2257 regs published in full

[WolfTexas]

Originally Posted by HornyHeather

LOL I am always looking for over 40 men! Anything younger than that is just to im-mature, No Pun intended to the younger guys here...

I'm not a 40 year old, but I could play one on WebTV.

W

[HornyHeather]

Your Right Barron, I think what most of us are concerned about is having our info published on the net...Indexing dont bother me, the compliances, not a problem...
Stalkers and antipornists scare me

[Boogie]

Well, here is my take on it all.

Its a waiting game.

Look, I have a handfull of sites on the internet that have actual content on them. This content as a whole is generlaly sponsor produced and donated.

With that said, all I really can do is wait. do I want to publish my home address on all the sites I create and have created? NO. and I do work for home.

I'm going to wait til the last minute to do it but even when I do that adress is already public via whois so whats it matter? Its been up there for 8 years and no one has knocked on my door yet, why will they tomorrow?

Most likely they wont.

So try my method. Be ready, be informed, keep tabs of whats going on but most of all relax. I think a lot of folks who are getting out dont really know why they're doing it they're just heading for the hills.

Good riddance to most of them though, with a few exceptions.

More room in the pool for me

[RamCharger]

On a side note, what really amazes me is that so many sites start right out with a hardcore front page with the minors prohibited wording right beneath it. How's that work? Yes, we're all fishing for people, but that seems to be a recipe for fishing for a lawsuit since you've already displayed nudity including hardcore before they could even accept the legal disclaimer on the front page.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by RamCharger

On a side note, what really amazes me is that so many sites start right out with a hardcore front page with the minors prohibited wording right beneath it. How's that work? Yes, we're all fishing for people, but that seems to be a recipe for fishing for a lawsuit since you've already displayed nudity including hardcore before they could even accept the legal disclaimer on the front page.

It's a good point in it's intent, but unless the rest of your pages are behind .htaccess or some other blocking device, there's no telling which page a surfer is going to land on. Google is going to send them to which every page they deem worthy in conisdertion of the terms searched. The DOJ certainly doesn't seem to care. If they did, they'd be demanding better warnings, not total control of all content on every page. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in warning pages too, but my stats tell me that mine aren't seen very often.

[RamCharger]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

It's a good point in it's intent, but unless the rest of your pages are behind .htaccess or some other blocking device, there's no telling which page a surfer is going to land on. Google is going to send them to which every page they deem worthy in conisdertion of the terms searched. The DOJ certainly doesn't seem to care. If they did, they'd be demanding better warnings, not total control of all content on every page. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big believer in warning pages too, but my stats tell me that mine aren't seen very often.

My concern about this (and why I'm putting it here) is that everyone is expressing grave concern over this new law, but the reality is that being on the receiving end of it would require the federal government to go after you. However, there are a number of more easilly pressed lawsuits that only require a screaming parent or other person to initiate that no one here seems to have on their radar and that alot of sites seem to be easy fodder for.

[digifan]

For those worried about foreign producer and model and IDs here is a helpful article
https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=...rder=0&thold=0

[juggernaut]

OK well I'm kind of baffled to this whole thing and how its going to affect my site as I have all the models ID's and I'm very strict as to not allow them to show one image until they provide me with that info. Being I'm providing live streaming video does this even affect me? I think I should be ok until I start to partner or have afiliates etc, then I would need to get more of those images. I will be removing all banners from my site and only placing up text links. But I will be reading this very carfully. Now on to the address part. There are two things you can do here. 1) go to mail boxes.ETC they provide you with a real address with a suite attached. IE 123 any street, suite 123 anytown blah blah. 2) you can go to your local college pay a $50 registration fee and tell them you need a mail box. They will give you one with the college address on it. Anyway I'm not letting this ruin my Florida trip I will read when I get home as Im sure the feds wont make it to anyones house very soon.

[RawAlex]

Juggernaut, no no and NO! You cannot use a mailboxes etc! You have to actually be there, and unless you can climb into that little box and work, you fail. That is a PO box, no matter how you want to play with it. DON'T SCREW AROUND AND TRY TO FIND EASY WAYS OUT. Remember, 5 years in a federal butt slamming prison is your reward.

No mail boxes - no drop boxes - no "suites"... just your real principle place of business.

As for your videos, you need a model release, you need all the cross referencing, and you will need to name and track each performance (unique identifying code unless it has a hard URL unique to that video). You will need to track every thumb, still image, and anything else. EVERY IMAGE, EVERY VIDEO, EVERY CLIP... you need a cross referencing entry for each item.

The DOJ wants to be able to say "This URL who are the models". or "this video who is in it" or "this gallery, show me all the model releases for the people on this gallery" or "this model, show me all the places you have images of her".

Don't fuck around. Don't play cute games. You are EXACTLY the type of person the DOJ will love to meet.

Alex

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Juggernaut, no no and NO! You cannot use a mailboxes etc! You have to actually be there, and unless you can climb into that little box and work, you fail. That is a PO box, no matter how you want to play with it. DON'T SCREW AROUND AND TRY TO FIND EASY WAYS OUT. Remember, 5 years in a federal butt slamming prison is your reward.

No mail boxes - no drop boxes - no "suites"... just your real principle place of business.

As for your videos, you need a model release, you need all the cross referencing, and you will need to name and track each performance (unique identifying code unless it has a hard URL unique to that video). You will need to track every thumb, still image, and anything else. EVERY IMAGE, EVERY VIDEO, EVERY CLIP... you need a cross referencing entry for each item.

The DOJ wants to be able to say "This URL who are the models". or "this video who is in it" or "this gallery, show me all the model releases for the people on this gallery" or "this model, show me all the places you have images of her".

Don't fuck around. Don't play cute games. You are EXACTLY the type of person the DOJ will love to meet.

Alex

Dude relax. You are jumping on me for asking a simple question. I got news for you. I worked for the government I'm sure allot longer then you and can bet you that the people they hire to over look this whole issue. will be hard chargers for about 3 months but after the long hours, little pay and major paper work and politics this whole issue will be the same as any other issue the government ever launched towards the adult industry. As far as my stuff on my box. It's all there. Every model is fully tracked. Images, video feeds, time online, thumbs, model release etc. is documented and saved. So it's been my personnal experience they will not be comming to your house to put you out of business, they will be comming to your house to make sure you are not promoting CP. Which if you have all the documentation in order should not have any issues. I understand many people here don't have control over much of this. But thats the way it is. Now everyone here can talk about how this affects them but fact is I would rather spend my time talking to an experienced internet laywer and getting my paperwork in order. No one here is remotely able to give legal advice on this subject. So don't freak out cause some people are givin their thoughts as to what this law means. Like Jim said talk to a laywer. That's the best advice in this whole thread.

[Tommy]

does anyone have any ideas about what kinfd of software they are gonna use for this

[SexVideoContent]

Originally Posted by Tommy

does anyone have any ideas about what kinfd of software they are gonna use for this

Someone over on GFY came up with something for this, don't have a link though.

BTW, if you read through the 2257 regs, there was a mention of one comment suggesting the ability to use software to keep the documentation instead of only hard copies - that was my comment

It's hard to believe that out of the entire adult industry, with all the big players involved, that only one person suggested that - did anyone else write in about this during the comment period last year?

[Ann Omness]

Originally Posted by Tommy

does anyone have any ideas about what kinfd of software they are gonna use for this

I'm probably just going to write everything out longhand on paper. I have half a million images to document and cross reference. I can't even get all the images themselves into a thumbs database because my computer starts bombing out when the database file size reaches two gigs.

If I work 24 hours/day and document and cross reference 12 images/second, I can get the job done by June 23rd. Except that none of the content providers I've purchased from over the years has the info I need available for me yet. And I have the suspicion that I can't write fast enough to handle the 12 images/second pace. I might not even be able to stay awake for a whole month. I guess I'll be going to prison unless the stalkers get me first after I publish my address for the search engines to spider.

[cd34]

probably the same thing that SOD and Vice use.

Excel.

[RawAlex]

ardentgent - you are responsible for what is published on your domain, and that will LIKELY include things like IFRAMES to other sites and images, banner, counters, and other things that are integrated into your page.

You cannot control what is on another site, you cannot edit it, therefore you are not producing it.

However, linking to illegal content (CP, whatever) is still a major no-no.

Alex

[ardentgent]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

ardentgent - you are responsible for what is published on your domain, and that will LIKELY include things like IFRAMES to other sites and images, banner, counters, and other things that are integrated into your page.

You cannot control what is on another site, you cannot edit it, therefore you are not producing it.

However, linking to illegal content (CP, whatever) is still a major no-no.

Alex

And if I link to a gallery that does not posses the required 2257 documents, that is not my concern, correct?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ardentgent

And if I link to a gallery that does not posses the required 2257 documents, that is not my concern, correct?

That's my understanding. We have no way to know what they have or don't have. We might see a lot more good faith notices next the submit button that say something like 'By pressing submit you claim to have the proper documentation for the content used on the link being submitted'. Of course, I'm not sure if that's good or bad. One would think that having a Beware of Dog sign would show due diligence if you have an anti-social beast in your back yard, but legally it's considered an acknowledgement that your dog is a ferocious beast and opens you to lawsuits if he bites someone. Crazy, huh.

[SirMoby]

This shows promise http://www.my2257.com/ but it's not scheduled to be released until July 1, 2005

[Tommy]

will Excel do this
the files have to be cross linked and include the images and movies

I do not think this is possable to do with paper
because a small 15 pic gallery requries copys of the 15 pics and thumbnails
plus the model relaese and the 2 forms of id

[Chop Smith]

Originally Posted by Tommy

will Excel do this
the files have to be cross linked and include the images and movies

I do not think this is possable to do with paper
because a small 15 pic gallery requries copys of the 15 pics and thumbnails
plus the model relaese and the 2 forms of id

Tommy, if you are good with Excel you should be able to come up with a routine to handle these requirements.

When this scare surfaced, I started writing a routine using a database structure. I need to take a long weekend and finish it.

[Tommy]

trying to find info in a 12 page thread is ridiculous

[docholly]

I'm using Excel and each tab is a different model, click on the tab and a list of sites with copies of the content. i mgiht have to split it by pages..

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Tommy

trying to find info in a 12 page thread is ridiculous

This is getting nuts. Lots of topics going on here and plenty of unfinished conversations. Maybe someone could add a new board while Jim is out on his moped.

[abe]

I'm not sure if my idea about their crosslinking is right.
I understand this. For instance you have a set of 100 pics completely documented and filed.
Out of that set you make 2 gals of lets say 15 pîcs.
Each gal has a url. I think that now for each pic you have used in the gals, you have to update the original file of the set giving for each pic the url where you have used it.
If you have used eg pic245 on both galleries, then you will find 2 url's for that pic in the original set documentation.
And in the documentation of the gallery you will find a reference to the original set/picture.

If it is something like this, then I think that it is not to difficult to make something in MS Access to keep track of all this. Might be easier then Excel.

[Tommy]

I opened up access which someone told me is like excel
all i see is a bunch of cells

I dont see how this would work