F**k the K**s! (rant)

[Agent]

^ I do realize the little bastards can get crafty and bypass the router completely. You would probably need to keep it somewhere where they won't be tampering with it. They'll find their way around anything given enough time. I was one of those crafty little basards who could steal cigarettes from their mother's still-sealed packages of cigarettes without her ever knowing. I could make James Bond scratch his head in amazment when I needed nicotine.

// Gave cigarettes up 6 or 7 years ago.

[cherri]

I am a mother of 4 boys 15-3 years of age also a webmistress. Parents need to get off their lazy asses and moniter what their children are doing on the computer. My children use my computer I have no passwords, I just pay attention and know what they are doing on it. People have just become lazy and think that the government needs to raise their children for them.

[Bill]

Sparky, that PICS page is just incomprehensible.

I've been saying for years that if the government or ICANN or somebody would define a simple "kep the kids off this page" meta tag, every decent adult webmaster in the world would be happy to use it.

But I have no idea what that PICS tag is supposed to be. Whatever it is, it sure as fuck does not look simple.

Can you interpret?

[Wenchy]

Jay, you are my hero!! Your post said exactly what I scream about (to anyone who will listen) when I'm not chained to this damned computer.

My mother has been a licensed childcare provider for over 30 years and we have this conversation on the average of once a week anymore. The bullshit that passes for childrearing these days makes me want to hurl... people spend more time teaching their dog to do tricks than they do teaching their offspring how to be decent human beings with some respect for themselves, others, and the rules. Too many parents nowadays want the tax deduction or the status symbol... anything and everything but the responsibility of being a parent.

I too have a teenaged son, and you can bet your ass I know EXACTLY what he is doing when he's online. I still say I'd rather have him see a little sex or nudity than to have him exposed to a two-hour movie in which there is nothing but mindless, unnecessary, unrealistic ass-kicking and gun fights going on. Porn is hands down the friendlier option IMHO.

[Smutferret]

Originally Posted by Bill

But I have no idea what that PICS tag is supposed to be. Whatever it is, it sure as fuck does not look simple.

Can you interpret?

Hey Bill,

If you would like to use the PICS meta tag on your site you need to go to...

http://www.icra.org

and/or

http://www.safesurf.com

and rate your web site or domain.

Regards,
SF

[docholly]

I too have a teenaged son, and you can bet your ass I know EXACTLY what he is doing when he's online. I still say I'd rather have him see a little sex or nudity than to have him exposed to a two-hour movie in which there is nothing but mindless, unnecessary, unrealistic ass-kicking and gun fights going on. Porn is hands down the friendlier option IMHO.

i have a whole disclaimer on my site that discusses having frank and open dialogue with your children.

disclaimer

I even offered to the parents to let ME do the discussing. We've come a long way only to be stuck back in the closet.

What i find most amusing is that the majority of voters are children of the 60's and 70's who came of age during the free love years, now they are screaming because they are afraid of what their teenager MIGHT see? Oh PULEASE!!

Right on Jay.. I've always said, parents should have to take a test before being allowed to be parents. Kind of like drivers ed.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Smutferret

Hey Bill,

If you would like to use the PICS meta tag on your site you need to go to...

http://www.icra.org

and/or

http://www.safesurf.com

Ohhh, so it's just the icra tag.

Well, that doesn't help very much.

ICRA is sweet and all, but I've got hundreds of domains and thousands of sites and tens of thousands of pages.

There is no fucking way I have the time to get an icra tag for every piece of internet real estate I own.

So to me, the icra tag is as useless as tits on a boar hog.

All I want, all I have ever wanted, is a simple, straightforward meta tag I can easily put on all my pages that tells every browser this is not a page for kids.

I already put a content="Mature" tag on almost every page, and I could add more content= tags, but there's no standard for that type of tag.

Dumb fucking politicians can't ever be simple and practical.

[Jel]

I think this is a great thread that proves although some of us disagree on finer points, (see original thread title & revised title) we all seem to agree that parents need to take at least some responsibility with their offspring's online actions, rather than waiting for the US government to step in.

I read this just after it was posted, and was thinking about it whilst in the shower, (Hey, not in that way!!!) and while thinking about it came to the same conclusion as was mentioned earlier - fuck the parents. Or more accurately, fuck the parents that cannot be bothered to help their offspring. That's not to say I didn't agree with Jay's views, - hell - I think you're (Jay) pretty much on the same wavelength as most of us out here, 'cept maybe we can't express it in the way we would like.

I also did think, and please please if you are from the US don't take this the wrong way, that it's kind of the culture that is abundant nowadays, mainly from the 'compensation crowd' that refuses to take blame or consequences as a result of it's own actions. For example, a bag of peanuts needs to have stated that 'this product contains peanuts' etc. because there are too many people unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions or inactions.

I think that's a damn good post by Jay, and although I'd have titled it as UW - Fuck The (lazy assed) Parents I gotta agree 100% with the rationale behind it.

Just my 2cents on it

[Rorschach]

you want to f**k k**s? that's just wrong man!
(edited by greenguy)

[Mr. Blue]

This has nothing to do with CP though...this has everything to do with invasion of privacy. The government doesn't care about CP, what they care about is how far they can overreach their boundaries, how far they can bend constitutional rights regarding unlawful search and seizure.

Look at parts of the 2257...it says if an investigator comes to your place to check your records they can also, "These regulations do not restrict the otherwise lawful investigative prerogatives of an investigator while conducting an inspection."

I'm curious how invasive these inspections will be. Will it be some guy in a suit that will just go over your records or will it be a swat team, lol.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Rorschach

you want to f**k k**s? that's just wrong man!
(edited by greenguy)

Hey Asshole - why do you think I edited the title & original post?

Even in jest, it's not fucking funny.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

Hey Asshole - why do you think I edited the title & original post?

Even in jest, it's not fucking funny.

Yeah, maybe I could have picked a better title, but then again, I wanted something contreversial so people would read it too.

I agree with GG on this one though.

[Boogie]

Hey Jay,

You've put into words exactly how I've felt. I've tried to say it recently but not as eloquently as you manged.

Truth is its time they stopped hiding behind this shield to achieve their christian right goals. Its persecution at its finiest.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Boogie

Hey Jay,

You've put into words exactly how I've felt. I've tried to say it recently but not as eloquently as you manged.

Truth is its time they stopped hiding behind this shield to achieve their christian right goals. Its persecution at its finiest.

Thanks man!

[ClickBuster]

I'm happy to say that I have a very happy sexual life, but still I'm jerking off since kindergarten and I really don't get why are kids not allowed to watch porn?!?

When I watched porn for the first time I was probably about 11-12 years old when I catched by incident the dirty movies after midnight on TV1000. At first I was very afraid and disgusted from what I saw, no matter that I was jerking off on a regular basis for about 4-5 years already (my big fetish were tits, but pussy - what is that?!?).

After a few months, the interested started to rise... I started watching the late TV1000 XXX show more occasionally and I really liked it, it helped my imagination grew stronger and stronger. That was my best AND only sexual education. The fact is that when I was 16 and had Internet access I spent a lot more time in reading info and doing things, instead of watching porn - I wasn't so interested, because it was old news for me.

Well, I guess I'm a crazy prick that has to be knocked by a truck, ressurected and burned alive, but still, that's the way I see things.

In my country people RECOMMEND, they don't FORBID. We address not only the parents but also the minors themselves. How can you actually expect somebody to NOT DO something when you tell him NOT TO DO IT, especially with that somebody is a kid? Isn't creating a taboo the best way to inspire somebody's interest? I'm telling you this from the point of view of somebody that was raised in times of socialism or as others may refer to it - communism, and believe me - we had a shitload of taboos...

I guess the hunger for freedom in Bulgaria is stronger or maybe the people in the US are borred of beeing free or many people's brains were washed out too much already... or they're plain stupid and do and believe what they're told to - if so You (and your money) are always welcome here!

-- Andrew

P.S.
If somebody somehow felt insulted from this post, let me know about it

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ClickBuster

I guess the hunger for freedom in Bulgaria is stronger or maybe the people in the US are borred of beeing free or many people's brains were washed out too much already...

I think you may have hit on something there. We don't spend a much time thinking about what real freedom is since we have always had it here.

The U.S. is a horrible mess when it comes to morality. Look at us. The country went into a tizzy about Janice Jackson's tit on tv. Her nipple was covered, but the crazy-ass Christian right went nuts. People seem to think that children seeing nudity or sexuality is going to make them into rapists and murderers. Wahnsinn.

This will always be a country where offending someone is a punishable crime. It just gets worse as time passes.

[johnshinil]

This is an excellent post. There is hardly anything left to say!

JohnShinil.

[MindyBlingBucks]

This post is awesome. The sad part is, it's like preaching to the choir in here. There are too many people out there, parents, out there, who just don't understand what's going on in the world, and with their own children.

I don't know if it's because of the way they were raised, or if there was some crazy phenomenon that made this generation of parents let their kids run loose and then blame others for what the kids get into. . .Maybe that's why we see so many young kids with cell phones now, parents thinking they can know where their kids are and what they're doing with a phone call. . .

I'm young myself, and I don't have any children. However, I do have younger brothers (the oldest of which is 10 years younger than me), and I can see that even *my* mother has changed the way she parents her children. Keeping them sheltered will only shock them in the future, or push them to try and do exactly that which you are trying to keep them from doing. . .

Just adding my 10cents. . .

[stuveltje]

believe me i am more worried about the pedofiles which are walking around in my neighbourhood here then i would worrie my kids would see porn on the net....chanse my kids would see porn on the net 1.100 chanse my kids would meet an pedofile in holland in real life 1.56.....Stu<--- has spoken AMEN....