and queers. We even have an amateur porn film festival and a ton of adult-oriented clubs and events.

As someone else brought up on this thread, perhaps even in response to you, you are in no place to bitch at anyone about things like location releases if you haven't seen documentation that all the porn on your TGP was shot in places where the property owner signed a contract to allow adult material to be shot there. You're grasping at straws, you might as well have found the photos in my members area where I'm standing in the middle of an empty road and accuse me of jaywalking.

No, but I'd like to change that. If I ever make a DVD for EroticRed.com, I'll be out there the next day talking to local stores to carry it and hope they'll join me in fighting bullshit.

I understand that people like you can't understand big complicated concepts like "ethics" and "sexual freedom", since those things don't have affiliate programs with $40 PPSs. But, to people like me who do care about things other than money, sexual freedoms and ethics are incredibly important, perhaps *the most* important thing. I will continue fighting anti-menstruation hysteria, despite the fact that I know better than you do that I could well go to prison for it. And you know what? Fighting sexism and promoting health sexuality is *that* important to me. Finding a wonderful controversial way to stir debate between indie pornographers and "regular" women about our bodies and our sexuality is *that* important to me. Making porn that doesn't deny actual female experiences is *that* important to me.

But go on, keep believing that "legitimate" porn is where girls are throat-fucked until the vomit and cry, and menstruating pussy on a nude model is an abomination. I don't expect you to change your point of view.

I can't remember who said it, but there's an old quote about how attitudes never actually change about anything, and that the only way we progress as a society is as the old guard dies out. Well, say hello to little Furry Girl, the next generation of smut-peddlers, catering to the next generation of smut customers.

Which just proved my original point even more: people in your removed-from-everything situation care fuck-all about the other people in the industry or about general sexual freedoms or first amendment issues, you're simply looking out for yourself. Well, I actually take pride in my work and believe in what I'm doing on a higher level than making money, I'm not just linking to people who are taking all the risks for me.

You're like a chubby kid saying that you're thrilled that a fatter kid has moved to your school this year, so people will pick on him instead- hell, even you can pick on him, too! Some day, some of you might realize the truth in the old adage of



When you get your way, and all the big bad evil people like myself are in prison, who's head do you think will be next on the block?

Damn Alex... I think she just paddled your ass! Can I get pics in Vegas? But I aint paying $300!!!

[RawAlex]

Me anal? Heh-heh... I just enjoy reading legal texts and enjoy extracting the potential meanings in them. I operate my business in compliance with the laws of Canada (where I live and where my material is published from for terms of USC 18 section 2257, even if the servers are located in the US). I use entirely licensed content.

I do not list to sites that have material that I know is illegal. I use the "video store" standard to help me in this regard, as well as the reasoned and published judgements of the Canadian courts regarding adult materials. Did you know, example, that not 20 years ago most men's magazines came to Canada with black dots covering actual penetration? Did you know that our "premium" movie channels show hardcore porn up to but not including male cumshots - but will show penetration, oral, and such, and will linger on those shots?

webwoman, you got raided. You didn't know why you got raided (and you appear to be loath to tell us why, now that apparently you know), but in looking at the public face of your business, I was able to determine certain things that would certainly raise eyebrows in most communities. You didn't know why you got raided, and I put forward sound potential reasons for the police action. I also showed where the comments you made and your assertions slipped and slid around and were not complete in disclosure. Those things make it hard for anyone to follow along.

Bringing it to the board, trust me, you will get feedback. We are on page 6. That should tell you that people have an opinion on the subject of both the police action and what (and how) you make a living.

You life doesn't disturb me in the least. Would it surprise you to find out that I know where many of the dungeons are in Montreal? That I know where and what night the local fetish clubs hold their "kink nights?" - or that I am on a first name basis with one of the best makers of PVC and other fetish clothing in Montreal? While I don't participate, it doesn't mean I look down my nose at them, far from it. I appreciate their ability to openly enjoy their passions in life, no matter how far they are from the mainstream. That is never an issue.

The issues that do exist (and they are all aware of it) is when you move from amateur to professional, you take a risk of running afoul of sex laws because for legal purposes, sex and BDSM are often linked. They know and understand that to pursue their chosen lifestyle on a paying basis is to run hard and close to those acceptable limits. They, as a result, work carefully and not in the public eye. The dungeons in Montreal are for the most part are in commercial lofts and similar non-residential areas to avoid the types of problems that can occur when you mix the lifestyle and the "straight world".

Based on that google map, it would appear that you are very much on the border, and that you have chosen to live you life and lifestyle in a very public way. In doing so, you do leave yourself open for the shots that come as a result of being such a wide open target.

Offering opinions and help on this board is a part of my business life, and has rewarded me with contacts within the community that help me to build my business. Think of it as "community service". I know, it is an unusual thing, actually doing something without getting a donation, but it happens. Plus these legal issues do give me a chance to expand my horizons and learn about subjects I might not otherwise look at. The bonus of learning something new is always worth the effort. I could teach you how that works, but I would likely have to charge more than $300 an hour.

Alex

[Chop Smith]

But if she stays all night, you will give her a discount?

[Linkster]

I have a question based on what I have read here - there has been a lot of stuff thrown around but two facts dont seem to match up here - the original poster stated that a raid occured by local and state authorities - yet since the original post there has been a lot of 2257 "banter" thrown out here. As far as I was aware, only federal authorities can inspect or take action on federal law - although they may be assisted by local authorities in their presence, but there has been no mention of a DOJ inspector or a FBI representative??? Or was this just embellishment added for the fear factor????

[GonZo]

Originally Posted by Linkster

I have a question based on what I have read here - there has been a lot of stuff thrown around but two facts dont seem to match up here - the original poster stated that a raid occured by local and state authorities - yet since the original post there has been a lot of 2257 "banter" thrown out here. As far as I was aware, only federal authorities can inspect or take action on federal law - although they may be assisted by local authorities in their presence, but there has been no mention of a DOJ inspector or a FBI representative??? Or was this just embellishment added for the fear factor????

I think the bullshit whistle sounded yet again.

[Hammer]

The 2257 talk is all moot because the DOJ cannot conduct inspections or arrest anyone for 2257 related issues right now. If 2257 was brought up at any point as being the reason or one of the reasons for the raid, then you need to contact the FSC immediately.

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Hammer

The 2257 talk is all moot because the DOJ cannot conduct inspections or arrest anyone for 2257 related issues right now. If 2257 was brought up at any point as being the reason or one of the reasons for the raid, then you need to contact the FSC immediately.

You think? This board is full of post from several months ago where posters were saying that you would only be covered by the injunction if you were a member of the FSC.

Is the fucking membership drive closed now?

[RawAlex]

I think there is a possiblity of not asking about 2257 records by name, but the typical police "bet you are using underage models". The only reference by webwoman is "i have all my legal paper work as far as taxes 2257 and zoning ect." (I searched the thread for 2257)

No matter WHO knocks at the door, possession of child pornography is always an issue. Why technically only the DoJ can ask for 2257 records, regular and local police could in theory charge you with possessing child porn, and your proof that it is not child porn is your 2257 records. They don't have to ask to see the records, they just can put in you a place where you have to show them to prove the point.

NOTE! This doesn't appear to have anything to do with this thread / raid - just an observation.

Alex

[Linkster]

Alex - I was actually asking the question because it was brought up by robwebster who I guess is involved with this - and didnt know what the significance of the two paragraphs about it was??? I also noted that the theme of linklists and theyre containing "content" keeps getting brought up - again I believe in a "fear factor- stir the pot" type of way - since we all know that linking to other sites is not covered by the current 2257 (the one thats been around for 10 years) and I just was asking the question as I dont understand why its being interjected into a discussion about prostitution and purient sex laws???

I believe that most states - and Im sure their state does also - define BDSM as a prohibited sexual act - so it would be up to how it was being disseminated as to whether a charge could stick or not - but then a webmaster board would not be the best place for legal advice anyway

[GonZo]

This thread is classic.
Thanks Green Guy and Jim for not closing it down!

[RawAlex]

Furrygirl, let me say this, and say it real clearly: If you haven't got a clue, don't get started. Your assumptions and presumptions about me start out wrong, get much more wrong, and pretty much end up in the toilet before you are over and done with.

Assuming I am a "tgp owner" starts you way off in the wrong end of town, and you never came back. That you totally, utterly, and without a doubt missed the entire point of my post just makes your angry, flailing post that much more humorous. It would be a great post if your "facts" were true, but, hey, why let mere facts get in the way of a good rant, right?

The questions come down to this: Legal or not legal. Obscene or not obscene. Documented or not documents. Acceptable to community standards or not.

webwoman is working in a business that is honestly "at the edge" of what is acceptable in most communities. Moreover, doing that work in a house that is half in a residential neighborhood ain't exactly great, and changing (but calling it a donation) for the services is a fair risk. Effectively, depending on how the local and state officials feel, it might be considered sexual in nature, and all that it implies.

As for your stuff, you are totally free to do whatever it is that turns you on - provided you don't blow past community standards. My suggestion to you is that perhaps in seattle your pee stuff goes over well. You are in a solidly liberal state with few republicans in places of power. Take your stuff down the road to Salt Lake City or somewhere of that nature, and you would fly past community standards with the urination, and we won't even discuss the menstruation stuff. Would you do scat as well? It is, after, all, just another bodily fluid. Perhaps vomitus, or ear wax, or toejam? Really, where is the line?

"menstruating pussy on a nude model is an abomination" - no, it is totally natural, and about as sexual to most people as taking a poop or getting their stomach pumped. It is navel gazing self glorification at it's finest. Again, totally natural, just like taking a shit, but no more interesting to me, and no more likely to pass the good old community standards test.

Because you are "out on the edge", if your local government officials decide to get ugly with you, they can go all the way down to siting you for not having permits for outdoor shoots and such (I had a friend receive such a citiation, when filming a student film, and I had to explain for quite a while to the police when filming a short movie on Ste Helene's Island here in Montreal). It isn't a laughing matter, but your reply shows that you don't understand or truly appreciate what the repercussions of your actions can be.

Oh yeah, no I don't think throat fucking a girl until she is sick is any more sexy than watching you take a leak. Neither one of them would put my Levis in peril.

Your assumption that I don't understand the risks involved in shooting, producing, and selling porn is again, based on a lack of knowledge about me. I don't put the stuff out there and toot my horn, I don't build sites for it, and I don't get involved. As a matter of fact, due to changes in your government's customs laws, I have had to stop all video production / editing for US clients, as they require when I return tapes or DVDs to the client to declare that the material is not obscene. As there is no standard for obscenity, I cannot take that risk. I don't want to spend 20 years in a federal butt slamming prison because the customs office that reviewed my stuff was in SLC or some other massively conservative part of the US.

"When you get your way, and all the big bad evil people like myself are in prison, who's head do you think will be next on the block?"

Do you think I want you to go to prison? Do you think I want the DoJ all over the case? Do you think I enjoy when someone gets raided, busted, or hassled? Not in the slightest. However, just like someone driving 100MPH through a school zone, you need to take some responsiblity for your own actions. Don't blame society for putting up the speed limit signs, but think for a minute why they are there. If we were all pretty much keeping up with traffic and being reasonable, it would be VERY, VERY hard for the DoJ and the Bush whitehouse to have their way with us. Instead, we produce extreme sites, we spam, we lure kids to sites with type domains from Disney, we isntall toolbars, send viruses, mousetrap people with consoles and generally abuse and annoy people, especially those who didn't want porn to start with. When they get angry about whatever, they go and look for people EXACTLY like you, or Max Hardcore, or other extreme cases, and parade you in front of the public as "those dirty pornographers". They won't show your nice kissy face pictures, but they sure will make sure to spread your pictures of you peeing and pulling out a used tampon to every media outlet that will listen. They will put them out there in conservative think tanks, action groups, and they will use them in court... and (MOST IMPORTANT PART) the rest of us will get fucked over because a few people couldn't be reasonable.

Janet Jackson by herself caused the biggest attack on broadcast media in the last 10 years by popping her boob out on TV. The backlash is still ongoing, with networks now self censoring and running 10 second tape delays and all sorts of stuff. Without Janet, the rest of the stuff would have been tolerated. With Janet, a single bad word slipped out of an athlete's mouth during an interview is enough send network executives into a panic.

What you do is up to you. Just don't be surprised when you get pulled over and they don't just give you a ticket.

Alex

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Furrygirl, let me say this, and say it real clearly: If you haven't got a clue, don't get started. Your assumptions and presumptions about me start out wrong, get much more wrong, and pretty much end up in the toilet before you are over and done with.

You ripped Webwoman a new asshole based on your own assumptions about her situation from what info she posted here, but then you get your panties in a twist when I make a post based on what I know of you from info on this board. What's the difference? You are not someone who I have ever interacted with in any way in my adult career thus far, and I'd never heard of "RawAlex" before I came here. Maybe you're some superstar to your friends who know you well, but as far as anyone can tell from this forum, you run a TGP.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The questions come down to this: Legal or not legal. Obscene or not obscene. Documented or not documents. Acceptable to community standards or not.

My menstruation porn is legal and fully documented, as is the rest of what I produce and buy. The second two are extremely arbitrary standards which vary from town to town, which are standards that *any* porn could be shot down under, so they are a moot point.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Would you do scat as well? It is, after, all, just another bodily fluid. Perhaps vomitus, or ear wax, or toejam? Really, where is the line?

You've missed my point on the matter entirely, but then again, most mass-market pornographers who can't think outside the box do, too.

The point of having a menstruation site is not to try and compete with the trend of making something as shocking and crazy and irresponsible and sketchy as possible while still being just this side of legal, it's to focus on menstruation itself as a natural healthy part of adult female sexuality. Your examples of stomach-pumping, toe infections, and vomit as a part of healthy adult sexuality do nothing more than show how little you know about women or respect us.

And anyway, vomit has already been "normalized" in the biz to the extent that for ever "period" photo I've seen, I've seen 20 photos of a girl being throat-fucked until she vomits.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Because you are "out on the edge", if your local government officials decide to get ugly with you, they can go all the way down to siting you for not having permits for outdoor shoots and such (I had a friend receive such a citiation, when filming a student film, and I had to explain for quite a while to the police when filming a short movie on Ste Helene's Island here in Montreal).

Oh, anecdotal evidence from another country that has nothing to do with porn, that's a great argument.

Give me some solid facts from the US as to how often the government pursues adult sites for whether or not they had shooting permits for their locations, or quit harping on it.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

However, just like someone driving 100MPH through a school zone, you need to take some responsiblity for your own actions. Don't blame society for putting up the speed limit signs, but think for a minute why they are there.

Thinking for a minute about why the stop sign in on Menstrual Avenue is actually exactly what I'm trying to get people to do.

And quit with the dad-talk of telling me that I need to be responsible for my own actions, you being condescending doesn't change the fact that I am one of the most responsible ethics-driven adult webmasters you will ever meet, and who is willing to fight for everyone's right for freedom of sexual expression, even if it means I would go to prison for it.

Originally Posted by RawAlex

... and (MOST IMPORTANT PART) the rest of us will get fucked over because a few people couldn't be reasonable.

Oh please, if it weren't for people like me, sticking their necks out, the adult industry would have been driven underground decades/centuries ago and you would have never had the chance to start your own adult projects. I make porn with consenting adults over the age of 18 which displays non-violent, happy, healthy, body-positive sexuality featuring wonderful models who are proud to be making porn with me and expressing themselves in a friendly environment.

If you want to pick on anyone, pick on sites that cater to pedophiles or tacitly encourage rape. You know, the sites made by the big sponsors.