An Open Thread To AVN & Internext...

[Useless]

I was going to ask a question, but I just read that I'm not supposed to form an opinion unless I speak to AVN directly upon said opinion's conception.

Far-l, this is how webmasters communicate with each other. This is how we toss around ideas and opinions. If AVN is too big to read the boards, even if a thread is addressed directly to them - fuck 'em. Most of us really don't even care enough to contact AVN. Why? Because they don't seem to care about us. (and some of us are dead sexy) The same shit gets expressed for every show, yet nothing seems to change. I've never been to an AVN extravaganza. I consider attending each and every time, yet I've never been convinced that it's worth the investment.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I was going to ask a question, but I just read that I'm not supposed to form an opinion unless I speak to AVN directly upon said opinion's conception.

Far-l, this is how webmasters communicate with each other. This is how we toss around ideas and opinions. If AVN is too big to read the boards, even if a thread is addressed directly to them - fuck 'em. Most of us really don't even care enough to contact AVN. Why? Because they don't seem to care about us. (and some of us are dead sexy) The same shit gets expressed for every show, yet nothing seems to change. I've never been to an AVN extravaganza. I consider attending each and every time, yet I've never been convinced that it's worth the investment.

They have made and effort to be on the boards. Even well liked people like Aly took regular bashings as a result. However, conversely, when webmasters have problems then the best place to start resolving them generally is off the boards.

Obviously, this is an issue that should be resolved publicly - but even still covering it on all the boards would be tough.

You have never even been to a show so I am not sure what basis you feel qualified to so vehemently criticize them. I still think that you are entitled to your point of view so if you feel like addressing your issues then come to the show tonight.

[AVNFarley]

Greenguy and Jim,
Thanks so much for having me on today. I think I was able to shed some light on a number of questions you and your listeners (sorry emmanuelle) had. I'm happy to say 3 of your listeners have already reached out to me tonight. As I said on the show, I'll be happy to keep posting answers to any questions on this thread and I'll keep everyone up to date on Internext info.

Please email me at farley@avn.com
AIM= AVNFarley
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[zoezane]

I have attended Amateur Camz Parties the past few years and some of the parties were great and others were so so (2007 party was over at strip club Olympic Garden). When I talk to Dan he just blows me off, he is really busy. Dan and are are cool. I have a bigger vision of where I want to take amateur porn/live TV broadcast. As for AVN, making it great for Internet webmasters/amateurs it will take a month of Sundays for it to happen. AVN is big business and big money. The porn industry starlets will never go away. Joe blow from Nebraska has fantasied about it for 5 years and he is there. I will say that the energy of AVN sucks. Ask some of my amateur housewife girlfriend what they think. I said it! Organizing a "Amateur AVN Show" like AVN would be great like LA Adult Con. Some of my amateur friends are getting attention from the UK/Ireland for their work on TV. Europe is very open minded. And, amateur porn is taking over whether the porn industry likes it or not. Amateur porn is real and fresh. It has personality and pazazz! I know what ABC Niteline thinks of amateur porn, it is da BOMB! Ya baby.
HUM? How about a amateur/webmaster section at AVN? But AVN will charge us a lot for it. How about a lot of amateurs going under one name and contributing to the booth. Call it "Porn with Pazazz" come meet the girl/babe/housewife next door. I'm brain storming right now. Any ideas? So then all the web masters and the models can get in under one company name for a small amount. Date changes for AVN, another issue. Ya, having it in September or October would be better. Why January??? It is slow for Las Vegas??? After Xmas? The CES show?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Far-L

I am looking forward to this.

I have a question... How many people, besides those who have stated here otherwise, have actually talked directly to AVN about their issues and not just griped on a board about them?

AVNOnline Management is QUITE aware of my position. I have also relayed that 99.9% of ALL opinions I've read on the various boards are very much along the lines of my opinion.

We have publicly stated that we are boycotting this year in Vegas because of the stupidity of scheduling.

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

AVNOnline Management is QUITE aware of my position. I have also relayed that 99.9% of ALL opinions I've read on the various boards are very much along the lines of my opinion.

We have publicly stated that we are boycotting this year in Vegas because of the stupidity of scheduling.

Great - less competition for fellow media whores like me!

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Far-L

Great - less competition for fellow media whores like me!

:-)

Far-L I'll never be as big a whore as you man...
Only man I know that can "entertain visitors," shoot content for the live stream, Get Blown by a cute chic, be interviewed by a british babe for MSNBC, and at the same time, maintain his erection and control his ejaculation time.

You'll always be my hero!

[AVNFarley]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

AVNOnline Management is QUITE aware of my position. I have also relayed that 99.9% of ALL opinions I've read on the various boards are very much along the lines of my opinion.

We have publicly stated that we are boycotting this year in Vegas because of the stupidity of scheduling.

I'd like to be personally made aware of your position. Please contact me if you'd like to discuss.
Thanks
Farley

farley@avn.com
AIM AVNFarley
818-718-5788

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by AVNFarley

I'd like to be personally made aware of your position. Please contact me if you'd like to discuss.
Thanks
Farley

farley@avn.com
AIM AVNFarley
818-718-5788

I'll be happy to forward my conversations with Kat (With her permission of course)

[Chop Smith]

For some reason, folks are bad about wanting to visit me on Tuesday nights at 7PM. I'll shoot the sob that interrupts me tonight.

Good luck Greenguy and Jim with the interview. It is kind of Far-l and the AVN guy to take the time to visit with ya'll.

[emmanuelle]

I think that a large number of the issues could be resolved by AVN responding to emails and phone calls when we do attempt to reach out for solutions.

Even well liked people like Aly took regular bashings as a result

Unfortunately this comes with the territory when one chooses to represent a company. I'm pretty sure that she knew of people's discontent before accepting the position and responsibility.

[RawAlex]

Far-L, I spent a fair bit of time with Aly at the last two conventions. At the end of the day, some of the things we talked about got resolved (like shipping badges head of time), but in the end, I came to understand that very little will change inside AVN without financial motive. That financial motive is not there at this point.

Alex

[Greenguy]

Trip for 2 to Vegas from Jan 4-8 (let's face it, most people travel with someone)

Airfare from Buffalo (good because it is far) direct flight on Southwest (cheap) arrive 1/4 & depart 1/8 - $490.00 (booked in September)

Hotel -
Cheapest room at The Venetian for 4 nights - $1116.00
Flamingo - $676.00 (but then throw in the time to walk to The Venetian or the money to take a cab there at least 4 times, but in all probability, 8 times)

Expo Passes - $340 (low end) to $650 (for everything)

Food? $100/day for 2 people is probably not that far fetched. So now your at $2000 to $2750 (give or take) before JoeBlow Webmaster leaves the house.

I'm gonna try to word this part so that I don't come off as some sort of rich asshole I know how much I make & I pretty much know how much people around me in my personal life make & when it comes to money, there's a factor of 10 involved. ($200 to me is $20 to them kinda thing) If you put that personal theory of mine into this equation so that I can grasp what it means to Joe Blow Webmasters, I'd have to actually consider spending $20,000-27,500 for 4 days in Vegas.

I make a good living, but that's fucking insane.

I'm really hoping that makes sense to some people

[Greenguy]

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[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

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I was unable to listen live. Is the show available for download and listen?

[Toby]

Wouldn't Internext be of more value to the sponsors and exhibitors if more "trench WM's", to borrow Linkster's term, were able to attend?

I saved all year to be able to go to Miami in August and I shared a room to cut that cost in half. The cost makes going to Vegas out of the question. I don't care about attending AEE or CES, and I'll wager most other "trench WM's" don't either.

I guess the bottom line is whether or not AVN wants Internext to remain to be a show for webmasters. If so, changes need to be made to control the costs at both shows. The first step is getting someone on staff, or as a consultant, that has been a webmaster, or "traffic guy", as Farley called us.

Given the current status quo, I don't think I'll be attending another Internext.

Just my 2¢ worth.

[Greenguy]

emmanuelle - I'm sure he meant "board surfers"

EmporerEJ - all the archives from our shows are posted here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/radio.html

docholly - sorry for misquoting you - I thought I read 22 someplace

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Greenguy

docholly - sorry for misquoting you - I thought I read 22 someplace

GG you didn't.. i probably thought i did ..but i am anal *that's about the only place i'm anal*.. and had to go look.. lmao..

[EmporerEJ]

[quote=Greenguy]
EmporerEJ - all the archives from our shows are posted here:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/radio.html
QUOTE]

OUTSTANDING!
I shall now be a "regular" listener, since I can download this to my personal listening device and avoid some more of "real life" by listening instead!

There's enough listening in there to last me quite sometime

[Jim]

Webmasters truly are the Red Headed Stepchildren of AVN. As Farly said last night, they make their money from the Video part of the business and the magazine.

Far-l, I understand why you would defend AVN. I'm sure they help your business out quite a bit with the Video end. But, they really don't do anything for the average webmasters. Farly said that the magazine was what they gave back. But, come on, if that is all AVN gives back, that is kind of lame.

As I said, with Farly being here, we have a start. But AVN needs to know who the webmasters are.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Jim

Webmasters truly are the Red Headed Stepchildren of AVN. As Farly said last night, they make their money from the Video part of the business and the magazine.

Far-l, I understand why you would defend AVN. I'm sure they help your business out quite a bit with the Video end. But, they really don't do anything for the average webmasters. Farly said that the magazine was what they gave back. But, come on, if that is all AVN gives back, that is kind of lame.

As I said, with Farly being here, we have a start. But AVN needs to know who the webmasters are.

Jim-
I'm concerned that something is getting missed here in this conversation. There is a very clear distinction between "AVN" and "AVNOnline" in my mind.

Sure they are all part of Teddy Communications, and yes, they are the same company. But within the company, it's always been my impression that AVN was the top banana, and AVNOnline is the bastard child. (MY personal exposure impression.)
webmasters, being the "offspring" as it were, of AVNOnline, are regarded by "corporate management" as just that.
This may be a result of how AVNOnline came into existence. Many newbies here will not remember that AVNOnline magazine was a "Purchased Publication" by AVN. AVN, being the original magazine founded right here in the Commonwealth of PA by a video store owner.

They have separate personnel, editing staff etc. And while I may be biased, I've always felt AVNOnline was a MUCH better magazine. Better writers, better editing, nicer people, and all around much more "on the ball." (No pun intended)


But this show schedule was just a really stupid idea all around and the person that said it would be a good idea should be taken out back and beaten severely.

[Jim]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Jim-
I'm concerned that something is getting missed here in this conversation. There is a very clear distinction between "AVN" and "AVNOnline" in my mind.

Sure they are all part of Teddy Communications, and yes, they are the same company. But within the company, it's always been my impression that AVN was the top banana, and AVNOnline is the bastard child. (MY personal exposure impression.)
webmasters, being the "offspring" as it were, of AVNOnline, are regarded by "corporate management" as just that.
This may be a result of how AVNOnline came into existence. Many newbies here will not remember that AVNOnline magazine was a "Purchased Publication" by AVN. AVN, being the original magazine founded right here in the Commonwealth of PA by a video store owner.

They have separate personnel, editing staff etc. And while I may be biased, I've always felt AVNOnline was a MUCH better magazine. Better writers, better editing, nicer people, and all around much more "on the ball." (No pun intended)


But this show schedule was just a really stupid idea all around and the person that said it would be a good idea should be taken out back and beaten severely.

So tell me, which do you find more informative as a magazine for webmasters? AVNOnline, Xbiz World or Klixxx?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Jim

So tell me, which do you find more informative as a magazine for webmasters? AVNOnline, Xbiz World or Klixxx?

Hmmmm...hard to say.
I think it's more of a bit here, bit there?
They each have great contributions, and I read them all religiously.

[RawAlex]

I also want to add this:

Reduced rate badges based on the type of site you run or the amount of yourself you put on the net seems a little bit weird to me. Is my reward for keeping my clothes on (a good thing, trust me) to pay double what other people pay for the same thing?

Is this a question of Homegrown paying the other half, or is AVN giving away deals?

Is there any sane reason why badges are so expensive?

Alex

[Jim]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Is there any sane reason why badges are so expensive?

Alex

The answer is simple math. They have to make a certain amount at each show. As fewer and fewer webmasters and sponsors show up, prices go up. If the attendance keeps going the direction that it is going, badges will be a grand in a few years