2257 regs published in full

[terry]

Does anyone know if in all this the billing companies can get implicated? By this I mean will they go after my ccbill account? If I read correctly they can go after my hosting as it is in the US.

[Toby]

I don't see that billing companies have any obligations in relation to compliance with 2257.

However, you can bet your last dollar that if you get inspected and are found to not be in compliance, they'll use the seizure provisions to go after any funds not yet paid by CCbill or whatever other billing company is used. They have absolutely no intentions of playing nice.

[ngb1959]

What about the people that buy the subscriptions to the sites....I guess they have to have documentation too. I don't know, almost just kidding here.

Well, if it goes through, I'm going to put all mainstream on my existing sites and get banned from every one of the link lists on the internet.

But I'm not going to act rashly - just frustrated since I'm just starting to make decent money in this business.

Ok, enough ranting for today.

Have a good day/night all.

Nina

[emmanuelle]

Alex- since you are in Canada, and do not own a paysite (and thus need to be accountable to affiliates and billing companies) I would think that you are one of the lucky ones who can push hardcore easily, and perhaps have the advantage over others.

[emmanuelle]

Depending on which person's interpretation you believe, text links to explicit content, or hotlinked content may escape the requirements.

Could somebody not spend the $60 to set up a Canadian company and a hosting account in Canada to use as a content server?

[terry]

Originally Posted by emmanuelle

Could somebody not spend the $60 to set up a Canadian company and a hosting account in Canada to use as a content server?

Emmanuelle, know of any Canadian hosting companies we could use?

[emmanuelle]

There are a few, a couple here in Montreal but their names escape me at the moment. Mr Hoe knows more about the local hosting scene than I do, maybe he can help you.

[Prawnie]

Thankyou Alex for your time in this matter. It certainly has helped me out. Time is running out as we all know. Objections will hopefully be raised, however as I live in the UK, I am ignorant as to how the process in the US courts would develop.
I have scanned through the thread, my question is this?

Being the secondry producer living offshore of the US, with my business also offshore, how likely is it that the guys wearing dark glasses come knocking on my door? Being that my content is hosted on a US server, I use a US billing company and practically every sponser and primary producer is gonna laugh at me when I ask for personal details of the models we use on our sites?
Also, if the problem is big enough and the trend for people to "unload" their biz to offshore escalates, does the US judicial system and government have the powers to "persuade" foreign courts and organisations to track down "offenders" for their own gain? More to the point, would they bother going to such lengths to track down a foriegner who is breaking a US law?

I apologise if this has been asked before but I have just printed off the ruling and despite reading it many times, all I can make of it is it makes a really cool paper hat

[emmanuelle]

Originally Posted by Prawnie

Also, if the problem is big enough and the trend for people to "unload" their biz to offshore escalates, does the US judicial system and government have the powers to "persuade" foreign courts and organisations to track down "offenders" for their own gain? More to the point, would they bother going to such lengths to track down a foriegner who is breaking a US law?

I can't see you being extradited for a clerical error

[Toby]

Prawnie, an article I was reading last night pointed out that the DOJ doesn't have enough resources to adequately investigate the CP cases it has now. I don't forsee many "inspections" taking place here in the US, let alone overseas. I do think there will be some inpections, arrests, and prosecutions. I think they will be few but very noisy.

The tragic part is that those who do get prosecuted, even if found innocent will have already lost everything long before being exhonorated.

[Barron]

Originally Posted by Toby

Prawnie, an article I was reading last night pointed out that the DOJ doesn't have enough resources to adequately investigate the CP cases it has now. I don't forsee many "inspections" taking place here in the US, let alone overseas. I do think there will be some inpections, arrests, and prosecutions. I think they will be few but very noisy.

The tragic part is that those who do get prosecuted, even if found innocent will have already lost everything long before being exhonorated.

I agree with this. With the lack of manpower, I envision the inspectors not caring about photographs they see where the models are obvisously way over 18. And then the only ones they will seek age docs on are the ones that really are "ify" as to rather or not they are 18.

I would really like to think that the DOJ are really using this as a tool to increase the jail time for the people who deal in cp. "We no longer have to prove you are dealing in cp. Now YOU have to prove your model IS 18. Let me see the docs!"

Speaking of that, does anybody know anybody that has acctually been inspected for age documentation? I mean, something more than just casual, "While we're here, lets see them". I'm talking about a visit for the sole purpose of inspection of docs.

Does anyone know anyone thats happened to? Aside from Traci Lords.


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[Prawnie]

Originally Posted by Toby

Prawnie, an article I was reading last night pointed out that the DOJ doesn't have enough resources to adequately investigate the CP cases it has now. I don't forsee many "inspections" taking place here in the US, let alone overseas. I do think there will be some inpections, arrests, and prosecutions. I think they will be few but very noisy.

The tragic part is that those who do get prosecuted, even if found innocent will have already lost everything long before being exhonorated.

Thanks Toby and Barron. I read also about the lack of resources available. That last statement you wrote really hits home.

[Wenchy]

I finally found a minute to catch up on everything in detail and immediately felt like a heel when I came across Tommy's earlier post.

Thank you, Alex, for the time and effort you have put into this thread (along with others), and your patience with answering questions and approaching topics as they come up. For the last few days you've been the calm voice of reason in a tempest of uncertainty and fear, and we all owe you our thanks.

[HornyHeather]

Wenchy, I second that! Alex has been awesome and patient with all us nuts!

[Useless]

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

Wow Hun...Thank you...You outa be a Dom...I am submitting...LOL Thanks!

[Barron]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

I think most people have gotten past "the sky is falling". From what I can tell, most people are have taken a deep breath, considered their options and are making decisions based on either personal or business reasons. At least I have.

I'm just waiting on the lawyers to sort out the details. The porn business will go on, there will be money to be made and once everyone gets the cross-indexing done, it will be business as usual.


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[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Do you do anything that would give the DOJ a reason to knock on your door? Do you plan on posting questionable content any time soon?

Yes, we're going to see a bunch of pages come down in the very near future, but I'll bet most of them coming down will be due to panic and fear.

Give your sponsors a chance to spend some money on attorneys. You helped them earn it, now it's time to see it get used for something other than stupid contests and Internext keggers. Soon enough, they will report back with the hard facts, not just bullshit speculation.

No one reading this is going to jail. You aren't going to be arrested in another month for being an adult webmaster, not even the month after that. You don't have anything to fear. You really don't. Let's be smart and patient. Just stay calm and stay tuned in here to good old Greenguy & Jim's Ultimate 2257 Resource Board. Besides, where else are you going to learn how to properly douche a gay midget?

Agree with others, Alex thanks very much for all the solid input on these matters

Gotta give another big thumbs up to UW, the commments above are some of the most solid advice in this entire thread. The sky is not falling...at least not yet.

While I certainly don't agree with MANY things the US gov does, I also have a VERY hard time envisioning an honest webmaster being LOCKED UP for 5 years due to a CLERICAL problem. Hassled...possibly...annoyed probably...but locked the fuck up because you don't have all your ducks all lined up nice and pretty? Locked up because the folks on your site...that you CAN prove ARE over age...but you haven't shut down business for several weeks to go back to hundreds or thousands of sites...sites you built years ago...you haven't gone back and fulfilled these INANE documentation requirements??? Locked the the fuck up for a clerical issue? Sorry folks, perhaps I'm too naive (doubtful)...but I REALLY don't see ANYONE getting locked up over this...at least not anyone who is doing business above board in the first place.

Now, UW has given us some good advice. Let's let the sponsors and the FSC deal with this crap. I'd bet there WILL be injunctions...and BEFORE folks start selling off their businesses...or renting office space...or moving fucking hosting...let's see what the final version of this looks like. Get your ducks in a row...but common sense SCREAMS that what we see now...is not what will be enforced. IF any enforcement happens at all!

My plan is business as usual. I'm a business man...nothing more...nothing less. I certainly don't deal in cp, or be*st crap, or anything illegal. I'd challenge anyone to find anything illegal on my servers or my local drives. Hell, I even have a rule on my link list to keep the text friendly to women...no need to degrade women to sell sex. SEX IS FUN people!

IF the US gov wants to drag my ass into court (I look great in a suit btw )...the media would have a field day seeing an honest hard working business man in court over fucking clerical errors. And I have absolutely NO FEAR about being locked the fuck up. This is NOT 1950's Russia...it's just not gonna happen folks. At least not to those of us who are in this as a business and aren't involved in the seedy underside of this biz.

Geez, let's get some work done...there are horny surfers out there...and they WANT to use their credit cards

Oh, last comment...definitely support the FSC! They are our voice in this...a very worthwhile cause. And they very well may have a significant impact on what clerical requirements will be enforced.

Now, I'm off to sling some porn...I can just smell those surfer credit cards...mmm...yummy

[WolfTexas]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Everyone calm the fuck down! Don't make me put you in leashes. This is a matter of record keeping. That is all. Are there some pretty big implications? Yes. Have you ever known anyone who has gone to jail for shitty record keeping? What's that? No? Of course not.

Slow down, catch your breath, and relax.

Here's the problem. The record keeping is going to handcuff many people. It's not the threat of going to jail, but the interuption of business. Couple that with some of the other nuggets of this revision, and small business folks will have hell trying to arrange their lives to be profitable.

The biggest nugget of trouble for the amateur section is that the DOJ has taken possible danger (small instances of underage photos taken through false ID or through mistakes we can't fathom) and replaced it with an imminent danger OR the death of a business for many small timers because their personal information is now posted for the creeps and ne'er-do-wells to abduct or victimize the good people that willingly expose themselves for these folks.

That's the one that gets us. We have a family. We have a child that we treasure and do what we can to isolate her from the "treacherous or lacivious" activity that we perform in. The feds, locals or whoever could threaten our family now.

That's the panic. I'm sorry, but when you threaten my family, or endanger those close to me, I don't panic, I react. I'm rational, but I'm also logical. It's still a crossroads for many of us that like to have the work, but not the notoriety of our neighbors knowing EXACTLY what we do for that living.

Wolf.

[Toby]

Barron, To my knowledge there's never been so much as a knock on someone's door.

One thing that does need to be kept in mind, these new regulations allow the DOJ to appoint local law enforcement to perform the inspection. I'm not sure that will happen much since the Fed's tend to be pretty territorial and don't care much for sharing the spotlight.

[Barron]

Originally Posted by Toby

Barron, To my knowledge there's never been so much as a knock on someone's door.

One thing that does need to be kept in mind, these new regulations allow the DOJ to appoint local law enforcement to perform the inspection. I'm not sure that will happen much since the Fed's tend to be pretty territorial and don't care much for sharing the spotlight.

I get this vision of the feds asking the local police chief, or the local sherriff, or the local district attorney to go out and inspect a certain individual and the reply is, "What the fuck are 2257 regulations?... Really, you guys have that?.... Sorry, we would rather chase murders, armed robbers and people doing drive-bys. You'll have to do the inspections, we dont have time for that non-sense... bye!"


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[HornyHeather]

lol Barron

[HornyHeather]

Well like I said hun, the only way I could really put a face with a cock, is have these guys get naked...I was just being blunt, and you made me think with your comment..I dont crop the pictures that is how we take them, that is what my members like, but I never thought about how it would twist on me...

[Barron]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

Well like I said hun, the only way I could really put a face with a cock, is have these guys get naked...I was just being blunt, and you made me think with your comment..I dont crop the pictures that is how we take them, that is what my members like, but I never thought about how it would twist on me...

These new regs created as many questions as it did answers. Lets let the lawyers figure it all out. That will take a few days. Hopefully the answers will come more sooner than later and we all can get back to work.

So there is work out there for those of use over 40 huh? I may need a new line of work come June 23, is there a place I can sign up?


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[HornyHeather]

Originally Posted by Barron

These new regs created as many questions as it did answers. Lets let the lawyers figure it all out. That will take a few days. Hopefully the answers will come more sooner than later and we all can get back to work.

So there is work out there for those of use over 40 huh? I may need a new line of work come June 23, is there a place I can sign up?


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LOL I am always looking for over 40 men! Anything younger than that is just to im-mature, No Pun intended to the younger guys here...