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2005-08-18, 06:03 PM
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Sex fantasies are not "politcally correct". People have weird shit going on in their heads and porn is the visual depiction of these thoughts. As long as the models are of legal age and have given "informed consent" then it should be allowed to be sold. Having said that, I would not promote a site that offended my personal tastes. I believe in freedom of speech, even if it is speech that I don't happen to like.
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2005-08-18, 06:14 PM
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This is the most reading I have done since I finished my degree.
 It is fantasy I don’t see the issue here. Some one who doesn’t approve, and wanted it taken down would just be pushing their opinion on some one else if the sites are legal. Just like the people who think record keeping should be so complicated half of the web masters should be forced to go out of business. I thought all of these people were the extreme religious, or members of the Bush administration. I would hope the surfer knows that it is fantasy.
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2005-08-19, 03:06 AM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
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Okay so I new to this stuff and I have to say. So long and the acotrs and models know what theyare getting into so what it's entertainment and art as far as I am concerned.
I am throughly convinced that a great deal of society when it comes to sex general is (how do you spell it) pschytsofrentic. And it appears to me that part of the adult industry is too. Now I like the idea of the sleeping site but the vids on the tour turned me a bit as it didn't show a waking or dreaming gal getting into it. It showed guy fucks gal with eyes closed and she doesn't respond poor guy just dosen't have what it takes lol . hmmm. The spaking site hot damn ...Yeah I'll admit it I like the extreme shit does it mean I am gonna go out and start fucking my gal in her sleep no does it mean I am going to go out and start spaking my gal when she going down. no It's fantasy fantasy isn't reality though some fantasies are better live ;-) Pay no mind to me I am a "newbie" I guess |
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2005-08-19, 06:32 AM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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Anyhow, my point in this discussion was that it's not simply, "are the models really being sexually assaulted or not?", I see it as an issue of how the content of some fantasy sites are framed. You can and should have hot fantasy play that still discusses boundaries, consent, and safety. I'm not anti-fantasy site in the least bit, but I do think it's important to make clear that it is strictly fantasy. For the "pure fantasy" crowd, it shouldn't be a worry to "ruin the fantasy" with a disclaimer, right? But for people who really want to break into a woman's home and rape her while she's asleep, if a disclaimer ruins the fantasy for them, do you care? In my mind, a disclaimer and some honest kink advice benefits the best of the crowd, and keeps away the people I wouldn't want to be catering to in the first place. To try another angle/question on the content framing issue, let's pretend that another hotly debated site, Little April, was worded differently. Let's say it started out with a consenting, paid, over-18 model. All the same type of stuff was shot, she left with a smile on her face after a job well done. That's the point, according to a lot of people here. "Hey, she's legal, she got paid, and she's happy with the work, right?" But, would everyone feel the same way if the text selling the site claimed that she was 14 years old and that masturbating for her horny daddy? I don't know if that would legal or not in the US, but *theoretically* speaking, would people promote a site that looked like CP, talked like CP, arguably encouraged CP, but wasn't actually CP? Sometimes, copy *is* king. |
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2005-08-19, 07:36 AM
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2005-08-19, 07:46 AM
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Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
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Very good question but no one is listening, they are off believing in their justifications. 
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2005-08-19, 07:59 AM
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2005-08-19, 08:06 AM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
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2005-08-19, 05:28 PM
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Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
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No one has ever said that people who promote the sleeping woman assault site were rapists. I do believe they are misguided, possibly have not read the text on the tour and instead they have read the justifications for the site. Then there is those that think making an "entertainment" site about hurting women is a good thing? I personally am concerned with line crossing becoming the adult nets downfall (visa could care one day) and 2. what effect this has on the young people growing up. Someone who slips a cock into their sleeping wife and does so because they know she doesnt mind has not raped her, he KNOWS she doesnt mind, she has somehow given consent. This tour does not speak to consent in any way...and that is not what the owners are trying to tell you.
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2005-08-19, 05:52 PM
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Swedguy's 2 cents!
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2005-08-19, 11:21 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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2005-08-19, 05:58 PM
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Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless
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Hi Furrygirl
Yes it was more of a ""society has a weird attitude about sex" using a polysyllabic. ( My communication social skills are not very good I work hard at being a good communicator somtimes my choice of words arenot the best. But when I use basic I didn't mean to offend) I agree with you about the comparison of content and copy with the little april site. copy is what makes the fantasy artifically real. |
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2005-08-19, 09:18 PM
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Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it?
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I have only glanced at the site in question and have not thouroughly read all the promo text for it. And I don't need to. The one word in the title is all that's needed to make it EXTREMELY questionable. Will the site owners consider changing to title? who knows? I'm sure they are at least rethinking things a bit considering the flack the site is receiving (even as the cash flows in). They may very well get themselves in some trouble with that site (i dont have a clue where the law lies on this or if Visa will have a problem with it)
Susanna, I and many others are on your side on this but I find many of your posts very poorly worded. You are getting your point accross but you could be a little more tactfull. Otherwise people will just start skipping over your posts (some may already be doing so) Oh yeah, and pass the 
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2005-08-20, 05:43 AM
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Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!
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ahhhh NOPE!!! I am purposely being abusive to ahhhh MEN??? to get my point across about respecting others. Why the fuck should I respect anyone that doesn't respect women enough to consider that they might just like to have some consent. I know that people are complaining about condescending posts and the like, they are assuming I am talking to them. I am not making blanket statements, many people already agree with me and some chose to post about it. Others don't post but speak privately about it. To each their own. Still others come up with poorly thought out or worded explanations as to why they think that site is legal, not offensive to them (did they wonder if it is offensive to women? or do they care?) I don't give a shit what people do in a consentual context but I will express my distaste and concern for non-consentual porn which people believe more and more to be "real"ity porn. Heh people really do this shit.....I for one have a conscience...enough to speak out and say when I think something is going too far. Got lots of attention so far right? The site owners are also sitting back saying "bad attention is just as great at getting the word out as good attention" everyone knows this marketing fact...just look at any post on GFY You do what you gotta do and I make just as many apologies for hurting some feelings ha ha ha as rage does for making a violence against women site.
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2005-08-20, 06:23 AM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
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2005-08-20, 09:03 AM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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Susanna, really, sometimes less is more, you know?
I find ethical and political discussions to be the most interesting things that come up on boards, and like other people here, I'm "on your side" in many ways, but it's hard to get people to listen to your side when you're saying that everyone who's not avidly agreeing with you supports rape. And I'm a *chick* saying that this time around, so maybe it might sounds more palatable coming from me. I don't agree at all with the idea of "assaulting" sleeping women, but I also personally like fantasy, roleplay, and kink with my sex and porn, so long as it is clearly defined as fantasy. My problem with the site is about context and content-framing, which make all the difference in my mind. (Context is a great topic for banter, and I think anyone profiting from content that is not of themselves naked has sometime to say about how they frame their porn.) I do think this is an open-ended discussion, and I'd love to see it keep going, so it's a shame that in your passion for women's rights, I think you're killing the thread. Trixie (also female) and I both proposed that non-consensual fantasy sites provide some sort of disclaimer and make it abundantly clear to surfers that it's just roleplay. I see it as a good chance for webmasters to provide a smidge of education to their surfers about kinky lifestyles and about the important elements of trust, consent, and communication. I think that roleplay is really fucking hot, and as an adult, I can see roleplay porn and say, "this is not real, these are actors", and it can still be fun. I think a move away from text that seemingly glorifies "real" non-consensual sex and a move towards "fantasy roleplay" is a good idea, and as I said before, attracts the real "fantasy" folk, and repels the scum you don't want to do business with anyhow. It seems like a win-win to me. Do you have a sort of, well, positive solutions? Or, are you saying that any portrayal on non-consensual sex shouldn't exist at all? Content, or copy? |
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2005-08-20, 10:59 AM
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NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them.
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After much thought and looking over my stories category on my link list (that was an eye-opener) and seeing that Rage has put a disclaimer on the mother-daughter tour - I believe I will be starting a little promoting of them
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2005-08-20, 12:08 PM
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I have also said that I would love to see a disclaimer (linkster, the mother daughter site is not an issue to me, consenting adults, related or not, can do as they please ADULTS...incest to me is about children...again my opinion but I am not varying from what my opinion is on consent and non-consent). This is not about womens rights...I have never said it was about womens rights. At the moment it is womens rights being trampled on. I am not a feminist. I do not want women placed above men ya da ya da. I would like to see a smidge of consentualism. I have also said in a post that a domain change would be half the battle. Of course this is not terribly hard but it means admitting something which I am not sure that the site owners will admit. Time will tell I guess. I agree with some others that it could just get them in trouble one day which everyone else will pipe in and say "so its their business what do you care". I care that my business will be damaged by people pushing the limit. I had a conversation with someone recently about how fuckin hot the site would be if they removed the non-consent. If they talked about sleeping-sex vs. sexual assault. Most everyone has had someone wake them up during sleep by slowly caressing, sucking or whatever. It is hot, it is pleasure. Heck I would buy em a new domain ha ha ha The text still talks of non-consentualism which is not even the somnophilia kink. It is the sadist kink, the rapist kink what ever, its about harming women and taking what they want whether the gal wants it or not. I have offered to re-write some text for them, no strings attached, if they didnt think it was hot they didnt have to use it. I say portrayal of non-consent is never appropriate. Its not even a fantasy to have non-consentual sex. Sorry. It is true deviant behaviour. I might even like a front of tour solo disclaimer that says "this is fantasy role play, we intend no harm, we dont want you to hurt women" etc. What are your positive solutions?
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2005-08-20, 02:52 PM
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as·sault
1. A violent physical or verbal attack. 2. a. A military attack, such as one launched against a fortified area or place. b. The concluding stage of an attack in which close combat occurs with the enemy. 3. Law. a. An unlawful threat or attempt to do bodily injury to another. b. The act or an instance of unlawfully threatening or attempting to injure another. 4. a. Law. Sexual assault. b. The crime of rape. |
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2005-08-20, 03:19 PM
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Without getting into the whole 'yes but no but' argument, is this site the worst thing any of us have seen? Really? I highly doubt it. I'm by no means as articulate and clever as some of the posters here, but fuck, as was said earlier, I do have *some* semblance of a brain, and sure as hell can make my own choice(s). This thread is on page 4 - wtf? We all sell fantasies, we all sell bullshit. What another chooses to promote I may not agree with, and what I promote (be it watersports or such) someone else may not agree with. Last I heard, if it's legal, then free speech had a play in there somewhere, much as those of us who disagree with whatever particular aspect of that may not like it. '2 cents smiley here' Last edited by Jel; 2005-08-20 at 03:21 PM.. Reason: forgot quote tags |
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2005-08-20, 08:24 PM
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2005-08-20, 08:28 PM
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Let's not miss the fact that RageCash.com has gotten absolutely golden press here. Whichever side your on... or even if you dont have a side... you won't soon forget RageCash and its not because of the skin......
controversy = gold IMHO
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2005-08-20, 08:39 PM
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No offence Apu, but when they were handing out religions you must have been out taking a whizz
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2005-08-20, 08:44 PM
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If you don’t take a chance the Angels won’t dance
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2005-08-21, 01:20 AM
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Took the hint.
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furrygirl, a simple question: Is the picture of a nude 12 year old with a disclaimer that "this isn't porn, it's art" make you feel any better about the content?
Sex is an act between two consenting adults. There is no visible way to determine the consent on this site. In fact, they play up the specific terms that it isn't consentual, that is what makes it so exciting. It is very hard to justify a site that encourages and panders to would be or wannabe rapists. Alex |
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